Discussion Why aren't there any new SATA SSD drives?

[WrongRookie]

Sure, NVMe is around and I get that motherboards having 4 m.2 slots are cool but they also have SATA ports as well and if you have a motherboard with no more M.2 Slots, you either have to use an adapter or go with SATA SSDs

So with the potential market being there, why aren't there any brand new SATA SSDs like a possible SATA IV with Samsung 880?

 

[USAFRet]

Sure, NVMe is around and I get that motherboards having 4 m.2 slots are cool but they also have SATA ports as well and if you have a motherboard with no more M.2 Slots, you either have to use an adapter or go with SATA SSDs

So with the potential market being there, why aren't there any brand new SATA SSDs like a possible SATA IV with Samsung 880?

The SATA III bus is maxed out.
Something "SATA IV" would simply be an intermediary between SATA III and the current NVMe offerings.

I don't see much need for that.

Given 1 or 2 M.2 ports and NVMe drives, any other use on the system can easily be handles with current SATA III speed.


And as it is currently, a LOT of people and use cases can;t tell the difference between SATA III SSD and M.2 NVMe SSD.

 

[WrongRookie]

The SATA III bus is maxed out.
Something "SATA IV" would simply be an intermediary between SATA III and the current NVMe offerings.

I don't see much need for that.

Given 1 or 2 M.2 ports and NVMe drives, any other use on the system can easily be handles with current SATA III speed.


And as it is currently, a LOT of people and use cases can;t tell the difference between SATA III SSD and M.2 NVMe SSD.

Ok..so then why aren't manufacturers like...giving us new SATA SSD drives? I'm not seeing much of SATA SSDs even on TomsHardware. Surely manufacturers at least are aware of the demand of them right?

 

[USAFRet]

Ok..so then why aren't manufacturers like...giving us new SATA SSD drives? I'm not seeing much of SATA SSDs even on TomsHardware. Surely manufacturers at least are aware of the demand of them right?

Define "new".

A newly bought Samsung 870 EVO runs no faster than a several year old Samsung 840 EVO.

They are upping the capacities, though.
4 and 8TB, where before that was unheard of.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

Why aren't there any new SATA SSD drives?
a possible SATA IV

SATAe or 'SATA Express' is the next standard which has been developed and available for quite some time.

either have to use an adapter or go with SATA SSDs

USB 3.2 offers many other options for maxing your SATA III disk speeds.

i wouldn't call a dock or an external enclosure just an 'adapter'.

why aren't manufacturers like...giving us new SATA SSD drives?..

manufacturers at least are aware of the demand of them right?

there are hundreds of available 2.5" SSDs from any online retailer,
many on the shelves of any electronics or computer hardware store you may visit.

i don't know where you're looking but there are enough out there to last the entire world for a LONG time.

 

[WrongRookie]

Define "new".

New as in...Samsung 880 Evo?

USB 3.2 offers many other options for maxing your SATA III disk speeds.

i wouldn't call a dock or an external enclosure just an 'adapter'.

I meant the adapter that you need to use to insert an NVMe drive incase the M.2 Slot is not there or not enough. Still I'm not aware that you can use USB 3.2 to hook up a SATA III internally. What do I need to do that?

i don't know where you're looking but there are enough out there to last the entire world for a LONG time.

I mostly look at TomsHardware for latest reviews on SSD but most of the time, NVMe is covered. My local area doesn't have much of SATA SSDs except the likes of Samsung Evo 870 and Crucial MX500

 

[USAFRet]

New as in...Samsung 880 Evo?

The 870 EVO and QVO came out in June 2020.
An "880" might eventually happen, but it wouldn't bring any new performance to the table.

Or, if you want to believe what I think is Russian labeling...

Which, by that model number, is actually an 870 EVO.

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[hotaru.hino]

I mostly look at TomsHardware for latest reviews on SSD but most of the time, NVMe is covered. My local area doesn't have much of SATA SSDs except the likes of Samsung Evo 870 and Crucial MX500

There really isn't much more to improve on in the storage space other than performance, and maybe some features that users may or may not care about. Since SATA based SSDs have maxed out in performance since forever ago, what could you add in terms of features to make a new generation of product? I think the biggest thing the 870 added over the 860 was hardware based encryption. But after that, what else is there?

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I meant the adapter that you need to use to insert an NVMe drive incase the M.2 Slot is not there or not enough

if you mean a PCIe adapter card; that is only needed if you didn't plan your build accordingly.
i went through the same situation with 6x SATA III ports being maxed out many years ago.
just means it's time to upgrade your hardware.

has nothing at all to do with technology development.

not aware that you can use USB 3.2 to hook up a SATA III internally. What do I need to do that?

an external enclosure or using a dock, as i stated.

 

[WrongRookie]

There really isn't much more to improve on in the storage space other than performance, and maybe some features that users may or may not care about. Since SATA based SSDs have maxed out in performance since forever ago, what could you add in terms of features to make a new generation of product? I think the biggest thing the 870 added over the 860 was hardware based encryption. But after that, what else is there?

Well there's soon PLC nand to come out and that is sure to rival Hard Drives

 

[Co BIY]

I mostly look at TomsHardware for latest reviews on SSD but most of the time, NVMe is covered. My local area doesn't have much of SATA SSDs except the likes of Samsung Evo 870 and Crucial MX500

Those two are solid performers and they basically max out what can be done with SATAIII.

I've had three MX500s with no complaints.

For the manufacturers these are commodity level products at this point reliability and performance are a given. Price is the only competitive point reducing margins. No fat margins = no marketing.

 

[hotaru.hino]

Well there's soon PLC nand to come out and that is sure to rival Hard Drives

In terms of what? TB/$?

SSDs still have a lot of catching up to do and I don't think a new way to store charge is going to magically give us affordable 20 TB drives.