Which Thuban ??

[abhishekk89]

I was about to get myself a core i5 750... Then i saw that amd were releasing this phenom x6 1055t processor... I have decided to wait see the benchmarks before i make a move...

Now according to different sources there will be two versions of x6 1055... one with a maximum of 125W TDP and the other with 95... surprising both are listed at the same price... will the 95 W one succeed the other after a few months ?? Or will it have some limitations ??

Can anyone shed some light...

 

[loneninja]

It could end up like the Phenom 9750, a 125W version was sold retail, while the 95W version was only OEM and primarily could only be found in prebuilts. Or it could be like the Phenom II 945, 125W at first, and later be reintroduced at 95W.

What do you intend to do with your computer? Even the 3.2Ghz Thuban will struggle to beat the I5 in most tasks that use a max of 4 cores, just like the Phenom II 965 currently struggles to beat it. I5 would be a better buy for gamers.

 

[saaiello]

I5 750 will still smack around a Phenom x6 in Gaming. I dont see this Phenom II x6 being all that great it will only be better in programs that can take advantage of 6 cores.

 

[abhishekk89]

this rig will be used in a htpc.. i do game a lot too.. so i guess this would be a gaming htpc.. and other regular tasks too.. surfing, occasional video conversions, burning, etc etc..

 

[saaiello]

this rig will be used in a htpc.. i do game a lot too.. so i guess this would be a gaming htpc.. and other regular tasks too.. surfing, occasional video conversions, burning, etc etc..

I mean you can wait for the benchmarks but the I5 750 will game better i can pretty much guarantee that.

 

[OvrClkr]

I5 750 will still smack around a Phenom x6 in Gaming. I dont see this Phenom II x6 being all that great it will only be better in programs that can take advantage of 6 cores.

I highly doubt that, the 1090T with Turbo enabled will trounce an i5 750 in everything including gaming.

The 1090T is going to be compared to the i7 920/930, just FYI.

To the OP, six core CPU's are not meant for HTCP's.

 

[saaiello]

I highly doubt that, the 1090T with Turbo enabled will trounce an i5 750 in everything including gaming.

The x6's are going to be compared to the i7 920/930, just FYI.

To the OP, six core CPU's are not meant for HTCP's.

Well nobody will know till it is released but i seriously doubt it will beat an I5 750 in gaming. If a Phenom II x4 cant beat an I5 750 at a much higher base clock speed how do you see this x6 which is basically an x4 with 2 more cores. I just dont see it doing that well. But who can tell till its released and we see some actual numbers.

 

[abhishekk89]

Hey.. I'm still 19.. need to get the cash from dad.. so i'm getting this on pretext of a htpc...

 

[OvrClkr]

Well nobody will know till it is released but i seriously doubt it will beat an I5 750 in gaming. If a Phenom II x4 cant beat an I5 750 at a much higher base clock speed how do you see this x6 which is basically an x4 with 2 more cores. I just dont see it doing that well. But who can tell till its released and we see some actual numbers.

Use common sense, based on the specs of the x6 (1055T) which is clocked at 2.8Ghz and 3.3Ghz with Turbo should game just as good (if not better) than the i5 750. Since its an x6 it will also best the 750 at heavy threaded apps. The i5 750 compares to the x4 955/965 when it comes to gaming.

Thuban is not just an x4 with 2 more cores, its much more than that

Here are the specs of the 1055T :

Phenom X6 1055T = $199

- AM2+ or AM3
- 6 core
- 6 threads
- 2.8GHz
- 3.3Ghz "tubo boost"
- 6 x 512kb L2 Cache
- 6MB L3 Cache
- DDR2 and DDR3 support
- 45nm SOI
- 125W TDP

 

[saaiello]

Use common sense, based on the specs of the x6 (1055T) which is clocked at 2.8Ghz and 3.3Ghz with Turbo should game just as good (if not better) as the i5 750. Since its an x6 it will also best the 750 at heavy threaded apps. The i5 750 compares to the x4 955/965 when it comes to gaming.

