Where is crossfire? and the R520?

[Gamer_369]

Heh

Sorry, but for me to determine a product is flat out better than another, I rely on a more accurate testing. And Anandteck even stated:

After getting the driver issues squared away, we got down to testing. Our first disappointment came along when we realized that the CrossFire AA modes were not quite finished. Enabling these modes drops performance much more than what we would expect and looks like the frames that each GPU renders are out of sync with the other card. We can't be totally sure what's going on here, but it's clear that there still needs to be some work done. When a final solution is released, we will be doing a much more in-depth performance and image quality analysis of the hardware, but at this point, we just want to get a solid idea about what to expect.

That was quoted straight from Anandtech's review.

And in your statement, you simply stated the Crossfire is better than SLI. For a product that's not even released yet, there's more that will influence it's greatness opposed to the benchmarks done on Anandtech. (Like how the features will actually perform.)

And even in those benchmarks, a 6800 Ultra SLI competed quite closely with the x850, except in two of 5 games, where yes, crossfire did seem to flourish. But not enough to make me go crazy over it.

Also, all of the benchmarks were done in 1600 x 1200 resolution. Honestly, to really see the full benefits of a multi-gpu product, using a resolution higher than 1600 x 1200 would be more ideal.

So if you were able to determine that Crossfire has flat out beat SLI in those simple hardware benchmarks Anand did for us, then yay, you won't have trouble deciding which product to go with.

But for those of us who want a more accurate way to determine what we should buy, then I think actually waiting until Crossfire comes to release, or is atleast finished, is the most ideal way to approach it.

Ok, compare me to a slinky because you have nothing else conductive to say, but I won't slink (lol, no pun intented) to that level.



<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Gamer_369 on 07/29/05 11:28 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Action_Man]

Ok so it provides better performance but when the AA modes are enabled they had issues and that makes it worse then SLI? Driver updates? Nvidia did them for SLI so I'd imagine ATI would do it for crossfire.

And in your statement, you simply stated the Crossfire is better than SLI.

No I didn't.

So if you were able to determine that Crossfire has flat out beat SLI in those simple hardware benchmarks Anand did for us, then yay, you won't have trouble deciding which product to go with.

Again with the assumptions. I'd never buy either, twice as much money and I don't get twice as much performance(I know that can't happen), [-peep-] that.

But for those of us who want a more accurate way to determine what we should buy, then I think actually waiting until Crossfire comes to release, or is atleast finished, is the most ideal way to approach it.

Finally a good idea.

Ok, compare me to a slinky because you have nothing else conductive to say, but I won't slink (lol, no pun intented) to that level.

More assumptions, its my sig.

Some people are like slinkies....
Not really good for anything but you cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

 

[Gamer_369]

Heh ^_^;

I guess I should have quoted your actual statements, being as it seems you've deleted them from this thread. So I guess by that, you acknowledge everything I mentioned in my previous statements, but didn't want to look bad to your fellow community members. I mean, I totally understand where your coming from, though...I too would be worried at the thought of my e-penis shrinking here on the forums.

I guess just take everything I said, and instead of being directed to you, simply take it in general, as it will still apply.

And even if it is your sig, it's still posted, and emits the impression that it was being personalized towards me. Either way, it has to effect whatsoever, so no big deal. ^_^


Meh, I'm done with this thread...

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Gamer_369 on 07/29/05 06:54 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Action_Man]

I guess I should have quoted your actual statements, being as it seems you've deleted them from this thread.

I haven't deleted anything, sure I rewrote what I was originally going to say a million times (without posting it) but I never deleted anything.

So I guess by that, you acknowledge everything I mentioned in my previous statements as true. I mean, I totally understand where your coming from, though...I too would be worried at the thought of my e-penis shrinking here on the forums.

Nice you've completely ignored what I've said and opted for the very very poor attacks on me.

And even if it is your sig, it's still posted, and emits the impression that it was being personalized towards me.

Err its a joke, its not aimed towards anyone, its just supposed to make people laugh and make people who have fallen down stair feel completely worthless, nah.

Some people are like slinkies....
Not really good for anything but you cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

No point in arguing with him, he gets his info from Anandtech.
LOL! :lol:

Probably included the info about SLi adding 16xAF, and SLi being the only multi-gpu product (which it still isn't, and furthermore it's still only dual GPU even).

Love the explanation of how nice load-balancing was considering it's limited use are often 0/100 balancing. In that case I'm sure most people would prefer 50/50.

