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Hi, building my first gaming rig so i'm a newbie :)

Just finalizing my build but not sure on what motherboard to go for.

I'm only going to be gaming on it at 1080p 144hz primary monitor and talking to friends on voice chat and browsing random stuff on internet, watching youtube videos and twitch at 1440p 60hz secondary monitor. Will upgrade primary monitor to 1440p 144hz eventually when I upgrade my gpu.


Doesn't matter if it doesn't have wireless built in as I connect to internet with ethernet directly and doesn't matter if it doesn't have bluetooth either as i don't use bluetooth for anything.

I won't be doing any manual overlocking to whatever can be overlocked like RAM, CPU, GPU albecause I don't trust myself to not damage something. If there's automatic options where i can just select a preset overclock for anything i'll do that though.

Here's my build:


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£281.98 @ Aria PC)
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1 g Thermal Paste (£4.98 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard (£293.91 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£111.41 @ More Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£66.36 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£113.40 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.97 @ Laptops Direct)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£48.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1095.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Am I wasting money on that Taichi based on what I've said above? Not entirely sure on what board to go for at all. I don't want to pay a lot of money for a good board that has stuff on it that I won't take advantage of however I don't want to buy a really cheap bad board either because for the parts of the board i will be using i'd like them to be premium if that makes sense as i would like it to be as future proof as possible as i do plan to make upgrades to like the GPU, ram, ssds, CPU in the future.

Thanks. :)
 
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Nuruize said:
Hi, building my first gaming rig so i'm a newbie :)

Just finalizing my build but not sure on what motherboard to go for.

I'm only going to be gaming on it and talking to friends on voice chat and browsing random stuff on internet, watching youtube videos and twitch.

Doesn't matter if it doesn't have wireless built in as I connect to internet with ethernet directly and doesn't matter if it doesn't have bluetooth either as i don't use bluetooth for anything.

I won't be doing any manual overlocking to whatever can be overlocked like RAM, CPU, GPU. If there's automatic options where i can just select a preset overclock for anything i'll do that though.

Here's my build:


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£281.98 @ Aria PC)
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1 g Thermal Paste (£4.98 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard (£293.91 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£111.41 @ More Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£66.36 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£113.40 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.97 @ Laptops Direct)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£48.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1095.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-12 03:45 GMT+0000

Am I wasting money on that Taichi based on what I've said above? Not entirely sure on what board to go for at all. I don't want to pay a lot of money for a good board that has stuff on it that I won't take advantage of however I don't want to buy a really cheap bad board either because for the parts of the board i will be using i'd like them to be premium if that makes sense as i would like it to be as future proof as possible as i do plan to make upgrades to like the GPU, ram, ssds, CPU in the future.

Thanks. :)
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Are you going to overclock?

If yes keep the Taichi as all good overclocking motherboards are about the same price as your Taichi. Those better overclocking motherboards have better VRMs.
 
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I already have the 1660ti it was bought as a gift for me at Christmas so don't want to replace it yet because it will look bad haha.

I won't be doing any manual overclocking just automatic ones like xmp thing for ram, whatever the one for the cpu is and my gpu software has automatic presets for overclocks too.

I was going fir an x570 for the future proofing and so I won't have to worry about upgrading motherboard for a long time plus they were made for the new ryzen CPUS.
 
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Nuruize said:
I already have the 1660ti it was bought as a gift for me at Christmas so don't want to replace it yet because it will look bad haha.

I won't be doing any manual overclocking just automatic ones like xmp thing for ram, whatever the one for the cpu is and my gpu software has automatic presets for overclocks too.

I was going fir an x570 for the future proofing and so I won't have to worry about upgrading motherboard for a long time plus they were made for the new ryzen CPUS.
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Automatic OC is still overclocking and the Taichi will be better at this.

As for future proofing, the AM4 socket will be discontinued after Ryzen 4000.
 
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Nuruize said:
I already have the 1660ti it was bought as a gift for me at Christmas so don't want to replace it yet because it will look bad haha.

I won't be doing any manual overclocking just automatic ones like xmp thing for ram, whatever the one for the cpu is and my gpu software has automatic presets for overclocks too.

I was going fir an x570 for the future proofing and so I won't have to worry about upgrading motherboard for a long time plus they were made for the new ryzen CPUS.
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I really don’t see how an X570 is more future proof? PCIE 4.0 is still way off being mainstream and by the time it’s required anything from the current generation is going to be outdated. We already know next gen Intel is still pcie 3.0. The Tomahawk Max was made for the 3000 series, that is what the Max branding means. It’s up to you but for your needs I highly doubt you will miss anything by going with a good B450.
 
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Nuruize said:
Hi, building my first gaming rig so i'm a newbie :)

Just finalizing my build but not sure on what motherboard to go for.