Thuban is not just an x4 with 2 more cores, its much more than that

Here are the specs of the 1055T :

Phenom X6 1055T = $199

- AM2+ or AM3
- 6 core
- 6 threads
- 2.8GHz
- 3.3Ghz "tubo boost"
- 6 x 512kb L2 Cache
- 6MB L3 Cache
- DDR2 and DDR3 support
- 45nm SOI
- 125W TDP

Well common sense hmm yes i can see it being better in heavily threaded apps i didnt say it wouldnt be but for gaming I dont see it being better. Also you are contradicting yourself you said it would be compared to a I7 and now you are saying it should do just as good as an I5 so which is it. And the specs besides the turbo boost dont look any different then an x4.

 

[OvrClkr]

Well common sense hmm yes i can see it being better in heavily threaded apps i didnt say it wouldnt be but for gaming I dont see it being better. Also you are contradicting yourself you said it would be compared to a I7 and now you are saying it should do just as good as an I5 so which is it. And the specs besides the turbo boost dont look any different then an x4.

Maybe i missinterpreted, there are about 5 different x6's. My point is that the 1055T should be on par with the i5 750 (if not faster) @ 199.99$. The 1090T should be on par with the 920/930 @ 295.00$

Here is the roadmap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#.22Thuban.22_.2845_nm.2C_Six-core.29

 

[saaiello]

Maybe i missinterpreted, there are about 5 different x6's. My point is that the 1055T should be on par with the i5 750 (if not faster) @ 199.99$. The 1090T should be on par with the 920/930 @ 295.00$

Here is the roadmap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#.22Thuban.22_.2845_nm.2C_Six-core.29[/quotems

Ok I can agree with that I dont think it will beat an I7 920 but the 1090T should be able to run with it.

 

[OvrClkr]

We should have some benchmarks soon, im just questioning the price right now. 199.99$ for 6 cores sounds to good to be true.

 

[saaiello]

We should have some benchmarks soon, im just questioning the price right now. 199.99$ for 6 cores sounds to good to be true.

Sounds way too good thats why I doubt it so much.

 

[keithlm]

If a Phenom II x4 cant beat an I5 750 at a much higher base clock speed how do you see this x6 which is basically an x4 with 2 more cores. I just dont see it doing that well. But who can tell till its released and we see some actual numbers.

Currently in a majority of gaming benchmarking there is not really a large difference between the clockspeeds that the chips actually run at. People like to play dumb and pretend the i5-750 is always running at 2.66Ghz.

With this new chip AMD is adding a benchmarketing gimmick similar to Intel's gimmick. Intel users will lose the benefit of being able to pretend that "base clockspeed" means the same thing as "static clockspeed". Although I expect AMD to allow people to easily determine what dynamically overclocked frequency is being used, so we'll still have some people attempt to claim base clock frequency against a higher dynamic overclock frequency.

For desktop machines the true purpose for dynamic overclocking is to appear to perform better on benchmarks. That is why Intel did not implement an easy method to determine true frequency while dynamically overclocked. (Did you truly think that the Intel engineers were stupid enough to forget something that important?)

 

[saint19]

Just for info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#.22Thuban.22_.2845_nm.2C_Six-core.29

 

[xaira]

dont get a hexacore for a htpc, especially if its a small form factor case, the x3 4xx series will do well in an htpc, ifyou plan to use this htpc to rip dvds etc x4 620/630/635 will do well, my x4 620 never went 11* over ambient temperature with the stock cooler, hexacore for htpc really makes no sense

 

[saaiello]

Currently in a majority of gaming benchmarking there is not really a large difference between the clockspeeds that the chips actually run at. People like to play dumb and pretend the i5-750 is always running at 2.66Ghz.

With this new chip AMD is adding a benchmarketing gimmick similar to Intel's gimmick. Intel users will lose the benefit of being able to pretend that "base clockspeed" means the same thing as "static clockspeed". Although I expect AMD to allow people to easily determine what dynamically overclocked frequency is being used, so we'll still have some people attempt to claim base clock frequency against a higher dynamic overclock frequency.

