Which gpu should i choose?

[Vilixgd]

Hi!
I wondering if a pentium g4400 with 8gb ddr4 would bottleneck a gtx 1050 or 1050 ti? I want to play some witcher 3 and gta 5 on this. And in the future i will upgrade cpu.

 

[xFeaRDom]

I really doubt it will bottleneck those GPUs, they are low end but powerful, so there should be no issues.

Your CPU may struggle on GTA 5 and a few other games, but as long as you turn settings down you should be perfectly fine to play them.

The 1050ti would be the better bet for when you upgrade your CPU. It would be best if you upgraded to something like the i5-6500, that would be one of the best matches for your GPU, and will last you quite a while.

 

[CTurbo]

The G4400 is going to bottleneck every video card in games that like more than 2 cores, and no video card in games that only use 1 or 2 cores. The 1050/ti are a good match.

 

[photonboy]

I really doubt it will bottleneck those GPUs, they are low end but powerful, so there should be no issues.

Your CPU may struggle on GTA 5 and a few other games, but as long as you turn settings down you should be perfectly fine to play them.

The 1050ti would be the better bet for when you upgrade your CPU. It would be best if you upgraded to something like the i5-6500, that would be one of the best matches for your GPU, and will last you quite a while.

Sorry, but this is very, very wrong information.

(Did you even read what you posted? You said "there should be no issues" followed by "your CPU may struggle..." that really doesn't make sense.)

It will be a bottleneck to most games, and for some your performance will be as low as HALF of what you'd get pairing a a GTX1050Ti with a top-end Intel CPU.

Games vary so much it's hard to give a specific number.

So you need to educate yourself a bit more about CPU's before giving advice.

That's a dual-core, non-hyperthreaded CPU. It's about 85% as fast as a G3258 stock.

*It's not just the AVERAGE frame rate that can be a concern. A CPU like this is going to have significant LOW FPS scores causing stutters.

In Battlefield 1 (new game) the i3-6100 which is a much better CPU was getting HALF the frame rate at times compared to its own average FPS.

**In GTA 5, I'm forced to guess a bit since you won't likely find a dual-core listed (some games won't even run if only two CPU threads are detected). The i3-4130 is slightly faster per core and has hyperthreading as well.

A little detective work shows that this and other games are going to STUTTER though; put another way TWEAKING is problematic because you'll tweak more towards an AVERAGE but with a 2C/2T CPU you can expect more drops than a better CPU. Many MULTIPLAYER games require extra CPU processing aside from game rendering to handle the other client data.

ADVICE:
1) GTX1050Ti 4GB is a great card.
I would not drop below this if you can help it, and 4GB is a good idea.

2) G4400 is going to be a big bottleneck to many games. I'd upgrade it ASAP but I don't know your budget. You may want to investigate used parts and look into an i5-4590 or better.

At the very least, avoid installing CPU intensive games until you upgrade it.

 

[xFeaRDom]

I really doubt it will bottleneck those GPUs, they are low end but powerful, so there should be no issues.

Your CPU may struggle on GTA 5 and a few other games, but as long as you turn settings down you should be perfectly fine to play them.

The 1050ti would be the better bet for when you upgrade your CPU. It would be best if you upgraded to something like the i5-6500, that would be one of the best matches for your GPU, and will last you quite a while.

Sorry, but this is very, very wrong information.

It will be a bottleneck to most games, and for some your performance will be as low as HALF of what you'd get pairing a a GTX1050Ti with a top-end Intel CPU.

They are low-end, but certainly not "powerful" so you need to educate yourself a bit more about CPU's before giving advice.

That's a dual-core, non-hyperthreaded CPU. It's about 85% as fast as a G3258 stock.

*It's not just the AVERAGE frame rate that can be a concern. A CPU like this is going to have significant LOW FPS scores causing stutters.

In Battlefield 1 (new game) the i3-6100 which is a much better CPU was getting HALF the frame rate at times compared to its own average FPS.

**In GTA 5, I'm forced to guess a bit since you won't likely find a dual-core listed (some games won't even run if only two CPU threads are detected). The i3-4130 is slightly faster per core and has hyperthreading as well.

