Why is my PC so bad!?

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Everything runs terribly, Please without being TOO uber complicated can you help me identify the problem with my PC ill give you all the details i know...


GTX 1070. 750w PSU

I7-6700K

DDR4 RAM, 256GB SSD

z170 pro gaming motherboard... DVI cable connected to GPU..

60hz limited monitor i think? And i have windows 7 pro.

What the [strike]hell[/strike] heck is eating up my preformence, I always see youtubers with probably the same specs running stuff like butter, But i am still here tying to get 60 fps on fallout new vegas, PLEASE HELP ME...
 
1) I easily get 60FPS at 1920x1080, max settings on a far weaker system (i7-3770K + GTX680).

2) Not sure of what's wrong. I'll think on it.

3) You should enable "ifpsclamp=60" in the main ini file. Google for help. I don't know how it will affect monitors that are not 60Hz. Also, may not be need if you have a GSYNC monitor which you apparently do not have.

This makes the game far smoother.

 
I would start with:

1) DDU
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html

then

2) Start installing latest NVidia drivers but choose "custom" then "clean" install path

3) Run 3DMark2001 and see what your score is for the default benchmark. I get about 70,000 and can run FNV as said no problem. You should be far above this. 200,000? I don't know as it depends how much is the CPU but it is a rough indication of whether there is something fundamentally wrong with the hardware and software.

https://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/legacy

(I suggest running before AND after reinstalling your drivers)
 
It's a good idea to use HWMonitor or another temperature monitoring software to see what your temps are. If the CPU cooler isn't on right, the CPU will throttle to protect from overheating damage and that will reduce performance greatly.

What CPU cooler do you have?
 

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Depending on your knowledge of PC building, check to see if your cooler is seated properly or have someone check for you.
For example, Intel stock coolers are enough for normal use but their retention system is notoriously bad. You might think you've inserted all 4 clips correctly but maybe one is not locked in place properly.
 
1) CPU:
For the CPU, simply run the Intel CPU diagnostic.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/19792/Intel-Processor-Diagnostic-Tool

If you had an issue related to severe CPU performance drop it should show up here. It stresses all threads to 100% and monitors temperature, looks for throttling, no data corruption etc.

It will run at DEFAULT CPU settings, so if you overclocked it will temporarily go back to default (until a reboot). However, I would stay at default if you overclocked anyway for now until the issue is solved (or stay there permanently. Overclocking arguably gives little real-world gaming benefit anyway)

2) I DOUBT it's a CPU issue.

IMO it's most likely a GPU or GPU driver issue, if other games or benchmarks are affected.

3) If it's only FNV then it's a game issue.

4) *IMPORTANT* so you need to run a simple BENCHMARK or two to determine where you sit. I suggest starting with UNIGINE VALLEY http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2016/06/21/asus-geforce-gtx-1070-strix-review/10

Use the EXACT same settings. You should get very close to this. If working properly your results will only vary depending on CPU overclock, GPU overclock, or possibly some other issue but those are most likely.

5) CPU usage alternative:
Run PRIME95 with Task Manager running. It's a heavy stress test and runs the CPU much hotter than normal gaming. If it doesn't throttle here, it isn't going to elsewhere.

In TM, have it set to "Performance-> CPU", and when P95 hits full usage you should see:
a) EIGHT GRAPHS running about 100% usage (right-click if one graph and change to "logical processors"), and also
b) roughly 4.2GHz for the CPU (Max Turbo is 4.4GHz default if you have not overclocked. I think full load turbo is about 4.2GHz, possibly closer to 4.1GHz)

So if this is true your CPU is fine.

6) GPU alternative:
Run any game benchmark while having a utility such as MSI Afterburner displaying the current GPU frequency. You should be seeing over 1700MHz, possibly over 1900MHz depending on the card and whether you overclock.

Your card is roughly 2.5X more powerful than mine and I rarely drop below 60FPS in Fallout NV. You can probably hit close to 200FPS depending on how much CPU bottleneck exists (and if you have any MOD issues).

*So if the GPU can hit the proper FREQUENCY, and the CPU can hit the proper frequency, yet other games and other benchmarks are still incorrect we're probably looking at a software issue. Video drivers or some other Microsoft software (if really stumped do a reinstall of Windows but it's a last resort).

You can even do an in-place Upgrade of Windows 10. Or if you have a spare drive install W10 after creating the install media. (I won't explain either unless it's necessary) Let it do its updates then install the latest NVidia driver. During clean install I would:
a) have no other drive cables attached to avoid accidental erasure
b) don't put in a key when prompted
c) don't activate if prompted

7) If it turns out it is GAME specific, then
a) VERIFY the local game content (if Steam)
b) Have no mods running
c) If you have multiple mods, and CPU/GPU is working normally in tests, then DELETE the game, then REINSTALL it. Test the local content again, and if good make a BACKUP of the game so you can delete and restore this later without downloading again.
d) If FPS is working now (which should be about 60FPS) you can disable VSYNC to test how high above 60FPS you are if you want, but really as long as "ifpsclamp=60" produces a stable 60FPS on a 60Hz monitor things should be fine.
e) if that works out, then look at the best mods such as unofficial patch update, texture updates etc.

Other:
Run Memtest86 some time. It's not going to reduce game performance below 60FPS with your specs even at 4K for Fallout NV (with no extreme graphic mods). You should run if you have never done so even with no obvious problems. www.memtest86.com

Create DVD or USB. Change BIOS boot order if need be to boot to it. Use default settings. Should take roughly 30 minutes per 8GB. Run a "full pass" or until errors.
 
If you get it working without mods, here is a list you can ignore if you want but it has worked fine for me.

