Which is computer is better?

cfeth

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sorry, my mistake, the second build should be correct now.
 

cfeth

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sorry, I don't think that's the right link, it's the basic default build.

will you just tell me what you changed?
 

vance09

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Also, if you're ordering the frio, make sure you get their care shipping option, that is a big fan that can come apart during shipping and kill your mobo.
 

cfeth

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I'm sorry, I don't see the care shipping option. Will the other fans work just as well?
 

vance09

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It's the Ultra Enhanced Packaging Solution under the software and services tab. The other coolers are garbage, closed water coolers don't add anything more than a good air cooler and can mess up your components if they break. I actually ordered the frio for my build, it is truly one of the top coolers on the market, especially if you may overclock. Watch out though, the thing is a monster, unless you have a full tower case it will be a very tight fit. I would reccomend you upgrade to the cheapest full tower you can find (I would reccomend the Azza genesis, it has a $30 MIR and USB 3.0 ports). Also, if you decide to keep the midtower, forget the frio and the V6 gt (both are very big) and just go with the best liquid cooling you can afford.
 

BreadWhistle

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Well in that case; I'd go with the 2nd build. But keep in mind, on CyberPowerPC is about $500 more than building it yourself.

But I wouldn't go with either. This is what I would go with.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($36.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($239.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($37.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: MSI DH-24AAS-17 R DVD/CD Writer ($28.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VK248H-CSM 24.0" Monitor ($203.49 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($91.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $976.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-16 18:49 EST-0500)

Go with the i5 3470 as overclocking your CPU does not much of anything when playing games. Used this saved money to buy a 7870 as it is superior to both the 7850 and the 660 in games.

Reduced RAM down to 8GB as you will never need 16GB. You will only need that much memory if you are doing heavy editing/rendering.

Also just threw in a monitor with extra goodies like a webcam. If you don't need this, you can get a different 24" monitor and save $40

This comes out about $100 cheaper than Build #1, and performs better also.
 

vance09

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Actually, contrary to popular belief, Cyber Power isn't much more expensive than building. What the cyber power build offers is a better video card, and the ability to overclock which does help in CPU dependent games like Skyrim. I would reccomend you find the same parts on part picker, I can guarantee they will be near the same price as the cyber power build. I would still reccomend doing it yourself though, if only for the experience.
 

BreadWhistle

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Where on earth did you hear that Corsair Builder series PSU's aren't good at all?

And here is you comparison between building and CPPC -

CyberPower - $1272

PCPartPicker - http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nZzw $1107
(Changed Specs back to OP's original before free sale)

And let's mention that the OP probably doesn't need all of that power.
1. He doesn't need a $60 CPU cooler that probably won't fit in the case and will block DIMM slots

2. He doesn't need a GTX 660 to run games on a 1050p monitor

3. He doesn't need a 650W PSU at all

And also, I didn't want to gripe about this, but he obviously didn't read the sticky at all. The way he asked was in no way the appropriate way to ask a question. So so far we have no base idea to know if he even needs an i5 system!
 

vance09

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Maybe I was misinformed about the builder series, I heard they weren't that great from a couple of people. They weren't experts, though, and I haven't read any reviews so maybe you're right. And the difference between the two deals is, with Cyber Power you get a free SSD and a better video card (the 7950 compared to the 660). So, really, you are still ~$100 of building yourself, not that huge of a difference.
 

BreadWhistle

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True but one thing tat bugs me is that you don't know what you are getting when you buy CPPC. "Major brand powered by Nvidia" Made by who? MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte? Or some crappy PowerColor GPU using the reference design? Gigabyte's thermal solution runs a good few degrees cooler than the reference version GPU's.

And what happens when these Black Friday sales wear off?
 

BreadWhistle

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Yes, if you will be overlocking (Since you have the most expensive Tt cooler ANd a 3570k I guess you are overclocking :p)
 

cfeth

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I'm sorry, I don't plan on overclocking, I really don't want to mess with it. I just need it to run med-high settings on WOW and some games.

Ok, I have changed the processor, cooling fan, decreased to 8gb ram, changed the power supply since it was lower in price and more watts(idk if that's good or not), and will you please tell me if the freebie "GIGABYTE GC-WB300D Exclusive Bluetooth 4.0/WiFi PCIe Expansion Card [+0]" is good or will it be a waste of space? Also, do I need a bigger case?
Thank you.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1ELJ02
 

BreadWhistle

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Seems good now. But you probably don't need 1866MHz RAM, but since it's a free upgrade, why not?) And it depends. I probably would get it just because I always bring my laptop with me to vacations, and I wouldn't be able to get on the internet. (Currently building an Intel system)

So if you use bluetooth or wifi, why not. You could also resale it (Maybe get about $20?) If not then really it's just a waste of a PCI slot.
 

cfeth

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So the motherboard, processor and cooling fan are good with the video card? I'm about to order it now, before the free keyboard goes off sale.
 

vance09

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If you aren't overclocking, you have no need for a bigger case, just go with the cheapest water cooling. Neither of the air coolers on there is reccomended for mid-size cases, and as long as your not OCing even the cheapest of water coolers will keep you good. Really, anything is better than the stock fan. Get the free wifi card, if you don't have a wifi dongle it helps, if you don't need it you can always remove it easily. Also, make sure you select the Taihiti bundle under the video cards freebie section, that's four free games right there.
 

cfeth

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OMG, Thank you so much, you have no idea how much you have helped me, thank you!
But just to double check, the iIntel Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink is the one I have, good?
Also will you please double check my order? If you want, I am willing to send you $150 for the help.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1ELJ34
 

vance09

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I would still reccomend getting the 510 water cooling, but you will be good with Intel, and you can always just install after market. Also, DO NOT BUY THE STANDARD POWER SUPPLY. You are risking your system, as cyber power uses cheap components for the standard psu, and that is the most important part for the stability of the build. Pay the 63$ and upgrade to the 750W corsair, the standard can ruin your system.