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Hi guys.

Sorry for opening a topic again. I dont really know about building a gaming pc since its my first time.

My specs are going to be:

Ryzen 2600
2x8gb corsair vengeace lpx
B450 carbon pro ac
Sapphire pulse radeon RX vega 56

Now the question is the vega 56 i heared it consumes more power and can produce more heat.

So will i need a water cooler or just air cooler? If water cooler which case should i get and is easy to build? Thanks.
 
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You should be okay with just air cooling in my opinion. Vega's do run hot, but to put it into perspective, I have a Ryzen 7 2700 CPU with a Vega 64 Airboost GPU on the ASUS Prime x-470 Pro MB. I have 16GB DDR4 G.Skill, but for cooling all I have is two 140mm Corsair Magnetic Levitation fans for the intake, and two 120mm fans for exhaust. I have a Wraith CPU cooler and my case is positive pressure so no dust gets in it. My temps are usually around 69degC under full load. You should have no problem keeping it cold with air, as long as you have a case with good air flow and some after market fans that can move some air. Also, make sure you have a decent Power Supply. I fried my 650W one the first month with my build so I upped it to 850W lol
 
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spencer.cleaves2 said:
You should be okay with just air cooling in my opinion. Vega's do run hot, but to put it into perspective, I have a Ryzen 7 2700 CPU with a Vega 64 Airboost GPU on the ASUS Prime x-470 Pro MB. I have 16GB DDR4 G.Skill, but for cooling all I have is two 140mm Corsair Magnetic Levitation fans for the intake, and two 120mm fans for exhaust. I have a Wraith CPU cooler and my case is positive pressure so no dust gets in it. My temps are usually around 69degC under full load. You should have no problem keeping it cold with air, as long as you have a case with good air flow and some after market fans that can move some air. Also, make sure you have a decent Power Supply. I fried my 650W one the first month with my build so I upped it to 850W lol
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What do you exactly mean with the intake and exhaust are there 2 different air cooler? And are the 120mm and 140mm air cooler just size? And can you suggest a good air flowing case and air coolers please a cheap one and good. Sorry for being noobish.
 
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So the intake fans are generally at the front of your case, and they would be the fans that suck cold air into the case. The exhaust fans are generally on the top back panel and ceiling panel in your case and they push hot air out of the case (you want your exhaust fans to be mounted as high up in the case as possible because hot air rises). To make your case positive presser to help with dust, all you need to do is make sure your intake fans are sucking in more air than what your exhaust fans push out. Basically, I have to big 140mm Corsair fans in the front intake fans because they move a lot of air, then two 120mm for the exhaust. Air cooling is very effective and a lot safer than liquid if you know what you're doing.
 
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spencer.cleaves2 said:
So the intake fans are generally at the front of your case, and they would be the fans that suck cold air into the case. The exhaust fans are generally on the top back panel and ceiling panel in your case and they push hot air out of the case (you want your exhaust fans to be mounted as high up in the case as possible because hot air rises). To make your case positive presser to help with dust, all you need to do is make sure your intake fans are sucking in more air than what your exhaust fans push out. Basically, I have to big 140mm Corsair fans in the front intake fans because they move a lot of air, then two 120mm for the exhaust. Air cooling is very effective and a lot safer than liquid if you know what you're doing.
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Thanks for your great info! So i assume the air coolers are just same but you got one 140mm as an intake air cooler. I think it can be difference in other cases? Looked for NZXT H500 as it has fan on front panel. What are your tought?
 
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So the H500 is an excellent all purpose ATX case. I think it comes with two 120mm fans included in it as far as what I can see on Newegg. So I would just suggest doing the same thing i did. Buy H500, one of the included fans is already mounted in the main exhaust spot, the other included fan is probably mounted in the front. So if you get that case, take the included fan from the front and move it to the top exhaust mount on the ceiling of the case. Then pick up two 140mm fans and mount them in the front. The 140mm fans will push lots of air (worth investing a little bit in these two fans). I have 140mm Corsair Magnetic Levitation Fans just in case you want reference on what I use.
 
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Also if you want my recommendation for a good budget case that has great airflow and lots of room, I would say the Corsair Carbide 270R. It is cheaper than the H500 but will give you identical thermals. It doesnt look as fancy as the H500 but it is probably the best budget you can buy in my opinion. It would end up saving you like 25$ that you could use to invest in 140mm fans. Just a suggestion, I'm not sure what your budget is like.
 
