Which is newer? 965 or 975 chipset?

IcY18

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I wouldn't call it counter intuitive, thats like saying nvidia is stupid for releasing the 8600 series because they released them after the 8800. the 965 chipset is the not high end crossfire, all feature, chipset like the 975 is.
Makes perfect sense to me.
 

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Well, their chipsets had pretty much gone in numerical order in the past right? 810... 815... 915... 945... and so on.

And I'm not sure if your analogy to the 8800/8600 holds up... the 8800 is superior in every way to the 8600... thus, a higher number. That doesn't hold true for the 965/975 comparison. No one is out looking to buy to a new 975 based system... well, hardly anyone.

Anyways... it was just an observation. Maybe "counter-intuitive" was a bad word choice.
 

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The 975 is actually the older of the two chipsets... leave it to Intel to do something so counter-intuitive.

Well, the 975X was suppose to be the high-end model of the two. But considering that the 965P more then often surpass that chispet in most benchmark, even that isn't true. :?

So I have to agree with you. Maybe the choice of name has more to do with the price they charge for it compare to the 965P. I think it's 10$ more. :lol:
 

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The only benchmark that 965 would beat a 975 would a overclocking/fsb test. Otherwise they are within +-5% which is not enough to say that one is better than the other.
 

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The P5W DH (975) is not half as good as the P5B (965) when it comes to overclocking. I would really like us to petition Asus to improve the BIOS on the P5W DH. Everything since v1307 has sucked!!!! My OC's just keep gettting lower with every new BIOS install.
 

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Well, their chipsets had pretty much gone in numerical order in the past right? 810... 815... 915... 945... and so on.

And I'm not sure if your analogy to the 8800/8600 holds up... the 8800 is superior in every way to the 8600... thus, a higher number. That doesn't hold true for the 965/975 comparison. No one is out looking to buy to a new 975 based system... well, hardly anyone.

Anyways... it was just an observation. Maybe "counter-intuitive" was a bad word choice.

Did the 875 come out before the 865?
 
what is the difference between the 965P and 965G?

The G965 chipset comes with integrated graphics (GMA 3000). It is also a bad overclocker. The highest FSB it will reach is 300MHz based on what I've read a couple of months ago. Typical overclocking ranges between 280MHz - 290MHz for most motherboards based on this chipset.
 

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so G bad, P good and 965>975 for practical purposes
Unless you want to run two ATI graphics cards in Crossfire mode. if you do then your only sensible options are 975X or the DFI RD600 board (that I can never remember the name of).
 

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so G bad, P good and 965>975 for practical purposes
It's not that simple.
The 965G is a great chipset for NON-GAMING NON-OVERCLOCKING systems. This comprises the vast majority of desktop needs. It minimizes build cost. It is also not a likely choice for most forum members. You should consider it for systems you may build for others though, along with the NVidia 6150 and AMD690.
The P965 is a mainstream chipset without integrated graphics. Boards using it often include bios options that make for outstanding overclocking potential. No other chipset runs faster or cooler. This is a great for enthusiasts who only want/need to run a single video card (most of us). The P965 was released after the P975 and thus is "newer".
As nicolasb said, the P975 has more lanes available and runs crossfire at 2x16. These boards are typically more feature laden than the 965s and thus cost more. Many of these boards overclock quite well. These boards are often recommended for E6600 and up cpus.
For SLI, you must use one of the NVidia chipsets.
VIA and SIS chipsets are not usually considered here.
 

nicolasb

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The P965 is a mainstream chipset without integrated graphics. Boards using it often include bios options that make for outstanding overclocking potential. No other chipset runs faster or cooler.
I think RD600 runs cooler, doesn't it? Uses less power, anyway, I'm not sure about the actual temperature.

As nicolasb said, the P975 has more lanes available and runs crossfire at 2x16.
You mean 2x8. Nothing runs Crossfire at 2x16. (Sadly).
 

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Yup, 2x8. I keep thinking of the common P965 kludge where boards run 1 PCI-E slot using 16 lanes, but the second at only 4 lanes. This is supposed to be a crossfire solution!
Maybe the RD chipset is cooler. I'll bet that there's a cooler VIA chipset out there as well. Do we care?
 

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still on the subject of chipset, the P965 vs a 975X in a FSB competition they both hit a wall at around the same mark, 480Mhz, it's just you need to be a tid bit more skilled to do it with a 975X, the 975X also has a better memory controller and more PCI-E lanes, sure crossfire doesn't run at 16x2 but you get better other features. Personally, i go for them because they oc just as good have better memory controller and they have an extra 8x slot, so you can run 2x huge cards (abit not sli) at good speeds if you need to do some work with huge monitors.
 

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The P5W DH (975) is not half as good as the P5B (965) when it comes to overclocking. I would really like us to petition Asus to improve the BIOS on the P5W DH. Everything since v1307 has sucked!!!! My OC's just keep gettting lower with every new BIOS install.

Stop installing the new BIOS's and go back to the old one then!!! :D
 

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Barritio said:
Stop installing the new BIOS's and go back to the old one then!!! :D

I installed v2004 and it runs like a bomb. No probs, and been testing for two days. I'm up to 3.4Ghz stable. I would recommend it. I could easily boot at 3.6Ghz, but temps were a little high (v-core had to go to 1.45v).
 

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You mean 2x8. Nothing runs Crossfire at 2x16. (Sadly).
No Intel boards at least (until X38). I think that there are AMD boards that do like this one.
Yes, true, but anyone who cares enough about performance to want to run Crossfire cares enough to avoid using an AMD CPU, at least until K10 comes out. :)
 

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You mean 2x8. Nothing runs Crossfire at 2x16. (Sadly).
No Intel boards at least (until X38). I think that there are AMD boards that do like this one.

Ha, no that board definitely does not run crossfire in 16x for each.

There is no board for intel or amd that runs crossfire 16x for each slot.
 

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Has anyone tried a CF set-up on a 965P (like the Asus P5B-E Plus)?
What was the performance difference with the 975?

will the card on the x16 slot run slower to match the one on the x4 slot?