Question Wierd stuff started happening after upgrading to a brand new RTX 4070 - what can be the cause ?

[Catz111]

Hey guys!

I just get a brand new rtx 4070 but after some benchmarks i started to see some wierd stuff happening...
First browsing the inet starts to cause some wierd flickering which i think had something to do with the driver i installed.

I made a clean installation to the newest driver 536.99 then this flickering started and playing videos will hang up the browser or freeze for a few seconds. Then i deinstalled completely the nvidia driver from control panell/Uninstall and as it seems the card switched automaticly back to my old driver which immidiatly apply itself. So i deinstall the driver and after rebooting the pc have still access to Nvidia Control panel and it shows me that i have version of 531.79. I tought i deinstalled the nvidia driver and i don't see any other nvidia driver installed on the "Control Panel/Uninstall" but i still have the 531.79 somewhow.

So thats the first issue. The second one which was way more severe is after i try to activate Resizable Bar and i started to test cyberpunk afterwards. I get after maybe 5 min of testing a bluescreen with 4 errors and i couldn't "collect the info it stuck to 0%. So i just pressed the reset button. After that i couldn't start windows and my SSD could not be recognized in bios. So after a few restarts and nothing worked i by the way reset the resizeble bar back to disabled. Still nothing i had some message that something was corrupted and i need to recover windows. So after many resets i just shut down the PC and waited 5 min and started it again and all of a sudden the SSD was back on the BIOS and windows started just fine.

From the benchmarks i made it seems the 4070 is withing the specs and it delivers the performance it should. I tested Unigine/ 3d mark and cyberpunk. The temps are looking good and the highest i got was 63°c. The GPU is a KFA ² ex gamer 4070.

So my question is what is causing this crash then befor activating the resizable bar i didn't had a crash like this. So i kinda feel i better not to activate it for now. Can this setting be responsible to get a bluescreen like that or is something different ? Awso the driver and the flickering when browsing with hanging up when playing videos seems resolved scince i deinstalled the newest nvidia driver. But i am not sure why i even have the old one there which apply in place right after i deinstalled the 536 version - which makes me think that they may be some driver mismatch problems..

I have a 650 watt XFX XTR (Seasonic) PSU
Cpu is 5600x on a Be quiet Pure Rock 2
SSD samsung 980 (sticker wasn't removed and it has an additional cooling from the mainboard)
16gb (2x8) Acer Predator 4000mhz B-die ram
B550 Gigabyte Aorus Pro v2

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[kerberos_20]

its possible that your system drive is dying

 

[Catz111]

"Go overkill for your psu" i never ever heard anyone recommend to go "overkill" on a rtx 4070 which is one of the most efficient cards on the market.

The rtx 4070 is only 200 watt card and it spikes up only to 235 max which is lightyears ahead of an equivalent amd 6800xt which can spike for mili secounds up too around 500watt.. My Seasonic 650 watt psu is more then enough for this type of card..

"its possible that your system drive is dying" What do you mean by that and what should i do to check this or fix it ?

 

[kerberos_20]

"Go overkill for your psu" i never ever heard anyone recommend to go "overkill" on a rtx 4070 which is one of the most efficient cards on the market.

The rtx 4070 is only 200 watt card and it spikes up only to 235 max which is lightyears ahead of an equivalent amd 6800xt which can spike for mili secounds up too around 500watt.. My Seasonic 650 watt psu is more then enough for this type of card..

"its possible that your system drive is dying" What do you mean by that and what should i do to check this or fix it ?

Power Spikes on Modern GPUs Are A Good Excuse To Invest In An ATX 3.0 Power Supply

ATX 3.0 power supplies have started to become common ground as more companies unveil their products for modern-day GPUs.

wccftech.com

here they say 4070ti has spikes 3.5x over its TDP, why would 4070 non ti differ that much?

