Why are we destroying America?

[Gulli]

But do those students in the "trade school" tier get their test schools used to compare to the rest of the world? They don't. Do they include mentally challenged students who don't go to school in Europe, but are required by law to go to school here?

One of the major reason our test scores are considered low, when compared to the rest of the world is that we include every kids scores.

I'm not even saying your system is bad or wrong, just that our school systems test scores, which is what is used to compare us to the rest of the world, are unfairly handicapped.

Yes, their test scores do get taken in with the international comparisons. People with handicaps do go to school in Europe (and make up only a small amount of students). American schools put more emphasis on sports and all sorts of clubs rather than on academic performances, this could be a real cause of the difference in test scores.

 

[bystander]

Yes, their test scores do get taken in with the international comparisons. People with handicaps do go to school in Europe (and make up only a small amount of students). American schools put more emphasis on sports and all sorts of clubs rather than on academic performances, this could be a real cause of the difference in test scores.

Well, according to those administering those scores, the handicapped aren't, at the least.

But let's say you guys did, there is still one other very large difference as well, that definitely has major impacts on our scores. Our country is an immigrant country. When I went to school, we had a lot of students who couldn't even speak English, and taking taking tests. At my school at least, we had over a hundred students who could barely speak English.

 

[Gulli]

Well, according to those administering those scores, the handicapped aren't, at the least.

But let's say you guys did, there is still one other very large difference as well, that definitely has major impacts on our scores. Our country is an immigrant country. When I went to school, we had a lot of students who couldn't even speak English, and taking taking tests. At my school at least, we had over a hundred students who could barely speak English.

If you think it's any different in Europe you should come over here and take a look inside some schools in the larger cities...

 

[Gulli]

We also had what we called Vocational Technical Education or some such, VoTech to us back in the day. This was actual apprentice level courses for HVAC repair, car mechanic, welder, plumbing, house framer, etc. Real trades. This was for the kids that wanted to do such things for a living or they sucked at academics. Either way they were certified apprentices after completion and all set up to get a job after graduation. Far more advanced than your average high school "shop class".

I know Belgium and the Netherlands have similar programs, I'm pretty sure Germany does too, not sure what other European countries have but I suspect it'll be mostly the same.

 

[dogman_1234]

Some will go to a local CC and get college credits plus a possible AA in a transfer degree. This is true for pretty much a lot of the rest of the US. Places in the North, South, Est and West. I think it is a bright idea.

 

[bystander]

I personally like the idea of actually trade school education myself. In the USA, we have a lot of students with no desire to learn from text books, but if you taught them real life skills, they'd likely take it more serious.