Where Are Intel's Desktop Broadwell CPUs?

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It makes sense. Intel did have problems smoothing out the 14nm process which is why broadwell and skylake were so delayed to begin with, leaving haswell refresh and devil's canyon as gap fillers in the meantime. Intel said a good while back they wanted to skip broadwell all together and was only going ahead with the desktop cpu's because people complained they wanted them. Why I'm not sure, aside from the smaller process and slightly better igpu, broadwell has/had no major performance gains.

It's just my opinion, but that's every 'tick' cycle. You have a tock cycle like sandy bridge with performance improvements followed by ivy which offered little to nothing over sandy bridge other than it was the newest chip for those who upgraded after sandy bridge came out. It certainly wasn't any type of 'upgrade' for sandy owners and the next chips following would use a different socket anyway. Same with haswell and broadwell, very few if any will put out money for a side grade from haswell to broadwell and those are the only two compatible with lga 1150. The next performance increase (even if it's the roughly 10% seen with most generation upgrades) is skylake, again on a new socket.

There's no point in upgrading 1 generation (2nd to 3rd, 4th to 5th) just to retain the same motherboard. Intel knew aside from the mobile market which would benefit from lower power consumption and improved igpu's, broadwell would be a fizzle on the desktop and it's no wonder they're dragging their feet. Broadwell was dubious at best to begin with and that's if it had released on time. Given the delay, may as well forget it and move on to skylake. It's not as if anyone is going to suffer the loss of broadwell other than to say they have a 'newer gen' cpu, it's a typical 'tick' cycle.

Lowered frequency, improved efficiency on a smaller die making the performance equal to the generation before it. Being on the same socket/platform as 4th gen haswell/d.c. it brings literally nothing to the table anyway. I think it pretty much embraces what the author said - "And who will care?"

Even with the relatively major changes with skylake, ddr4, increased pcie lanes (upped by a whole 4 lanes), thunderbolt etc (significant compared to previous ddr3 based platforms like 1155/1150) there's not a whole lot compelling people with 3rd and 4th gen cpu's to run right out and upgrade. More or less for those running 2nd gen or older who held out for the couple of additional perks 1151 brings with it. Broadwell is a one horse town hardly worth plotting on the map and I don't think it will make a bit of difference if it ever surfaces or not.
 
I7-6700K still is not available in the US.
I5-6400 is slated for an October 8th arrival one place I saw.
i5-6600K has been pretty much in stock at Amazon for about 6 weeks.

But Intel is clearly still having problems with larger chips, and we are not yet even seeing the smaller I3 and other Skylake CPU's.
 
I7-6700K still is not available in the US.
I5-6400 is slated for an October 8th arrival one place I saw.
i5-6600K has been pretty much in stock at Amazon for about 6 weeks.

But Intel is clearly still having problems with larger chips, and we are not yet even seeing the smaller I3 and other Skylake CPU's.
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http://www.microcenter.com/product/451883/Core_i7-6700K_40GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/451885/Core_i5-6600K_35GHz_1151_Boxed_Processor

mark be nimble, mark be quick, mark tripped and that's why he did not get the 6700K

i will be putting it into a system tomorrow after buying it labor day to try it out.
ASUS Z170 Maximus VIII LGA 1151 mATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.microcenter.com/product/452549/Z170_Maximus_VIII_LGA_1151_mATX_Intel_Motherboard
 
Intel seems to be trying to save money, it seems. Rather than throw money at process shrinks and keeping up with Moore's law, they seem to be in a bit of a panic with their mobile CPU fail. In traditional Intel fashion they're dumping money into mobile, giving away product, but it's a deep hole they've found themselves in.
 


Well, it is expected to a point. These fabs cost billions of dollars to build, and the companies and companies like Intel are inventing the technology that makes a new fab possible when they upgrade. 22nm seemingly came out without a problem, but older fabs have proven more difficult to develop. So there are a few reasons why it is taking Intel a while to get all the bugs worked out, and if they do have it working fine now, they can't really build a new fab to help with it. They have the billions of dollars to throw at the problem, but it takes a few years to build, and by the time it is finished we will be at 7nm or something similar.
 
Just wait for Skylake desktop chips, skip Broadwell all together?
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I wish it was that simple.
If youre a pure gamer I would recommend an i7-5775C over an i7-6700k any time, because that eDRAM helps quite a lot and makes the Broadwell faster in games, even though it has 500 MHz less. Yes, even with discrete graphics.

But the best thing of course would be a Skylake with eDRAM, replacing the i7-5775C. But there isnt one and last I heard they are not planning to release one.

If the i7-5775C was OC-able better than it is (youre lucky to reach 4.2 GHz), I would buy one now for sure.
 
Just wait for Skylake desktop chips, skip Broadwell all together?
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I wish it was that simple.
If youre a pure gamer I would recommend an i7-5775C over an i7-6700k any time, because that eDRAM helps quite a lot and makes the Broadwell faster in games, even though it has 500 MHz less. Yes, even with discrete graphics.

But the best thing of course would be a Skylake with eDRAM, replacing the i7-5775C. But there isnt one and last I heard they are not planning to release one.

