Why is the 9800NP in the $300+ section of the FAQ

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I said something along these lines awhile back about the 9800nonpro.. I just ordered one from pricewatch for $240 including shipping.

The response I got was "its considered high end"... SO?!?

This would easily make it the king of the midrange on that FAQ.

Though my card has not arrived, I am tempted to buy another because its a great deal.. just watch out for the SE models.
Then both my girlfriend and I can joyfully game with 9800s. :tongue:

Also worth mentioning is the arrival of 5900nonultras on pricewatch from evga for the same price, should smoke the 9800NPs but I havent seen any benchies.

The 9800NP is the new 4200

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Did you check out the new Tomb Raider DX9 benches?

How does your judgement of nVidia feel NOW?

Check out TKS' thread and Sargeduck's for the original one. nVidia has greatly gone down.

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eden

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Oh and yes, I agree with you, this card should be considered mainstream if anything. High-end? You got the 256MB useless one and the 9800PRO!

Oh well, the FAQ writers will change it, trust me, they won't say no to a Forum hooker. :wink:

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Forum hooker?

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Nevermind Kinney, I didn't entirely read TKS' thread to see you there posting.

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Thx :smile:
I don't consider myself a NV or ATI fanboy.. and I've always stood by that notion. Its compatibility, then price performance.
NV might have whatever flaws, but they are still probably the most stable, compatible thing out there. Thing, is ATI has to be much closer than they used to be in that area with all this ATI love I'm feeling and now have exponentially better price/performance.

I'm SOOOoooooO tempted to order another 9800NP.
I hope they last me through the DX9 era, but my best guesstimate points towards yes as they have an abundance of power today. While performing fine in what is going to be the supreme standard of the era, the Doom 3 engine.

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Its compatibility, then price performance.

so youd take a 5200nonultra (dx9 compatibility) over a ti4200?

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Isn't the term "mainstream" synonomous with the low-end market? I doubt that standard PCs will be soll with a 9800 nonpro to the average Joe-blow user. In fact, they'll be lucky if get equipped with anything higher than a GeForce FX 5200 on a standard system configuration. Most Dells are still sold with the *cough* GeForce4 MX440 the last time I checked, and that was considered a "mainstream" component. Now I would consider the 9800 at least a mid-range component because it is fairly high-end.

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kinney

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Heh, nice one.

Game compatibility/stability... not API support.

Gfx glitches or errors are probably due to bad driver support, not lack of the newest API hardware specifications in your hardware.


But if what you proposed WAS true, and a GFFX played a game that a 4200 could not play, yes I would take the card that worked.. who the hell wouldnt.

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That will be a while before that actually happens though. Half-Life 2 is scalable all the way down to Direct X 6 Part meaning that the game should even run on a 32 meg TNT2!! (With horrendous framerate though of course).

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Actually a TNT2 (non m64) should play HL2 at 800x600 with reasonable frame rates, as long as you turn off all the features (no details). Hehe, but that would still be playable.

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Crash likes to look at the bottom of the barrel, hehe.

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Actually last time I checked, mainstream meant the mid-range.

Low-end is called budget.
High-end is the Enthusiast market.

So I don't think I was far off the mainstream call on the 9800NP. It DOES have 2 grades above it, enough to be scaled one market level down.

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I always heard of the old GeForce2 MX being called "mainstream" back in its day though. That was the firstime I ever remembered hearing the term "mainstream" being applied to a graphics card, so when I think of mainstream an image of GeForce2 MX immediately pops into my head. GeForce2 MX debuted at $150 didn't it? Well, then again, I suppose $150 is touching on the borderline of mid-range & budget so I guess you could call it which ever one you preferred since it was right at the edge.

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Here is where I got the most concrete proof. It can be found all around the web though, however I chose ATi's official word on mid-range=mainstream.

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Thanks for the D/L Eden, I'll be sure to take a look at the material tonight.

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I figured it was something like DX6, 5 mustve still been software 2D only?

IIRC a DX5 game was something like Virtua Fighter for Win95..

6 wouldve been Q2 and HL, of course.

My memory is still clear on the DX7 era. :smile:

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