Anywhoo, my favourite part is him complaining about your edits, while he himself edited out his second re-statement of SLi being unique and edited in a change from saying what's wrong with that to some lame comment about AA+AF, of course we still have the first of each which bring a smile to my face.

But remember he likes more solid reviews like Anand, because presumption isn't his style, oh wait that's right it is.



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[knownalien]

I am confused. I have read up some on Crossfire here and at ATI's web site. However, I ran across this card at Newegg and now I am confused:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102555

It is an AGP card and says "Crossfire Ready" at the very bottom. Now, I was under the impression that the graphics card had to be PCI-e that is to be used with a Crossfire card. ATI's site seems to suggest that, but Newegg has either mistakenly written "Crossfire Ready" or something else.

Now this leads to my next question: what slot is the Crossfire card itself to use?? A PCI slot? A PCI-e X4 or X1 slot?? Some other proprietary slot?

I see that Dell's gaming maching is using TWO PCI-e X16 slots with full bandwidth each as opposed to taking one PCI-e X16 slot and splitting it into two.



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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

It is an AGP card and says "Crossfire Ready" at the very bottom.

HMmm, I think that's a Typo, but it is possible to use Crossfire with AGP as was demonstrated by the <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=440565#440565" target="_new">ULi board tests</A>, and the old array solutions were also AGP and PCI.

I think it's a typo, but technically it could be 'Crossfire ready', just not for the average user.

Now this leads to my next question: what slot is the Crossfire card itself to use??

Two PCIe-16X Slots running at 8x each (not that there's much difference yet).


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[RichPLS]

It is Crossfire ready, just as soon as the mobo get dual AGP slots ready.


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

You CAN crossfire PCIe + AGP.



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[knownalien]

i think it's safe to say no one is going to make a board with crossfire and and AGP slot! Am I missing something?

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[Guest]

Ummm ULI is already doing it!

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2489" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2489</A>

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[knownalien]

will they do that with a socket 754??

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[Guest]

I dont know, I rather doubt it, even if it would'nt be so hard. Reason is people tend to want to upgrade their CPU/mobo/etc but keep their AGP card. I dont see many people who wants to upgrade to PCIe but to keep their Semptron/s754 CPU.
I guess they could easily do it if their is enough demand...just have'nt heard of it.

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[knownalien]

well, I think that my processor is pretty fast. In my opinion it would seem that my video card is the bottleneck. Even in graphic intensive games like Half-Life 2.

So, I could keep my processor and invest in a AGP card now which could be used later too. I can grab the card above from newegg for below $400!! Already with the upgrade we are talking about with Crossfire I will have to buy another board AND the Crossfire card. In your scenario I would have to buy a graphics card, crossfire card, 939 CPU, and motherboard. I am just trying to save money now. I mean, I THINK AMD has said no dual cores for socket 754 but I could be wrong (you need the apps optimized for that anyway and hardly anyone has even migrated from 32 to 64 bit!). So far the only difference I can really acsertain between 754 and 939 is the dual channel memory. The clock speeds are nearly the same at the moment. But everyone knows that AMD is going to phase 754 out, so all of the new technologies seem to be for the 939. Still, am I wrong in thinking that my CPU can still handle current games rather well?? I mean esp. with these graphics technologies coming which actually borrow from the physical RAM on the MOBO as opposed to graphics aperture sizes etc.

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[knownalien]

i guess my point is, if I am going to have to get a new video card, then why not just get a pci-e one and forgoe the AGP slot all together?

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[pauldh]

Only reason a PCI-e would be better is the 7800GTX (no AGP version). Otherwise, with a few exceptions the better price will be in the AGP version, never mind adding the new PCI-e mobo. IMO, One more AGP card would be the best option for you. How about the X800XTpe refurb for $230 from ATI's site?


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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

But PCIe is cooler, it's Newer! I mean C'mon! :tongue:

Kickin' it old school with the ISA slot!



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[knownalien]

it looks nice. but too bad they don't have a refurbished x850.

like this baby :drool

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102555

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[pauldh]

The X800XT platinum edition <A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0405/itogi-video-fc1-wxp-aaa-1600-agp.html" target="_new">beats out the X850XT</A> (non-platinum).

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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 08/08/05 06:43 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[pauldh]

lol, but then he already gave up the "cool" factor by going S754. :tongue:


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[RichPLS]

I've got the X800XT-PE [/does snoopy dance!]

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