Why there are oled TVs, but not a single PC monitor?

[nokturrduk84]

I'm just curious, why there are no oled monitors, but only TVs?
After researching some stuff, I understood, that there are no panels out there, which reproduce true "black" color except oled. Recently I got monitor with AH-IPS. From the reviews in the Internet, where everyone hailed & worshiped AH-IPS panels, decided to get one, but I'm disappointed. It has this horrible "glow" effect & blacks are terrible, even worse than my old TN monitor. I don't understand why people like this panel so much. Personally, I think, at this moment, best option is oled, but sadly there are no monitors yet. Perhaps, we will see them in a near future. So, what do you guys think about all this & also plz, don't forget to answer my main question

 

[thor220]

OLED isn't yet viable for the computer market unless you are a professional (which they do have OLED monitors for). OLED doesn't have faster refresh rates or pixel response and suffers from good ol' burn-in (so don't leave it on!).

OLED is the next best monitor tech but It'll only come to mass market when it's good enough. They really need to get rid of that burn-in.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

There are plenty of OLED monitors, just none that consumers buy, but the video industry do use OLED monitors, example: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/

 

[nokturrduk84]

There are plenty of OLED monitors, just none that consumers buy, but the video industry do use OLED monitors, example: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/

Okay, but why they aren't for consumers? That's my question. Do you think they will come soon for consumers?

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Not anytime soon. Besides, high end VA LCD's already rival OLED currently. Even if prices drop on OLED, or there appears an OLED monitor on the market for gamers, nobody would buy it, it would be way too expensive, given how expensive the crap panels high end "IPS" monitors use currently.

Just look at this TV from sharp, using LED's: http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sharp/le653u

Contrast: 5239 : 1

That's an incredibly high contrast ratio, to give you an idea. IPS and TN monitors don't even break 1000 : 1, where as VA monitors and older TV's break 3000 : 1. To give you an even better idea, 3000 : 1 is enough to hide the black bars in a movie, in a completely dark room, no more is required.

 

[nokturrduk84]

Not anytime soon. Besides, high end VA LCD's already rival OLED currently. Even if prices drop on OLED, or there appears an OLED monitor on the market for gamers, nobody would buy it, it would be way too expensive, given how expensive the crap panels high end "IPS" monitors use currently.

Yeah one more question, guy who first replied, he also said, that it doesn't have faster refresh rates or pixel response and suffers from good ol' burn-in (so don't leave it on!).
So, those professional monitors of Sony. How about them? Probably they also have these issues? Then why they sell it & especially so expensive? As I see now, there are two ways: They must improve Oled technology & eliminate those cons, or invent something different & better than current monitors.

 

[thor220]

Not anytime soon. Besides, high end VA LCD's already rival OLED currently. Even if prices drop on OLED, or there appears an OLED monitor on the market for gamers, nobody would buy it, it would be way too expensive, given how expensive the crap panels high end "IPS" monitors use currently.

Yeah one more question, guy who first replied, he also said, that it doesn't have faster refresh rates or pixel response and suffers from good ol' burn-in (so don't leave it on!).
So, those professional monitors of Sony. How about them? Probably they also have these issues? Then why they sell it & especially so expensive? As I see now, there are two ways: They must improve Oled technology & eliminate those cons, or invent something different & better than current monitors.

They sell them despite the issue because there are people who will buy it. The Contrast ratio and black levels are amazing on OLED compared to IPS and TN.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Yes, burn in is a problem with OLED TV's, displaying the same thing, such as the Windows task bar, may result in burn in. They exist, because Hollywood demands more colors, and more accurate colors. We're moving towards 4k content, that means 10 bit color. Current LCD's simply cant get this accurate enough for them, even though you could argue that you can use the tools given to you in any professional program, to correct the colors of video or photos. But it's Hollywood, do we really expect them to compromise?

VA LCD's are going to take over very soon, please read my edited post above.

 

[nokturrduk84]

Not anytime soon. Besides, high end VA LCD's already rival OLED currently. Even if prices drop on OLED, or there appears an OLED monitor on the market for gamers, nobody would buy it, it would be way too expensive, given how expensive the crap panels high end "IPS" monitors use currently.

Yeah one more question, guy who first replied, he also said, that it doesn't have faster refresh rates or pixel response and suffers from good ol' burn-in (so don't leave it on!).
So, those professional monitors of Sony. How about them? Probably they also have these issues? Then why they sell it & especially so expensive? As I see now, there are two ways: They must improve Oled technology & eliminate those cons, or invent something different & better than current monitors.

They sell them despite the issue because there are people who will buy it. The Contrast ratio and black levels are amazing on OLED compared to IPS and TN.

Yeah, I understand, but does it make sense, if it will have image burn soon & whole screen gets damaged?

 

[nokturrduk84]

Well, thx for information guys. Let's look at the future & see what they gonna do. Soon or later, I believe they gonna invent perfect monitor without any issues. It's just matter of time.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

No, they will make small improvements in order to sell more products, they are a company to make money.

 

[nokturrduk84]

No, they will make small improvements in order to sell more products, they are a company to make money.

Well, at least, let's hope it will happens one day, maybe not in near future, but one day, maybe in 2050, lol

 

[nokturrduk84]

But, I think I still didn't get answer on my question. I'll try to say little different now: Why there are TVs available for consumers with Oled, but not monitors?

 

[thor220]

No, they will make small improvements in order to sell more products, they are a company to make money.