 

[Catz111]

6800xt
https://tpucdn.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6800-xt-gaming-x-trio/images/power-spikes.png
4070

https://tpucdn.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-ex-gamer-white/images/power-spikes.png

6800xt power spikes up to 530 watt+ for some custom modells

4070 spikes to around 230 watt check the links

so 650 watt psu for around 230 watt card paired with 5600x is almost overkill

im not even hiting 350 watt total power with this setup


"here they say 4070ti has spikes 3x over its TDP, why would 4070 non ti differ that much?" Thats a lie 4070 ti never ever spikes 3 times the amount of power it uses. In fact nvidias 4000 series is one of the most stable on the spikes then all other cards on the market - If you have any other info on that you can send it

If 4070 ti spikes 3x 280 watt then it would be 840 watt for the card alone without any other components like cpu and all the rest. If it will spike to 840 watt then nvidia would recommend at the very least a 1100 watt psu or so which is clearly not the case. i mean put 840 watt card with some core i5 13700k and you get over 1000 watt

 

[SomeGuyonTHW]

Every review video I've seen about any 4xxx series card says get a psu. If you're upgrading, get a new PSU. These new cards are frying left and right due to power consumption issues. Go overkill for your psu. Many only have 5 year warranties anyways. Do not skimp on it get a nice Corsair or Seasonic. An 850w from 2015 is not the same as an 850w from 2022/23. Look up reviews, get something good. You want PSU headroom.

Yep, exactly, even the 4070 can spike up to 771 watts I've seen, which is a lot.
An ATX 3.0 850w would be suitable for a 4070.

 

[kerberos_20]

6800xt
https://tpucdn.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6800-xt-gaming-x-trio/images/power-spikes.png
4070

https://tpucdn.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-ex-gamer-white/images/power-spikes.png

6800xt power spikes up to 530 watt+ for some custom modells

4070 spikes to around 230 watt check the links

so 650 watt psu for around 230 watt card paired with 5600x is almost overkill

im not even hiting 350 watt total power with this setup


"here they say 4070ti has spikes 3x over its TDP, why would 4070 non ti differ that much?" Thats a lie 4070 ti never ever spikes 3 times the amount of power it uses. In fact nvidias 4000 series is one of the most stable on the spikes then all other cards on the market - If you have any other info on that you can send it

If 4070 ti spikes 3x 280 watt then it would be 840 watt for the card alone without any other components like cpu and all the rest. If it will spike to 840 watt then nvidia would recommend at the very least a 1100 watt psu or so which is clearly not the case. i mean put 840 watt card with some core i5 13700k and you get over 1000 watt

that galax on techpowerup has just single 8pin power connector, while normal 4070 has 12pin connector, it is also bios limited to 200watts, you cant overshoot it that much with 200watt power delivery headroom

 

[Catz111]

"that galax on techpowerup has just single 8pin power connector, while normal 4070 has 12pin connector, it is also bios limited to 200watts, you cant overshoot it that much with 200watt power delivery headroom"...

Where do you get those infos ? My kfa² is the same as the galax one so it is the closest to what my card represents. It awso has 8 pin connector (8 pin deliver max 225 watt +pci express slot 75 watt thats a total of 300 watt there is not possible to spike up anything around 700 watt no matter what) and my card is a 215 watt card (and not 200 watt as you claim - the galax card is the same as the kfa²) card which is over the most basic 4070 modells which most of them are to 200 watt limited and most of them awso have a 8 pin connector and not 12..

here are 46 modells with they're respective tdp.

4070 — Postimages

postimg.cc

Now back up your claim "Yep, exactly, even the 4070 can spike up to 771 watts I've seen, which is a lot."

And btw if many rtx 4070 has 8 pin which are maybe even half of all 4070 cards how should they be able to shoot to 771 watt thats not possible. Even a 16 pin power connector delivers 600 watt +75 watt from the pci express makes in total 675 watts. Now prove your claim that a single 4070 spikes up to 771 watt !


"What sets the RTX 4070 apart from other GPUs in the 40-series is its surprisingly low power requirement, with a recommended PSU wattage of just 600W. This is fantastic news for gamers who want top-tier performance without having to invest in a high-wattage power supply unit."

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

That PSU is very old , almost 10 years. aND NOT ENOUGH POWER TO COVER THE SETUP AND SPIKES.

