Why the new ATI series are so cheap???

[santa2142]

I cant belive what I see, ATI new video card series cheaper than older ones, the 5770 is arround 170USD and the 4870 or 4890 are around 200USD, what happened, whats the problem with them, I have my 260gtx one year old, and it cost me 240 USD, would it be a good idea to change it for the new ati???

 

[Aloid]

The thing about the 5770 is currently on average due to lack of DX11 games the 5770 is out performed by the 4770 but the 5850 is an extremely solid card for the price and well worth the money
Edit: woops I meant 4870 sorry about that

 

[Bluescreendeath]

The $160 5770 performs equal to a 4870, which costs $150. And the $110 5750 performs equal to a 4850, which costs around $100.

 

[alikum]

@Aloid

Did you mean 5770 outperformed by 4870?

@santa2142

First, ATI has had a die shrink since 4770. Skills and efficiency improves with time and technology. Also, a die shrink would mean lower production cost, although the amount spent on R&D can certainly make up for the reduction in cost. Not to mention economy of scale.

Secondly, the way I see it, ATI is still charging a premium for all its 5000 cards since our beloved green team still does not have theirs out yet. When GT300 comes out, ATI can definitely slash prices like crazy and go on war against them.
The HD4800 came out cheap because nVidia's cards were already in the market. Hence, the only thing ATI could do was to aim for value for money.

However, they are not cheap. Look at 5800 series. They go above $200 where in reality, they should be around the same price (or perhaps slightly higher) as the 4800 series since they are aimed at replacing the 4800 lineup.

 

[yannifb]

The $160 5770 performs equal to a 4870, which costs $150. And the $110 5750 performs equal to a 4850, which costs around $100.

Yes but the 57xx series are A) 40nm B) dx 11) c) able to do eye finity

 

[Aloid]

Dual 5770s just perform below a 4870x2
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1105/5/
But are a better deal and lower heat output and DX11

 

[santa2142]

Ok, but how abbout compatibility problems, I've heard a lot of complains with the 4870 since it came out, and I never used ATI ,except for my moms old PC with a 9250 and it sucked XD. I trust Nvidia, despite the very high price I love them

 

[ragsters]

Ok, but how abbout compatibility problems, I've heard a lot of complains with the 4870 since it came out, and I never used ATI ,except for my moms old PC with a 9250 and it sucked XD. I trust Nvidia, despite the very high price I love them

Well, numbers don't lie.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

First, ATI has had a die shrink since 4770.

Nope, die is bigger, process is same. 😗
Only if you meant the 4870 would that be correct.

Secondly, the way I see it, ATI is still charging a premium for all its 5000 cards since our beloved green team still does not have theirs out yet.

Ok that comment would seem to indicate you meant the 4770 for the case the OP finds himself in.

However, they are not cheap. Look at 5800 series. They go above $200 where in reality, they should be around the same price (or perhaps slightly higher) as the 4800 series since they are aimed at replacing the 4800 lineup.

Same current price or same launch price?
There are the same launch price, and there's no way the 5800 series should be the same current price.


Anywhooo, pricing of old versus new has less to do with ATi than AIBs/OEMs where they clear stock and maximize return of remaining old parts; ATi primarily sells them the original chip/GPU and the OEMs the work to maximize their profits after that. It's like anyone clearing old inventory to make way for new. You don't want just pennies for parts, but you also don't want to pay overhead to keep inventory.

 

[Bluescreendeath]

Yes but the 57xx series are A) 40nm B) dx 11) c) able to do eye finity

A & B yep
C = ? 😵

 

[yannifb]

A & B yep
C = ? 😵

Lol your right i dont think eyefinity people would do that on the weaker cards

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Lol your right i dont think eyefinity people would do that on the weaker cards

... Because 6 monitors on a 5870 is easier than 3 on a 5770?

I think you'll see a bunch of people use it, just like they did with the TH2Go on cards like the GF8800GTS-320/640.

Edit: not the majority, but still a bunch who can easily throw together older monitors, or already had dual monitors for editing and such.

 

[yannifb]

... Because 6 monitors on a 5870 is easier than 3 on a 5770?

I think you'll see a bunch of people use it, just like they did with the TH2Go on cards like the GF8800GTS-320/640.

Edit: not the majority, but still a bunch who can easily throw together older monitors, or already had dual monitors for editing and such.