A little detective work shows that this and other games are going to STUTTER though. Many MULTIPLAYER games require extra CPU processing aside from game rendering to handle the other client data.

ADVICE:
1) GTX1050Ti 4GB is a great card.
I would not drop below this if you can help it, and 4GB is a good idea.

2) G4400 is going to be a big bottleneck to many games. I'd upgrade it ASAP but I don't know your budget. You may want to investigate used parts and look into an i5-4590 or better.

At the very least, avoid installing CPU intensive games until you upgrade it.

Maybe you should re-read what I said, I specificly said, They are low end, but powerful GPUs.

"I really doubt it will bottleneck those GPUs, they are low end but powerful, so there should be no issues"

I didn't mean it was powerful compared to like the 1080s, you're just looking from the incorrect viewpoint, you're looking from the high-end viewpoint, not the low-end. Seems to be one thing that you may want to educate and adapt your viewpoint to. You can tell his build is low end, hence the weak processor and the 1050's.

He also did mention he'd upgrade the CPU in the future, hence, replying that the 1050Ti would be a reasonable upgrade for when he does do that.

Before you merely reply to my post, call me uneducated and saying that almost ALL (90%) of the information I gave him was incorrect. Try adapting too, nobody is perfect.

And why should he avoid these installations, you're just informing him to basically just 'Give up' and don't play the games he wants to.

Note that he never even mentioned BF1, hence, why mention it?

If he can install the games and run them, I never said it'll be smooth, I said it may struggle, but if you turn the settings down it'll run better, hence, dropping from 1080 to 720p, reducing CPU intensive games etc.

Maybe you should've read my post properly before calling me stupid, basically.

Thanks

- Dom.

 

[photonboy]

xFearDom,
1) I did make a mistake about the "powerful" part then corrected it.

2) BF1 was just an example.
I can give many. Fallout 4 would be very impacted too.

3) Nowhere do I tell him to "give up"; in fact, I suggested simply to avoid CPU intensive games until he upgrades his CPU.

4) Yes, you said "may struggle" but you also said there should be "no issues"; those two viewpoints are quite different. Basically you implied MINIMAL problems with a CPU being a bottleneck to a GTX1050Ti in most games and that simply is NOT the case.

5) I never implied you were stupid. Just misinformed, and providing misleading information.

I also attempted to QUALIFY the expected performance, in particular the fact of STUTTERS which showing an average FPS doesn't indicate.

So...
If I had to sum up your mistake it would be your FIRST SENTENCE which basically suggests very few games will have any CPU bottleneck. That's far from the case with a GTX1050Ti + G4400.

**Seriously though, I did nothing to belittle you so I think you've taken this as an insult for no good reason. All I said was that your information was wrong. If you'd worded it a bit different it would have been fine.

 

[xFeaRDom]

xFearDom,
1) I did make a mistake about the "powerful" part then corrected it.

2) BF1 was just an example.

3) Nowhere do I tell him to "give up"; in fact, I suggested simply to avoid CPU intensive games until he upgrades his CPU.

4) Yes, you said "may struggle" but you also said there should be "no issues"; those two viewpoints are quite different. Basically you implied MINIMAL problems with a CPU being a bottleneck to a GTX1050Ti in most games and that simply is NOT the case.

5) I never implied you were stupid. Just misinformed, and providing misleading information.

I also attempted to QUALIFY the expected performance, in particular the fact of STUTTERS which showing an average FPS doesn't indicate.

So...
If I had to sum up your mistake it would be your FIRST SENTENCE which basically suggests very few games will have any CPU bottleneck. That's far from the case with a GTX1050Ti + G4400.

**Seriously though, I did nothing to belittle you so I think you've taken this as an insult for no good reason. All I said was that your information was wrong. If you'd worded it a bit different it would have been fine.

1 - "There should be no issues" with the GPU running with that CPU with the GPU bottlenecking, is what I meant.

2 - You basically worded it to say that I am uneducated/stupid.