If the i7-5775C was OC-able better than it is (youre lucky to reach 4.2 GHz), I would buy one now for sure.
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I honestly don't think there's that big of a difference between these when it comes to gaming.
 

Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz LGA 1151 Boxed Processor
AVAILABLE FOR IN-STORE PICKUP ONLY.

IN-STORE ONLY
LIMIT 1 PER HOUSEHOLD

I live in Wisconsin. Closest Micro Center to me is Columbus, OH.
 

"Moore's law" is not a law, merely an observation that turned out to remain relatively true for the first 30 or so years of microchip manufacturing, before quantum mechanics and other atomic-scale effects started making smaller processes more complicated.

Bash Intel all you want, but do keep in mind that Intel was the first manufacturer to mass-produce 14nm chips. They will probably be the first to mass-produce at 10nm and I would not be surprised if they ended up being the first at 7nm despite IBM being the first with a proof-of-concept chip at 7nm..
 


Well, it doesnt really matter what you believe. Tests show a noticeable difference with L4 cache in games which rely on CPU power a lot (which will also quickly become much more relevant because of 8 core consoles and DX12).
Theres a huge difference if 128MB of L4 can compensate a lack of 500 MHz and actually be faster in some cases.
 

"Moore's law" is not a law, merely an observation that turned out to remain relatively true for the first 30 or so years of microchip manufacturing, before quantum mechanics and other atomic-scale effects started making smaller processes more complicated.

Bash Intel all you want, but do keep in mind that Intel was the first manufacturer to mass-produce 14nm chips. They will probably be the first to mass-produce at 10nm and I would not be surprised if they ended up being the first at 7nm despite IBM being the first with a proof-of-concept chip at 7nm..
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As you say Moore's law is an observation, not a law. And as Moore himself described it in its original paper, it's an economic observation. Moore's law is driven by economics. For the last 30 years or so Intel has enjoyed a monopoly in the dominant computing market and has been able to lead the process race thanks to its deep pockets, but in recent years money has gone somewhere else. Apple has way deeper pockets than Intel, and Qualcomm has profits that are not shy of those of intel. Those companies are throwing money to TSMC and Samsung (the only serious competitors Intel has in the process race). In recent years Intel has been reducing it's CAPEX, while both Samsung and TSMC have been increasing it, surpassing Intel expenditure. So I seriously doubt that Intel will be first to 10 nm.
Here are some hints:
Intel's 10nm Cannonlake Chips Won't Arrive Until Second Half Of 2017
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-broadwell-still-coming,30061.html
TSMC Launching 10nm FinFET Process In 2016, 7nm In 2017
http://wccftech.com/tsmc-promises-10nm-production-2016-7nm-2017/
Samsung Will Start 10nm FinFET Production in 2016
http://news.softpedia.com/news/samsung-will-start-10nm-finfet-production-in-2016-487705.shtml
 
Strange you should write that few users were able to get Skylake, I personally had no trouble getting it and all stores in the area had them in stock. Then again, it might be because they are manufactured in Israel where I live. Still, usually when there is such a shortage prices go up, but I haven't seen this with Skylake either.
 


Prices have been up from the start. MSRP of the i7-6700k is $350 and they are as high as $500. Same in Europe.
And they really are hard to get. Not only in the USA, but also in Europe. Forums are actually starving of information and tests, because so few people are able to get one. Last generation and the others before that were never this bad. Forums were flooded with people who got a new CPU and shared their experiences with it, wanted it delidded, etc. Now? Crickets is all you can hear. Even development of mainboard firmware versions is much slower than usual, simply because so few people are able to report bugs.
Good for you that you live at the distribution center, but 99.9% of the rest of the world isnt you.
 
I still have sandy bridge, works great. Now I don't know if I want to replace my xfire radeon hd 6850 and my 8gb of kingston 1333 ram. HMMMM
 


If I was you, I'd probably just leave the RAM alone, or overclock it a little to 1600 MHz, a lot of DDR3 I have encountered which is made to be 1333 MHz ends up running at 1600 MHz with ease. DDR3 is really cheap right now, and you may not be planning to buy a Skylake system, but whenever you do upgrade to a new system next you will definitely end up buying new RAM. For the mind set of re-using parts, which is something I always think about when buying, I just wouldn't bother.

You might go for a new GPU though.That is easy to pass on to a new system. Chances are if you upgrade in the next 2 or 3 years then a GTX 970 or similar will still have life and will reduce your future upgrade costs a bit. Plus, if you still have your Radeon 6850 at that time, you can put it back in this Sandy Bridge system as a solid backup system for yourself or a visiting friend.
 
Call me crazy but judging by the size of the graphics processor in the picture above compared to the cores it would have been much better in my book to skip the graphics and add more cores there for those who are going to be using the chip for a gaming machine.
 
Checking just now, I was shocked to find the 6700K here in the UK for 329 UKP from one of the normal sources. That kind of price is just crazy. So glad I bought a used SB-E for my most recent build back in May, a 3930K was only 225, much better value; used R4E only 113.
 
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