I'm only going to be gaming on it at 1080p 144hz primary monitor and talking to friends on voice chat and browsing random stuff on internet, watching youtube videos and twitch at 1440p 60hz secondary monitor. Will upgrade primary monitor to 1440p 144hz eventually when I upgrade my gpu.


Doesn't matter if it doesn't have wireless built in as I connect to internet with ethernet directly and doesn't matter if it doesn't have bluetooth either as i don't use bluetooth for anything.

I won't be doing any manual overlocking to whatever can be overlocked like RAM, CPU, GPU albecause I don't trust myself to not damage something. If there's automatic options where i can just select a preset overclock for anything i'll do that though.

Here's my build:


PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£281.98 @ Aria PC)
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1 g Thermal Paste (£4.98 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard (£293.91 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£111.41 @ More Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£66.36 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£113.40 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.97 @ Laptops Direct)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£48.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1095.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-12 03:45 GMT+0000

Am I wasting money on that Taichi based on what I've said above? Not entirely sure on what board to go for at all. I don't want to pay a lot of money for a good board that has stuff on it that I won't take advantage of however I don't want to buy a really cheap bad board either because for the parts of the board i will be using i'd like them to be premium if that makes sense as i would like it to be as future proof as possible as i do plan to make upgrades to like the GPU, ram, ssds, CPU in the future.

Thanks. :)
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The seller of your Win 10 key seems fraudulent, look at Amazon reviews, they are all complaining that the key is not working as it was already used. Many fraudulent sellers are on Amazon now sadly. Ebay seems to have less of them now because thiefs don't like PayPal's 6 months dispute policy.
 
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Would I still be able to overclock the ram with xmp profile on the b450 then or seeing as i am using the automatic overclock features go with an x570?

the b450 only supports 1 m2 slot and I wanted to get 2, one for my os, drivers, etc, other one for games.

I think i'd definetly like to go for an x570 board, just don't know out of the x570s which would be best for me
 
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Would I still be able to overclock the ram with xmp profile on the b450 then or seeing as i am using the automatic overclock features go with an x570?

the b450 only supports 1 m2 slot and I wanted to get 2, one for my os, drivers, etc, other one for games.

I think i'd definetly like to go for an x570 board, just don't know out of the x570s which would be best for me
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B450 supports RAM XMP and overclocking. I’ve actually got 3200mhz RAM overclocked to 3600mhz on a Tomahawk Max. The Tomahawk Max supports up to 4133mhz. I do like how tidy M.2 is and you are right about only one. However for gaming only there is nearly no benefit from NVMe over SATA, who really cares about a 3 second difference in loading a game. As before it’s up to you, I just think cheap X570 are a waste of money as cheaper B450’s perform better and if you are not interested in high end overclocking then mid-high end X570 are just not needed. If you go X570 I’m sure you will be happy, I just feel you could save money or invest it elsewhere in your setup.
 
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People talk about vrms on motherboards all the time though not sure what vrms are but are the vrms on the x570s better than the vrms on the b450 though? and i guess i could just go with one nvme then but apparently it also doesn't have a heat spreader whatever that does?
 
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People talk about vrms on motherboards all the time though not sure what it is but are the vrms on the x570s better than the vrms on the b450 though?
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Not necessarily. There are cheap X570 which have worse VRM’s than B450’s. This is an area where the Tomahawk Max that I keep using as an example comes out surprisingly highly especially for its price. There are reviews showing it running the far more power hungry 3950X equally well as a good X570. Also you said you weren’t doing manual overclocking so while you want good VRM’s you don’t need the absolute best, the best is only important for overclocking high end CPU’s like the 3950X.
 
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Haha I see thanks. Well I think you've definetly sold me on going for the tomahawk max then! thankyou everyone for taking the time to suggest me a much better option based on what i will be using the pc for, really appreciate it you're all legends! I could have wasted some money there on a board that would of been pointless for me haha. Sorry for all these questions I'm very new to this I really do appreciate it

Based on what i will be using my computer for,and I'm such a doughnut as you've already seen with the motherboard I originally picked would you change anything else then aswell?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£281.98 @ Aria PC)
Thermal Compound: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut 1g 1 g Thermal Paste (£4.98 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£95.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£111.41 @ More Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£66.36 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£89.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6 GB STRIX GAMING Advanced Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£113.40 @ Alza)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.97 @ Laptops Direct)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit (£48.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £896.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Obviously I need to figure out something with the storage now aswell and the 1660ti has to stay unfortuantly for now because it was a gift at christmas so I can't really replace it yet haha


Will be playing games like mmorpgs such as ffxiv and WoW mainly aswell as action games and rpgs like elder scrolls, dark souls, gta, CoD etc on a 1080p 144hz monitor. and watching stuff on youtube, twitch and talking to friends on voice chat on second monitor, 1440p 60hz. I would like to eventually change main gaming monitor to 1440p 144hz in the future though.
 
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So don't change the ram, cpu, case or psu?