3 - I did recommend it would be best if he was to upgrade his CPU to an i5-6500, which is just a simple

4 - I admit that some of the wording could've been improved as it can be a contradiction, but if read correctly, makes perfect sense.

 

[photonboy]

Sigh. per above.
(it gets better at the end if you read it through)

#1 - what you said is clear. However it's also wrong. A large number of games will have reduced performance with a GTX1050Ti relative to what say an i7-6700K would give.

If a different part produces better results then the replaced part was being a bottleneck. That's the very definition of a bottleneck.

#2 - that's your interpretation. I said you were wrong. Benchmarks prove you are wrong. Calling you "wrong" is not the same thing as calling you "stupid" and I'm sorry that you feel that way as that's certainly not my intent.

How would you SUGGEST I relay when I think information is wrong?

#3 - this part is pointless since I didn't comment on it (ignore my mistake which I just deleted)

#4 - Well, I can see what your INTENT was now more clearly though it doesn't change the fact that a G4400 is rarely NOT a bottleneck to the GTX1050Ti. You aren't going to convince anyone with sufficient PC knowledge of that. Perhaps "rarely NOT" is too strong but it's certainly quite common.

(In fact the GPU is almost EXACTLY the same performance as a GTX680 which I had for four years and for which I also compiled a list of how much processing the CPU needed to provide for various games)

So..
I'm done with this and won't respond further. Sorry you felt insulted, and FYI understanding how CPU parts perform isn't easy. I have a computer background and do a lot of testing so I have a pretty clear idea of how this all works. Hopefully the OP gets some good information which depending on the budget may go like THIS:

#1 - upgrade to GTX1050Ti 4GB

#2 - upgrade CPU to i5-6500 or similar as suggested (yes, I made a mistake. mixed up the G4400)

#3 - avoid CPU intensive games in general

#4 - don't confuse AVERAGE FPS scores with a tendency to dip LOW which causes stutter. That's something a dual-core CPU is much more prone to do which can ruin the experience in some titles.

#5 - tweaking game settings goes a long, long way to a better experience however most tweaks are more graphics related. Some things, especially in many multi-player games MUST run on the CPU which brings us back to the last point.

 

[xFeaRDom]

Sigh. per above.
(it gets better at the end if you read it through)

#1 - what you said is clear. However it's also wrong. A large number of games will have reduced performance with a GTX1050Ti relative to what say an i7-6700K would give.

If a different part produces better results then the replaced part was being a bottleneck. That's the very definition of a bottleneck.

#2 - that's your interpretation. I said you were wrong. Benchmarks prove you are wrong. Calling you "wrong" is not the same thing as calling you "stupid" and I'm sorry that you feel that way as that's certainly not my intent.

How would you SUGGEST I relay when I think information is wrong?

#3 - this part is pointless since I didn't comment on it, though I wouldn't agree since now he needs a new motherboard, DDR4 memory and needs to reinstall Windows (and possibly buy a new copy depending what version he has).

Thus his best budget solution is to go with a part that fits his system already. He should look up his CPU support list but probably the i5-4590 or similar is the best solution.

#4 - Well, I can see what your INTENT was now more clearly though it doesn't change the fact that a G4400 is rarely NOT a bottleneck to the GTX1050Ti. You aren't going to convince anyone with sufficient PC knowledge of that. Perhaps "rarely NOT" is too strong but it's certainly quite common.

(In fact the GPU is almost EXACTLY the same performance as a GTX680 which I had for four years and for which I also compiled a list of how much processing the CPU needed to provide for various games)

So..
I'm done with this and won't respond further. Sorry you felt insulted, and FYI understanding how CPU parts perform isn't easy. I have a computer background and do a lot of testing so I have a pretty clear idea of how this all works. Hopefully the OP gets some good information which depending on the budget may go like THIS:

#1 - upgrade to GTX1050Ti 4GB

#2 - upgrade CPU to i5-4590 or similar ASAP

#3 - avoid CPU intensive games in general

#4 - don't confuse AVERAGE FPS scores with a tendency to dip LOW which causes stutter. That's something a dual-core CPU is much more prone to do which can ruin the experience in some titles.