Agreed. For some reason people seem to believe that a capitalist system encourages great product advancement but that's only true under certain conditions. For example, Intel will only advance it's CPUs when it has to, otherwise it'll continue to skate along making tons of cash.

In addition, even when competition is present, companies will seek to collude in order maximize profits. Why spend a ton of cash on R&D when you can make a agreement with another manufacturer of the same product? I believe that Samsung, Acer, and a few others were slapped with this a were years ago. It's funny though, they only had to pay a small sum. An amount they probably made 10 fold from their illegal activities. Or Intel, that blocked AMD out of the CPU market during the original Athlon days and only got a slap on the hand.

You can rest assured that this will continue because the government has shown is just doesn't care (or is getting it's pockets stuffed).

 

[thor220]

But, I think I still didn't get answer on my question. I'll try to say little different now: Why there are TVs available for consumers with Oled, but not monitors?

OLED TVs are about as available as OLED monitors. There are only a handful and they cost a ton. They aren't for the average consumer just like the OLED monitors aren't for the average consumer. I would say they are both in the same situation.

To be more specific about what is limiting their widespread distribution as monitors, I cannot say as I am not intimate with the production process nor does wikipedia reveal any addition info. If I had to take a guess though I would say it's that IPS still hasn't matured enough that most monitor companies haven't made their money back from retooling their production line. It takes allot of money and equipment to produce modern IPS panels and companies want a return on their investment. IPS became the standard only about a year ago. I'd expect at least another 2-3 years before we start seeing a good number of OLED panels, or at least some variation on that.

Frankly, those contrast ratios are mouth-watering and I can't wait to get an OLED monitor. Games, movies, and media content will look fantastic. I'll be waiting for Dell's move into the market. They, in my opinion, make the best All-Rounder monitors around.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

OLED won't be around for much longer I bet. I'm certain that next year, LCD's are already going to rival OLED; at less than half the price, or lower. Do you know what LG compared their OLED TV's contrast to? They compared it to IPS; with IPS glow and bleed present on the screen. That's hilarious to say the least. A VA monitor that you can get for as little as $150, has got a high enough contrast, that you can't see it in the dark, while displaying a black frame. There are TV's that are almost twice that monitors contrast, which improves shadow detail, something current and older VA displays don't have, but still far superior to IPS, but I digress.

Next year, I can't wait to see the new mature LCD's, and not the garbage we had years ago, granted, todays TV's do look pretty amazing. What LG currently is doing, behind the scenes, is pushing Dolby HDR, now the disturbing thing about that, is that are manufacturers going to force consumers to upgrade to new standard, that might or might not last, because a lot of companies are not going to make HDR a standard, but use whatever they like? That's disturbing, and really, I think we can compare LG to Apple at this point, when it comes to exclusive features. This is terrible news for consumers.

 

[thor220]

OLED won't be around for much longer I bet. I'm certain that next year, LCD's are already going to rival OLED; at less than half the price, or lower. Do you know what LG compared their OLED TV's contrast to? They compared it to IPS; with IPS glow and bleed present on the screen. That's hilarious to say the least. A VA monitor that you can get for as little as $150, has got a high enough contrast, that you can't see it in the dark, while displaying a black frame. There are TV's that are almost twice that monitors contrast, which improves shadow detail, something current and older VA displays don't have, but still far superior to IPS, but I digress.

Next year, I can't wait to see the new mature LCD's, and not the garbage we had years ago, granted, todays TV's do look pretty amazing. What LG currently is doing, behind the scenes, is pushing Dolby HDR, now the disturbing thing about that, is that are manufacturers going to force consumers to upgrade to new standard, that might or might not last, because a lot of companies are not going to make HDR a standard, but use whatever they like? That's disturbing, and really, I think we can compare LG to Apple at this point, when it comes to exclusive features. This is terrible news for consumers.

Maybe, if they somehow develop a way to increase IPS panel contrast ratio. LG dominates the IPS landscape.

 

[nokturrduk84]

OLED won't be around for much longer I bet. I'm certain that next year, LCD's are already going to rival OLED; at less than half the price, or lower. Do you know what LG compared their OLED TV's contrast to? They compared it to IPS; with IPS glow and bleed present on the screen. That's hilarious to say the least. A VA monitor that you can get for as little as $150, has got a high enough contrast, that you can't see it in the dark, while displaying a black frame. There are TV's that are almost twice that monitors contrast, which improves shadow detail, something current and older VA displays don't have, but still far superior to IPS, but I digress.

Next year, I can't wait to see the new mature LCD's, and not the garbage we had years ago, granted, todays TV's do look pretty amazing. What LG currently is doing, behind the scenes, is pushing Dolby HDR, now the disturbing thing about that, is that are manufacturers going to force consumers to upgrade to new standard, that might or might not last, because a lot of companies are not going to make HDR a standard, but use whatever they like? That's disturbing, and really, I think we can compare LG to Apple at this point, when it comes to exclusive features. This is terrible news for consumers.

Maybe, if they somehow develop a way to increase IPS panel contrast ratio. LG dominates the IPS landscape.

To be honest I don't understand what do you mean with contrast ratio, personally I think, biggest minus of IPS panel is "IPS glow". I don't know if it's depended on a brand or model, or on a size of monitor, but with this, I can certainly say my old 24' TN monitor was displaying dark areas better than my current AH-IPS monitor.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

Right, but my point is that IPS is nowhere near VA in terms of contrast, but they chose to use IPS as an example next to OLED, instead of VA, because they know that people would have a hard time telling the difference between VA and OLED.