For desktop machines the true purpose for dynamic overclocking is to appear to perform better on benchmarks. That is why Intel did not implement an easy method to determine true frequency while dynamically overclocked. (Did you truly think that the Intel engineers were stupid enough to forget something that important?)

Ok I like your logic but it don't work consider this a Phenom II x4 965 runs at 3.4ghz all the time the I5 750 2.66ghz with a max turbo speed of 3.2 ghz Which I believe works for 2 cores. So as we know The I5 750 beats the x4 965 which is still 200 mhz faster then the I5 when turbo is active I don't see how this is cheating when for the most part this is well known technology. I like how you are trying to make it sound like Intel is doing something wrong either way you look at it Intel's chips are 10 to 20% faster then AMD at the same clock and in some cases even faster.

 

[keithlm]

Ok I like your logic but it don't work consider this a Phenom II x4 965 runs at 3.4ghz all the time the I5 750 2.66ghz with a max turbo speed of 3.2 ghz Which I believe works for 2 cores. So as we know The I5 750 beats the x4 965 which is still 200 mhz faster then the I5 when turbo is active I don't see how this is cheating when for the most part this is well known technology. I like how you are trying to make it sound like Intel is doing something wrong either way you look at it Intel's chips are 10 to 20% faster then AMD at the same clock and in some cases even faster.

When you do clock to clock comparisons without having turbo enabled then the 10%-20% you keep claiming disappears. But at least you realize you were attempting to obscure reality with your "2.66Ghz" claim.

The i5-750 is going to have its butt handed to it.

EDIT: The real question will be how the Thuban compares to the i7-930 and i7-950.

 

[saaiello]

When you do clock to clock comparisons without having turbo enabled then the 10%-20% you keep claiming disappears. But at least you realize you were attempting to obscure reality with your "2.66Ghz" claim.

The i5-750 is going to have its butt handed to it.

EDIT: The real question will be how the Thuban compares to the i7-930 and i7-950.

I love you AMD fanboys you have to make up stuff just to make AMD sound like its better then Intel or that Intel is doing something to cheat you really make no sense in what you are saying. I stated that yes I5 750 has a clock speed of 2.66ghz and when turbo mode is active it can see up to 3.2 ghz so like I said before even if turbo mode is running at full speed during those benchmarks its still faster clock for clock no matter how you look at it. Since games only use 2 to 4 threads your Thuban will do no better then any of the Phenom IIs that are already out.

 

[OvrClkr]

Instead of you folks arguing about who is faster, why dont we wait till the CPU is released and bench both chips WITHOUT "TURBO" this way we can forget about the whole cheating issue, sounds good?

 

[saaiello]

Sounds good to me I just can't believe he said intel is cheating.

 

[OvrClkr]

I see it this way, if you want a legit bench then we test both CPU's at lets say 3.4Ghz "no turbo" and see who prevails.

Then you test again at 4Ghz just to see if there are any differences.

We find out who won.

The end...

 

[ash9]

I love you AMD fanboys you have to make up stuff just to make AMD sound like its better then Intel or that Intel is doing something to cheat you really make no sense in what you are saying. I stated that yes I5 750 has a clock speed of 2.66ghz and when turbo mode is active it can see up to 3.2 ghz so like I said before even if turbo mode is running at full speed during those benchmarks its still faster clock for clock no matter how you look at it. Since games only use 2 to 4 threads your Thuban will do no better then any of the Phenom IIs that are already out.

Thuban is not related to any Phenoms currently active, it is related to Istanbul- that is where your shortsightedness begins.

 

[saaiello]

Thuban is not related to any Phenoms currently active, it is related to Istanbul- that is where your shortsightedness begins.

Istanbul's as we all know can not hold up against Intel's I7 xeons. Also they have been tested with gaming and have scaled horribly. I will not expect anything worth getting excited for until bulldozer on its 32nm with new instructions is released.