#5 - tweaking game settings goes a long, long way to a better experience however most tweaks are more graphics related. Some things, especially in many multi-player games MUST run on the CPU which brings us back to the last point.

https://ark.intel.com/products/88179/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4400-3M-Cache-3_30-GHz

The G4400 is an LGA1151 processor by the way.

So all he'd need to do is upgrade his CPU and he'd be on his way. He states that he has DDR4 RAM too.

Sorry i've been a d**k, just having a really terrible day and just need to get it out, just let it out on the wrong place. Sorry

Just took a break from work hence the reply was delayed, got fresh air and calmed down somehow.

Apologies again, but yeah, LGA1151 processor
https://ark.intel.com/products/88179/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4400-3M-Cache-3_30-GHz

 

[photonboy]

G4400.
Yep, I made a mistake there and corrected. See, it's easy to do!

(I did get the performance values from Passmark, but mixed it up with a Haswell CPU for some reason. actually, I do know it's the "4400" part. When I think "i5-4400 which is Haswell I also was thinking G4400 would be too.

I agree on the i5-6500 (or better).

*PCPARTPICKER has a list of GTX1050Ti links. I found several between $135 and $160 but I wouldn't spend more.

Okay, glad things are mostly sorted out and I think the recommendation we agree on is roughly:

i5-6500, and
GTX1050Ti

I would have to suggest the GPU first.

I know some case could be made for the i3-6100 but frankly an i5-6500 or better is going to make his CPU last for quite a while and of course the i3-6100 is still not enough for some titles to give the optimal experience.

Just FYI, but DX12 and Vulkan should help keep an i5-6500 from becoming much of a bottleneck. It not only allows close to 100% of the processing in THEORY (must still be properly coded for) but also the draw calls are more efficient so your processing requirement drops compared to today.

Game developers can certainly add in code that hammers a CPU if they want but I doubt that will be common.

One final note is that AMD GPU's are slightly more future proof, however they also are less efficient in DX11 due to AMD's DX11 drivers so a weaker CPU like the G4400 would become more of a bottleneck.

Also, I don't think AMD has anything at this price point with the same performance. My poor GTX680 cost about 3X what the GTX1050Ti costs and the new GPU is pretty much identical with more memory.

update:
RX-460 4GB is the most comparable card. Performance is lower so even if future games run better you'd basically maybe get PARITY in newer games so the RX-460 at the current price is pointless.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_460_STRIX_OC/24.html

The GTX1050Ti is roughly 20% with a good CPU, but with a weaker CPU the RX-460 would drop up to 15% or so further.

Summary:
- sorry for the mistakes (on both sides)
- i5-6500 + GTX1050Ti

Yes Regis. That's my final answer.

 

[xFeaRDom]

G4400.
Yep, I made a mistake there and corrected. See, it's easy to do!

I agree on the i5-6500 (or better).

*PCPARTPICKER has a list of GTX1050Ti links. I found several between $135 and $160 but I wouldn't spend more.

I know it's easy, just in a terrible mood and I'm getting annoyed easily.

You have to agree where he's coming from, the GTX 1050Ti would be the best upgrade at the moment, as it will allow him to play games at a decent standard in most cases, then the i5 to be the later upgrade.

 

[CTurbo]

Yeah I was about to comment on the 6500 being the upgrade path, not the 4590 and also, the g4400 is around 10-12% faster than the g3258 at stock.

This entire discussion just really depends on the game. There are a lot of games that will be just fine on a strong dual core, and some games just flat out won't even run smoothly at any setting.

 

[photonboy]

Please note my final, FINAL comment above. I just finished. I guess I updated it so your comments are below it.

(and not that it matters but I used PASSMARK for CPU scores. It says the G3258 is faster but whatever. I think there may be certain architectural changes that make the G4400 easier to produce that impact performance but at this point who cares? I'm not considering the iGPU, just the CPU processing.)

And yes, the dual-core can do well in many games. Hopefully my comments reflect that somewhat, but again the AVERAGE vs MINIMUM FPS is often problematic causing stutters or at least a sudden lower FPS.

Peace out, yo.