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I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there is
any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.

As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of the
CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the potential
gains or not?
 
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NO......... A majority do it to squeeze out a few more points while
running benchmark programs to out do thier buddy.


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Xavier Sartre wrote:
> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm
> just about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if
> there is any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or
> not.
>
> As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of
> the CPU and/or components in the machine.

Load of rubbish.
Absolute load of rubbish.
It's not voltage or speed that shortens CPU life, it's HEAT.
Get good cooling and you'll be fine.
Unless of course, the idea's a little bit too scarey.


Is it worth doing for the
> potential gains or not?
 
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Hawkeye wrote:
> NO......... A majority do it to squeeze out a few more points while
> running benchmark programs to out do thier buddy.

You clearly don't overclock, then.
Which might indicate a victory of ignorance over common knowlege.

The gains are enormous.
In everyday computing, overclocking the FSB makes things a LOT zippier -
menu responses, IE loading and a bunch of other stuff.

To correct your original mispresumption, it's not about benchies.
People o/c in order to run demanding games at an acceptable frame rate - so
it doesn't look like a slideshow.

Better to STFU, than to hypothesise on subjects you don't understand.
 
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Better to STFU and KMFA than to assume I dont know more than I posted.
I guess you children spending mom and dads money need to overclock
your slow arse systems.




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Hawkeye wrote:
> Better to STFU and KMFA than to assume I dont know more than I posted.
> I guess you children spending mom and dads money need to overclock
> your slow arse systems.

Temper temper.
From which I assume I hit home.
You don't o/c, do you ?
I have a nice system - prolly worth more than your house cost.
It'll get 30K in 3DMk01 - but if you're calling that slow, then I guess
maybe I'm out of my league here.
 
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Xavier Sartre wrote:

> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
> about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there is
> any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.
>
> As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of the
> CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the potential
> gains or not?

If you want a stable system then don't overclock. If you like the idea
of tweaking and playing around with memory/voltage etc settings then go
for it. You can get considerable gains OCing but sometimes it does take
time and effert.

Their is little or no reduction of life on componentes if you are sensible.

Ash.
 
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Ashley Pride wrote:
> Xavier Sartre wrote:
>
>> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm
>> just about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know
>> if there is any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it
>> or not. As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life
>> of
>> the CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the
>> potential gains or not?
>
> If you want a stable system then don't overclock.

O/c'ing isn't incompatibile with stability.

If you like the idea
> of tweaking and playing around with memory/voltage etc settings then
> go for it. You can get considerable gains OCing but sometimes it does
> take time and effert.
>
> Their is little or no reduction of life on componentes if you are
> sensible.
> Ash.
 
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Forum User wrote:

>>If you want a stable system then don't overclock.
>
>
> O/c'ing isn't incompatibile with stability.

Forum, looks like I accidently deleted some text - meant to have said

If you want a stable system without much effort the don't overclock

Ash.
 
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Why overclock?

Many do it to get free speed.

A certain cpu core may be used in all the various speed models, so they buy
a "slow" one and bump it up to its true capabilities.

It's true that the cpus may be tested and the ones that are more suitable
for the highest speeds used in those models. But even then, applying a
little extra voltage can take the "inferior" ones up to par.

Thus, overclocking can save up to hundreds of dollars.
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Mostly the point to overclocking,for me anyway, is to buy a cheaper,slower
CPU and run it to the highest it will go.
I have my A64 2800+ that cost $140(6 months ago) running at almost 2.2ghz. I
think that puts it between 3200+ and 3400+ which is still around $200.


"Xavier Sartre" <spamtrap@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
> about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there is
> any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.
>
> As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of the
> CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the potential
> gains or not?
 
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"Xavier Sartre" <spamtrap@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ccfcaa5d9418b6b989694@news.wanadoo.fr...
> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
> about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there is
> any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.

Nope. Lots o' fun, though :)
 
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Forum User wrote:
> Hawkeye wrote:
>> NO......... A majority do it to squeeze out a few more points while
>> running benchmark programs to out do thier buddy.
>
> You clearly don't overclock, then.
> Which might indicate a victory of ignorance over common knowlege.
>
> The gains are enormous.
> In everyday computing, overclocking the FSB makes things a LOT
> zippier - menu responses, IE loading and a bunch of other stuff.
>
> To correct your original mispresumption, it's not about benchies.
> People o/c in order to run demanding games at an acceptable frame
> rate - so it doesn't look like a slideshow.
>
> Better to STFU, than to hypothesise on subjects you don't understand.

I think what Hawkeye meant was, how much faster do you *need* a 3800 to run!
If a game looks like a slide-show on one of them, it's probably Doom 4.
 