Hmm not sure wether to just go with like a 2tb m2 ssd for more tidyness and just slap everything on that or get 1 500gb m2 then a 1tb sata ssd

On the memory speed list it doesn't list for the tomahawk max it doesn't list 3600mhz on there, does that mean it's not compatible?


Memory Speed
  • DDR4-1866
  • DDR4-2133
  • DDR4-2400
  • DDR4-2666
  • DDR4-2800
  • DDR4-2933
  • DDR4-3000
  • DDR4-3200
  • DDR4-3466
  • DDR4-4000
  • DDR4-4133
 
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So don't change the ram, cpu, case or psu?

Hmm not sure wether to just go with like a 2tb m2 ssd for more tidyness and just slap everything on that or get 1 500gb m2 then a 1tb sata ssd

On the memory speed list it doesn't list for the tomahawk max it doesn't list 3600mhz on there, does that mean it's not compatible?


Memory Speed
  • DDR4-1866
  • DDR4-2133
  • DDR4-2400
  • DDR4-2666
  • DDR4-2800
  • DDR4-2933
  • DDR4-3000
  • DDR4-3200
  • DDR4-3466
  • DDR4-4000
  • DDR4-4133
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If me I’d get an NVMe and SSD, that is what I have in my newest system. It can be easier to manage Windows and programs on a main drive and a games library on another. This is especially helpful if you have to reinstall Windows.

Not sure where you got that speed list for the Tomahawk Max but it definitely lists 3600 https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX/Specification I can also confirm I have my 3200mhz RAM running at 3600.
 
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For your requirements I see no need for anything over a good quality B450 motherboard like the MSI Tomahawk Max (comes 3000 series ready). This motherboard can happily run even a 3950x at stock and easily run a 3700X with PBO enabled. The £200 saved can be invested in a higher end gpu where you will actually see a benefit.
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Was going to post the exact same. Waste of money, I run a 3900x in a b350 (lol) with no issues at all.
 
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Was going to post the exact same. Waste of money, I run a 3900x in a b350 (lol) with no issues at all.
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It's only a waste of money from one perspective. Want fast storage, the option to upgrade to a great Ryzen 4000 cpu. The possibility to get the most out of the PCIe 4 GPU's to come. Want to run the most cores as possible in future? A good x570 could help. I all comes down to personal reasons.

On B350 motherboards they have weak VRM's if I remember correctly and run very hot.
 
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It's only a waste of money from one perspective. Want fast storage, the option to upgrade to a great Ryzen 4000 cpu. The possibility to get the most out of the PCIe 4 GPU's to come. Want to run the most cores as possible in future? A good x570 could help. I all comes down to personal reasons.

On B350 motherboards they have weak VRM's if I remember correctly and run very hot.
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From what the OP has stated he will use the PC for in this respect I feel it would be a waste of about £200 to buy that x570 motherboard, it offers nothing performance wise over a b450 Tomahawk. Sure you can say it's worth it for the pcie 4 and 4000 series support but is a 25% increase on the budget today worth it so that in a years time you can upgrade gpu, cpu and storage?
 
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Was going to PM this but I guess its on topic. The boards have different VRM designs and some of the older motherboards if you take the spreadsheets available online into account. Need more air flow.

b450 Tomahawk is good for 100A core Current at best before you need airflow over the vrm's. That's means
3800X/3700X are fine. 3900X you need minor air flow and 3950X you need major air flow. [1] Not bad if you are upgrading an older system to a 3700x. Not so good getting high boosts out of a 3950x.

Lets take the b350 and a 3900x. The B350I Pro AC is the only board with some air flow over the vrms.[1] A flew require major air flow and most are a no go. I guess if you are careful, you could get away with it. Love the way the MSI website lists the 3950X as supported.

x570 Taichi will not require any extra air flow over the vrm's, not even for the 3950x.

Anyway my two cents.

[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...IVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818 see spreadsheet row 118
 
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Was going to PM this but I guess its on topic. The boards have different VRM designs and some of the older motherboards if you take the spreadsheets available online into account. Need more air flow.

b450 Tomahawk is good for 100A core Current at best before you need airflow over the vrm's. That's means
3800X/3700X are fine. 3900X you need minor air flow and 3950X you need major air flow. [1] Not bad if you are upgrading an older system to a 3700x. Not so good getting high boosts out of a 3950x.

Lets take the b350 and a 3900x. The B350I Pro AC is the only board with some air flow over the vrms.[1] A flew require major air flow and most are a no go. I guess if you are careful, you could get away with it. Love the way the MSI website lists the 3950X as supported.

x570 Taichi will not require any extra air flow over the vrm's, not even for the 3950x.

Anyway my two cents.

[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...IVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=639584818 see spreadsheet row 118
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That's a good table, mine is 171, recommends minor airflow if I overclock, to be honest I dont have a single case fan but my vrms idle at 32°C, hit about 42°C under load and very rarely top 50 °C if I'm benchmarking so maybe I'm just lucky.
 
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