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There's 5 different fans in a normal pc.
  1. Intake fans are just fans that suck in outsideair (usually in front).
  2. Exhaust fans are just fans that blow out the hot internal pc air (which is replaced by cooler outside air from the Intakes).
  3. Psu fan. It's all on its own, has absolutely nothing to do with anything else, just the psu.
  4. Gpu fan(s). The only thing they worry about is keeping the gpu cool under use.
  5. Cpu cooler. If using an air cooler heatsink, that's the fan attached to the middle of the motherboard. Sole purpose is keeping the cpu cool. If using liquid cooling, the pump goes on the cpu and the fans go on the radiator attached by tubing to the pump. The radiator then is placed as a replacement for either an intake fan or exhaust fan. Unless you are doing a full custom water cooling loop, the cpu is not attached to any thing else, almost all liquid coolers are called 'All-in-One' or Closed Loop Cooler (AIO or CLC).
So realistically, you only have 2 coolers, one is built into the gpu and has no bearing on anything else, the other is the cpu cooler which you can decide for yourself what goes there. Everything else is just a fan that helps move cool air in and hot air out of your pc case.

Best budget case is the Fractal Design Focus-G, but like most cases only comes with a few fans. To optimize airflow you may need to purchase a couple more fans, or if using liquid cooling, those fans are good as is.
 
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spencer.cleaves2 said:
Also if you want my recommendation for a good budget case that has great airflow and lots of room, I would say the Corsair Carbide 270R. It is cheaper than the H500 but will give you identical thermals. It doesnt look as fancy as the H500 but it is probably the best budget you can buy in my opinion. It would end up saving you like 25$ that you could use to invest in 140mm fans. Just a suggestion, I'm not sure what your budget is like.
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Thanks for your respond. I dont really care about the look of the case just want to have a good air flow. Ill look for the one case you suggested. Does the case with already installed fan just work good as the corsair you has? And should it be 1x 140mm fan for front and 2x 120mm for exhaust? Thanks.
 
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Karadjgne said:
There's 5 different fans in a normal pc.
  1. Intake fans are just fans that suck in outsideair (usually in front).
  2. Exhaust fans are just fans that blow out the hot internal pc air (which is replaced by cooler outside air from the Intakes).
  3. Psu fan. It's all on its own, has absolutely nothing to do with anything else, just the psu.
  4. Gpu fan(s). The only thing they worry about is keeping the gpu cool under use.
  5. Cpu cooler. If using an air cooler heatsink, that's the fan attached to the middle of the motherboard. Sole purpose is keeping the cpu cool. If using liquid cooling, the pump goes on the cpu and the fans go on the radiator attached by tubing to the pump. The radiator then is placed as a replacement for either an intake fan or exhaust fan. Unless you are doing a full custom water cooling loop, the cpu is not attached to any thing else, almost all liquid coolers are called 'All-in-One' or Closed Loop Cooler (AIO or CLC).
So realistically, you only have 2 coolers, one is built into the gpu and has no bearing on anything else, the other is the cpu cooler which you can decide for yourself what goes there. Everything else is just a fan that helps move cool air in and hot air out of your pc case.

Best budget case is the Fractal Design Focus-G, but like most cases only comes with a few fans. To optimize airflow you may need to purchase a couple more fans, or if using liquid cooling, those fans are good as is.
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Awesome info! So far as i understand is the cooler for cpu and gpu are atached so it really depends on which gpu you will get. As example im looking for sapphire rx vega 56 that has 2 coolers on it. And he intake and exhaust fan are just same cooler i guess but from different place so front and top/ceiling right? Thanks again for your great info!
 
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Well the two fans that come with cases are usually cheaper 120mm fans, but they work good enough to make them exhaust fans. Then just get 2 140mm fans and put them in the front of your case (mount them as low to the floor as possible because cold air sits lower to the floor). That should give you sufficient air flow for your build. Also Karadjgne recommended a pretty solid budget case as well. It would be comparable to the one I recommended. Just to summarize: 2 120m fans for the exhaust, two 140mm for the front intake, make sure you have a good CPU cooler (the one that comes with the 2600 should be good for it). The CPU fan will come with your processor since youre buying an AMD, but you will have to install it yourself (its very straight forward and easy). The GPU has its own cooling so you dont have to worry about that.
 