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Xavier Sartre wrote:
> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm
> just about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if
> there is any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or
> not.

With a 3800+, probably not much benefit. You're buying close to the top of
the speed range, so to get a significant gain you're going to have to work
reasonably hard at it. Except for performance records (which if you were
after, you wouldn't be asking if it was worth it or not :) ), most
overclocking is done to get the low-in-the-speed-range chips closer up to
the top. Taking a 3000+ to 3800+ level or so. Or getting faster memory and
increasing the available memory bandwidth (though in general this does not
have as big of an impact as cranking up the CPU speed). For example, for my
main system, I have a two XP2500's at 2.1GHz. The total cost for both CPUs
was less than the cost of a single MP2800 CPU at the time. There is a
noticable performance increase going from 1.8GHz to 2.1GHz (I do a fair bit
of POVRAY work, which is more or less linear with regard to CPU performance,
and software development, which likes extra CPU grunt as well), especially
since I also pushed the FSB from 133MHz to 140MHz. Oh, and I can still drop
my VCore to 1.475V which keeps everything nice and cool and quiet.

As for lifespan ... if your computer is Prime95 stable and you're not going
to extreme voltages or cooling, then the effect on lifespan is going to be
minimal. As in it might die by the time it's 100 times slower than the
cheapest available CPU, as opposed to lasting until it's 120 times slower.
In either case, it's probably either going to get killed by an accident
(dropping your machine carting it to a LAN game, cat using it as a litter
box, etc etc) or be so obsolete by the time it dies that you're not going to
worry about it unless you're like me and keep ancient computers around for
historical interest :)

[...]

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Thanks, everyone, for replying. There's certainly food for thought.

I'm coming round to the opinion that, for me at least, overclocking won't
be necessary right away. I'll wait until I need a little extra speed and
then look into it again. Given the pace of change in the software market,
that's likely to be sooner rather than later...

One thing that struck me while looking around at websites dedicated to
overclocking is how extreme some people are. I suppose that's not really
a revelation, it happens in all fields. But I couldn't see the point of
spending weeks or months converting parts of an old fridge to cool a chip
which must, by the time the new cooling is installed, have drifted
towards the bottom of the manufacturer's product range. If I were 20
years younger, single and without kids and with plenty of free time, I
could see how much fun that would be though. :)

Thanks again!
 
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"Xavier Sartre" <spamtrap@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> Thanks, everyone, for replying. There's certainly food for thought.
>
> I'm coming round to the opinion that, for me at least, overclocking won't
> be necessary right away. I'll wait until I need a little extra speed and
> then look into it again. Given the pace of change in the software market,
> that's likely to be sooner rather than later...
>
> One thing that struck me while looking around at websites dedicated to
> overclocking is how extreme some people are. I suppose that's not really
> a revelation, it happens in all fields. But I couldn't see the point of
> spending weeks or months converting parts of an old fridge to cool a chip
> which must, by the time the new cooling is installed, have drifted
> towards the bottom of the manufacturer's product range. If I were 20
> years younger, single and without kids and with plenty of free time, I
> could see how much fun that would be though. :)
>
> Thanks again!
>
>

Keep in mind the best part of O'clocking is to buy cutting edge & obtain
bleeding edge speeds without the premium cost you are paying.
If you buy bleeding edge there usually is not alot of room left for
O'clocking.
 
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:17:03 +0200, Xavier Sartre
<spamtrap@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

>Thanks, everyone, for replying. There's certainly food for thought.
>
>I'm coming round to the opinion that, for me at least, overclocking won't
>be necessary right away. I'll wait until I need a little extra speed and
>then look into it again. Given the pace of change in the software market,
>that's likely to be sooner rather than later...
>
>One thing that struck me while looking around at websites dedicated to
>overclocking is how extreme some people are. I suppose that's not really
>a revelation, it happens in all fields. But I couldn't see the point of
>spending weeks or months converting parts of an old fridge to cool a chip
>which must, by the time the new cooling is installed, have drifted
>towards the bottom of the manufacturer's product range. If I were 20
>years younger, single and without kids and with plenty of free time, I
>could see how much fun that would be though. :)
>
>Thanks again!
>
>

oh jeez why make such a big deal out it. overclocking got a bad name
back when morons were overclocking their PCI buses.

Yeah, no salesman in the business is going to suggest you pay less
money and get the same performance.

Today's good motherboards have the ability to lock the appropriate
buses at the correct speeds and still overclock your CPU.