The resolution matters- if a 5770 doesnt perform to great at 1900x1200, then you'd prefer a 5870 for those types of monitors.
You get what i mean, just work with me here 😀

Also does anyone know the performance hit if you use a 5870 with 3 monitor eyefinity (1920x1080)

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I understand what you're saying, but remember, resolution scales with price too.

It would be more likely 3 x 1280x1024/1440x900/1600x900 than 3 x 19x12/10, which is similar to the old TH2Go which couldn't do 1920 resolution until DP suppport.

 

[alikum]

@GreatGrapeApe

I meant they started since 4770 😀

 

[alikum]

Same current price or same launch price?
There are the same launch price, and there's no way the 5800 series should be the same current price.


Anywhooo, pricing of old versus new has less to do with ATi than AIBs/OEMs where they clear stock and maximize return of remaining old parts; ATi primarily sells them the original chip/GPU and the OEMs the work to maximize their profits after that. It's like anyone clearing old inventory to make way for new. You don't want just pennies for parts, but you also don't want to pay overhead to keep inventory.

I meant launch and current. In theory, that should be the way it is but in reality, it isn't because of the lack of competition, additional features and most importantly to clear off the 4000s.

Yeap, I agree with you, which is why I said the 5000 series ain't cheap. Just wait for nVidia to release theirs and you can see the truly "cheap" 5000 series and by that time, 4000 would've been cleared (hopefully).

 

[Amiga500]

Ok, but how abbout compatibility problems, I've heard a lot of complains with the 4870 since it came out,

I haven't... and I have one.

and I never used ATI ,except for my moms old PC with a 9250 and it sucked

You are basing your opinion of ATi's on a golden 'oldie GPU?

 

[alikum]

Ok, but how abbout compatibility problems, I've heard a lot of complains with the 4870 since it came out, and I never used ATI ,except for my moms old PC with a 9250 and it sucked XD. I trust Nvidia, despite the very high price I love them

That makes you a not-so-smart consumer. I've had FX5500 from nVidia and it sucked. Yet, despite that, I gave 8600GT a go on my first PC. It was similar in performance and cheaper than 2600xt back then. Drop your prejudice against ATI and you'll find yourself saving alot more, unless of course money is not a problem for you.

 

[Dekasav]

The new ATi series is so cheap because ATi loves us. Just makes me wish I would've gotten a bigger folding table for more than one monitor.... stupid tiny apartment. What'm I saying, I'm broke anyway (still want to upgrade, P/P is beautiful right now).

 

[jyjjy]

The cheapest HD5770 is $35 dollars more expensive than the cheapest HD4870 on newegg right now. Considering their relative performances I don't see why anyone would go out of their way to comment on how cheap it is. Personally I think it's rather overpriced.

 

[KidHorn]

The new cards are priced where they should be. The best performing single card (not single GPU) is the GTX 295, which you get for $420 if you include the rebates. Next is the 5870, which costs $380, then the 285, and so on.

If you look beyond just performance, the new ATI cards have an edge in DX 11 support (probably won't be a practical advantage until at least a year from now) and lower power/heat.

In a couple of months a 5870x2 should be out and will be the new leader, but it will likely sell for something like $639.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, would you rather have this card with all the DX11 goodness?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106793261%201067949753&name=Radeon%20HD%205850
259 to 289$ thats better and faster and more feature packed, or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792634%201067946202&name=GeForce%20GTX%20285
This card, 349 to 389$, which is running hotter, drawing more power, isnt as fast, and has fewer features, and less forwards looking?

 

[KidHorn]

OK, would you rather have this card with all the DX11 goodness?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106793261%201067949753&name=Radeon%20HD%205850
259 to 289$ thats better and faster and more feature packed, or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%20106792634%201067946202&name=GeForce%20GTX%20285
This card, 349 to 389$, which is running hotter, drawing more power, isnt as fast, and has fewer features, and less forwards looking?

I would get the 5850. It's a better deal. But the 5850 doesn't perform better than the 285. Maybe it does. Depends on what source you use. Anyway, no contest, get the 5850 and save $75.

 

[Kari]

^^actually, it does... 5850 is faster than gtx285:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/30.html

edit yeah

 

[xbonez]

most reviews agree that a single 5850 beats (though not by a large margin) the GTX 285, and 2 5850s in CF beat the GTX 295 (which is a dual GPU card too)