1) First, apply the ifpsclamp as discussed. I think it's in this path:
C:\Users\usernamehere\Documents\my games\FalloutNV

I just found it in the "Fallout.ini" file. Click "File-Find" and search for "ifpsclamp", then change it from a ZERO I think it is to "60".

It's also in "Fallout_default. ini" in the game install folder. I forget which one did the trick, so just do both. I think one overwrites the other anyway.

2) I think there are uGRID tweaks which can help (or hurt if too much) and other tweaks in the INI file but leave those for last since high resolution texture mods will change things. Find a good site, then apply a few at a time.

Have a backup of the INI made first.

I did reinstall this game plus mods in 2015 but I don't remember everything I did exactly.

3) Install the 4GB file. http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55061/?

This involves creating a SHORTCUT too it, and launching from the shortcut. This helps avoid some crashes with high mod usage if the memory amount goes too high. Not sure if helps otherwise, though in theory you may get a memory leak where memory keeps getting filled. So the longer you run the game, the more likely some of Bethesa games seem to crash.

I made a shortcut to the main EXE in the game folder, but the clicked it and had it open with the START menu.

I just see that it appears to be available through NMM, though looking at the file upload date it is IDENTICAL to the one I manually downloaded elsewhere. However note it is a MANUAL download only. Basically download here or elsewhere, copy into your main folder, LINK to it and use that new shortcut.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55061/?

4) NVSE
*At least one of the mods requires NVSE to be installed. Here: http://nvse.silverlock.org/

5) I suggest Nexus Mod Manager if you are unaware: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/?

You can SEARCH for the ones I suggest. Add others (i.e. "Files-> Top Files). READ the install instructions carefully. I see no evidence that I installed "FOMM" (Fallout Mod Manager). Some mods may use it, but I just use Nexus Mod Manager. None of my mods appear to use anything else.

I'll give my list, but you should be running reasonably SMOOTH (after ifpsclamp) with no major issues right now. Again, apply a few at a time, backup the INI first.

Some mods may require specific DLC. Read carefully. I have:

- YUP (Yukichigai's Unofficial Patch)
- SomeguySeries
- YUP - NPC fixes
- The Mod Configuration Menu
- Vurt's WFO
- New Vegas Bounties I, II and III
- EVE FNV - Essential Video Enhancements
- New Vegas Stutter Remover*
- NMCs Texture Pack for New Vegas ( you could run the HIGH version )
- PipBoy 3000 HD Retexture - Standard PC version
- Wasteland Flora Overhaul
- Weapon Retexture Project

5) INI tweaks. Example only:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/2xhx97/a_graphical_and_technical_ini_tweaking_guide_to/

*The stutter mod did not help the severe STUTTERING. Only ifpsclamp helped, and believe me I spent a massive amount of time investigating this. I still applied it since it sounded like it may help remove some stutter or crashing. I'm not sure if it helps, but things didn't run any worse.

6) MOD issues:
a) I had issues with Nevada Skies. I think it gave annoying sand storms which prevented me from seeing for too long of a period.

b) I did install "MTUI" (currently #23 of recommended mods in NMM page), however I do not see it listed in NMM. It is a MANUAL install though so I probably did manually place it according to the instructions. There may be OTHER mods I did not list, though if so not very many.

There are many other MODS as well you prefer, but that's what I settled on for myself. Probably a better weather mod would be nice. Maybe darker nights plus a personal light or something but at some point I gave up as a new mod might make things worse.

Playing for 30+ hours only go have crashing you can't explain sucks. I know it was a mod issue, but never figured it out and again simply REMOVING a mod may not be possible without restarting the game.

Finally, play around and figure out your MODS before starting a new game. Some mods can mess things up if you already have a SAVE and some game progression.

7) Other stuff:
a) LOOT (load order)
b) CLEANING (i.e FNVEDIT)
c) other

I'll leave that for you to investigate. Cleaning can be a huge hassle and beyond the scope of this. I can't remember if I needed to with my final mod choices. I think I did though I don't know if it was necessary.
 
update:
I can't get FNV to run.. it's the ONLY game out of several hundred. It ran fine a few months ago.

I have now reinstalled the game from a Vanilla backup. No mods. No old saves. I verified the install. It updates two files, but still fails immediately after the intro cut scene.

It's got to be an issue with Windows or my NVidia drivers. Trying to find out which.

POSSIBLY this is related to your performance issue?

Basically prove you can perform in other games and software. Play other games if they work fine. I'll update this if I discover the cause, though I don't have poor performance. I just have crashing.
 

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CLOSE this post if done with it.
(You copied my post but there is no response viewable)

You need to test OTHER games or benchmarks to see where you stand.

As I've said, FNV and F3 seem to be hosed for some people. They're unplayable for me now and I can't fix. Other games using GFWL do work. Both games worked for years until a few months ago (give or take).

Only a very FEW games and programs are problematic for me.
 


A recent change affects Windows 10 users. NVidia had to change their drivers to correspond, but due to how Bethesda coded the EXE things don't work for:
1) Fallout 3, and
2) Fallout NV

The only current solution is to go back to NVidia driver version 368.81.

I did this by:
a) DDU http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
b) install 368.81

I did that and those two games work again. NVidia is aware, but it appears that Bethesda would have to redo their EXE file and update that via Steam (or non-Steam update) to get this working with the new drivers.

Yes, it's a change NVidia made but it exploits the nature of the way Bethesda did their code which was possibly not conforming to guidelines but did work until now. (They also have other weird coding issues such as VSYNC stutter requiring ifpsclamp fix... just strange.)
 

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What monitor are you using?
 
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