Manufacturers charge ridiculous prices for faster cpu's but also
market cheap cpus that can be overclocked to the same speeds.
See the E core Sempron reviews for a cheap CPU that can fly.

They're taking the gullible and the ignorant for a ride but also
taking the money available from the kids that want to purchase a
capable computer with little financial resources.
 
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:08:34 -0400, Hawkeye <Hawkeye__59@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>Better to STFU and KMFA than to assume I dont know more than I posted.
>I guess you children spending mom and dads money need to overclock
>your slow arse systems.


plonky donk
 
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It realy comes down to an equation, or two.
It takes some time, and time is money. The less your time is actualy worth,
the more benefitial it should be.
There is the additional cooling that is often required, which may or may not
add additional direct cost. As a previous poster suggested, you may modify
an old otherwise worthless, refrigeration unit for the purpose. But you
then need to refer to the "time is money" component again.
System stability may, or may not be not a serious issue, again this is
largely dependant on your individual "time is money" component. Stability
is often not a problem. However, "often not a problem" also implies
"sometimes is", so we must again probabilistically refer to the "time is
money" component. The otherwise worthless refrigeration unit must also be
considered in the "stability" component if it is to be incorporated into the
system.

Now, if I could afford the time, I could do a statistical analysis of the
added probability of system failure. Then by calculating the probable time
required (without regard to the inevitable actual monetary cost of a failed
component) to repaire the failure, or failures, I could factor in an
individuals actual, or percieved, hourly value, but this would not be
accurate as it hasn't actualy taken all factors into consideration.

Some would argue that without regard to the previously mentioned
considerations, "overlocking" can be fun. Now, fun should arguabley have a
"time is money" value. This may not be so easy to convert directly to a
monetary value, unless of course you actualy earn your living while having
fun. In this case, it would be quite unlikely that your occupation actualy
involves your using a computer to any great extent. It's far more likely
that you would be involved in some sort of "humanities" activity. "Prison
guard" being the first example that comes to my mind. Some may also argue
that the having fun part of this consideration is so subjective that to
calculate it's true "time is money" value would in itself actualy add
intrinsic nuances that may make the calculation incalculable. IE. What if
it is actualy "fun" to do the calculations? In this case the value of the
calculation's fun component must be continualy included as long as the
calculation is taking place. Something that most people, on the basis of
"time is money", could not realy afford to consider. This immediately
implies that it is actualy not possible to include the "fun" component
without inadvertantly incorporating infinately recuring fun components, for
"some people".

You also need to factor in the performance gained, with due regard to the
primary function of the modified machine.

The above probably only includes a primary subset of all the possible
factors necessary to perform a relatively course consideration of the
'cost\gain' analysis of "overclocking". It implies that there are indeed
many things to consider if a truly accurate assesment is to be undertaken.
It may also indicate that the author must include a relatively small "time
is money" component in his own calculations, or, that he was having "fun"
and has thereof derived a profit from the reader which may or may not have
had an inherent reciprocal "fun" return for the reader. If the author was
of the opinion that the second case ("may not") was the more likely there is
an apparent likelyhood that his reference to "prison guard" may subliminaly
indicate that he is perhaps well suited to such an occupation.

Taking time to consider the possible costs\merits of "overclocking" can be a
rather expensive excersise for some, that must also be factored into the
final 'cost\benefit' analysis. Remeber, "time is money".

HTH
Vince Morgan
 
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Why climb Mount Everest?


"Xavier Sartre" <spamtrap@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
> about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there is
> any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.
>
> As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of the
> CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the potential
> gains or not?
 
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Being right on the clock might be reassuring, but think of all the time
you'll waste -- it really adds up.


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"Jim Hauser" <jim@jdhauser.com> wrote in message
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> Why climb Mount Everest?

Yah, um why?
 
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Oh,like my A64 2800+@2.2ghz running at 48C that hasn't frozen or crashed
since ?I got it six months ago?

"Ashley Pride" <ashleypride@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Xavier Sartre wrote:
>
> > I'm new to this sort of thing, so please excuse me for asking. I'm just
> > about to buy and Athlon 64 3800+ machine and I wanted to know if there
is
> > any benefit in overclocking it from the moment I get it or not.
> >
> > As far as i understand, overclocking is liable to reduce the life of the
> > CPU and/or components in the machine. Is it worth doing for the
potential
> > gains or not?
>
> If you want a stable system then don't overclock. If you like the idea
> of tweaking and playing around with memory/voltage etc settings then go
> for it. You can get considerable gains OCing but sometimes it does take
> time and effert.
>
> Their is little or no reduction of life on componentes if you are
sensible.
>
> Ash.