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spencer.cleaves2 said:
Well the two fans that come with cases are usually cheaper 120mm fans, but they work good enough to make them exhaust fans. Then just get 2 140mm fans and put them in the front of your case (mount them as low to the floor as possible because cold air sits lower to the floor). That should give you sufficient air flow for your build. Also Karadjgne recommended a pretty solid budget case as well. It would be comparable to the one I recommended. Just to summarize: 2 120m fans for the exhaust, two 140mm for the front intake, make sure you have a good CPU cooler (the one that comes with the 2600 should be good for it). The CPU fan will come with your processor since youre buying an AMD, but you will have to install it yourself (its very straight forward and easy). The GPU has its own cooling so you dont have to worry about that.
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Thanks for your fast respond! Also should the case you suggested have enough room for 2 140mm on front? Then ill first get the case after that ill look which fans are already installed and then will get the remaining fans right? Thank you.
 
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Yes so all the cases that have been talked about (Carbide 270R, H500, and Focus G) all support either x3 120mm fans in the front or x2 140mm fans in the front. I would recommend just looking at the specs on the case before you buy it and it should tell you how many fans it comes with (usually 2 120mm). Once you figure that out, just throw some 140mm fans in your cart. There would be no need to wait for your case to come in before you buy the extra fans, all the fans mount pretty much the same so there should be no issue with compatibility. Also, yes, Intake fans are the same units. It is just the placement of the fans and whether or not they are pushing and pulling. So you can use an intake fan as an exhaust, you just need to flip it around so it pushes air out instead of in.
 
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This is a pretty typical airflow pattern. Intakes are blue, pulling in cold air. Exhaust is red, pushing hot air out. As you play a game, 2 things get hot. The cpu and gpu. So you need fans to provide airflow, cold air in, hot air out. Coolers are not fans, fans are not coolers. Coolers are big chunks of metal with fans attached. The Vega has a big chunk of aluminium inside the plastic lid, the 2x fans move air in/out to keep that heatsink cool. Cpu cooler works the same way. The case fans supply the cooler fans with cold air, the exhaust fans take away the hot air. Without airflow your pc would become an oven with the door closed.
 
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Karadjgne said:


This is a pretty typical airflow pattern. Intakes are blue, pulling in cold air. Exhaust is red, pushing hot air out. As you play a game, 2 things get hot. The cpu and gpu. So you need fans to provide airflow, cold air in, hot air out. Coolers are not fans, fans are not coolers. Coolers are big chunks of metal with fans attached. The Vega has a big chunk of aluminium inside the plastic lid, the 2x fans move air in/out to keep that heatsink cool. Cpu cooler works the same way. The case fans supply the cooler fans with cold air, the exhaust fans take away the hot air. Without airflow your pc would become an oven with the door closed.
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This pic pretty much sums up what we were explaining perfectly.
 
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spencer.cleaves2 said:
Yes so all the cases that have been talked about (Carbide 270R, H500, and Focus G) all support either x3 120mm fans in the front or x2 140mm fans in the front. I would recommend just looking at the specs on the case before you buy it and it should tell you how many fans it comes with (usually 2 120mm). Once you figure that out, just throw some 140mm fans in your cart. There would be no need to wait for your case to come in before you buy the extra fans, all the fans mount pretty much the same so there should be no issue with compatibility. Also, yes, Intake fans are the same units. It is just the placement of the fans and whether or not they are pushing and pulling. So you can use an intake fan as an exhaust, you just need to flip it around so it pushes air out instead of in.
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Alright will buy the case tonight and will tell you which case i will buy. Will first look at the h500 and carbide 270R. Thanks!
 
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No problem, good luck.
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It seems that ZNXT H500 has front 2x120/2x 140mm,
top 1x 120mm/1x 140mm
(1 Aer F120 Case Version included), rear 1x 120mm
(1 Aer F120 Case Version included).

And Carbide 270R

Front: (x3) 120mm or (x2) 140mm
(x1) 120mm red LED included
Top: (x2) 120/140mm
Rear: (x1) 120mm (included)

The price are similar. Corsairs case has 81mm length more width and heigth are same. Which one might look better? Sorry again for being a scarry ass and noob.
 
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