 

[SomeGuyonTHW]

6800xt
https://tpucdn.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-6800-xt-gaming-x-trio/images/power-spikes.png
4070

https://tpucdn.com/review/galax-geforce-rtx-4070-ex-gamer-white/images/power-spikes.png

6800xt power spikes up to 530 watt+ for some custom modells

4070 spikes to around 230 watt check the links

so 650 watt psu for around 230 watt card paired with 5600x is almost overkill

im not even hiting 350 watt total power with this setup


"here they say 4070ti has spikes 3x over its TDP, why would 4070 non ti differ that much?" Thats a lie 4070 ti never ever spikes 3 times the amount of power it uses. In fact nvidias 4000 series is one of the most stable on the spikes then all other cards on the market - If you have any other info on that you can send it

If 4070 ti spikes 3x 280 watt then it would be 840 watt for the card alone without any other components like cpu and all the rest. If it will spike to 840 watt then nvidia would recommend at the very least a 1100 watt psu or so which is clearly not the case. i mean put 840 watt card with some core i5 13700k and you get over 1000 watt

I think you're missing the point here.

While 4070 does indeed spike up to 700 wattish, that does not mean you need actual headroom for it.

> "If 4070 ti spikes 3x 280 watt then it would be 840 watt for the card alone without any other components like cpu and all the rest. If it will spike to 840 watt then nvidia would recommend at the very least a 1100 watt psu or so which is clearly not the case. i mean put 840 watt card with some core i5 13700k and you get over 1000 watt"

Normal ATX 2.0 power supplies are designed to handle something like 1.2x of their specification for spikes (e.g. 1000 watt atx 2.0 could handle 1200 watt spike)
While ATX 3.0 was designed to handle something like 1.5x or 3x (I could be wrong about the actual number though, but it was a much larger number than ATX 2.0 from what I remember)

the point being, ATX 3.0 is designed to handle these kind of power spikes GPUs have.

So if you have a 4000 card, an ATX 3.0 is recommended, it can handle very large power spikes.

So no, that doesn't mean if your 300w gpu can spike up to 800 watt you're going to need to get a 1500 watt for it so other components have power. ATX 3.0 takes care of this, a 850w atx 3.0 will be plenty for 4070 and the rest of the system, but 650w ATX 2.0 DEFINITELY isn't.

 

[kerberos_20]

Now back up your claim "Yep, exactly, even the 4070 can spike up to 771 watts I've seen, which is a lot."

since your picture mentions galax and kfa2 as being same

transient isnt that high on single 8pin

And btw if many rtx 4070 has 8 pin

which is below in performance over nvidia FE which is baseline for 4070, ok for base clock...cheap low end economy class card (F tier), no clue why they made so many of those?

but 650w ATX 2.0 DEFINITELY isn't.

looks like 8pin 4070s are fine with 650w ATX2.0 PSUs

they dont spike as mush as 4070 FE which can be run in 200/220W modes

FE (4070 baseline) spikes more, and OC models not limited to single 8pin would spike even harder

well since OP mentioned having KFA2 card, then his PSU should be fine, as 310watts should be fine even on 10year old PSU

 

[Catz111]

i just run baldurs gate in 4k 1 hour long and everything seems to work just fine. No crash no high temps - 63°c max temp and 74°c hotspot temp. At least what i see on HWMonitor. The problem i had was after i activated resizable bar i got the bluescreen crash and ssd disspiered but reappiered after shutting down the pc an waited for 5 min.. Is this happening because of the gpu or maybe false resizbale bar settings ? or Even ssd overheating ? so far the ssd shows me a max temp of 47°c after this 1 hour of gaming.. The setting i set in the bios were only
"Above 4G decoding" to "enable" and "Re-Size Bar Support" awso to enabled..

The freezing on the browser when playing a video do not occur anymore scince i deinstalled the newest driver and it automaticly fall back to my old one without that i had to reinstall it which i found odd..

Cyberpunk showed a few here and there graphic glitches/artefacts which awso made me think something may be wrong with this card. But i can't replicate any graphic artefacts in other games so far. Like Baldurs gate running for 1 hour and not a single one pop up at any time, same with other stuff like 3d mark.. I remember that some people called Cyberpunk - Cyberbug xD so maybe that explains the few graphic artefacts..

And btw if many rtx 4070 has 8 pin...
"which is below in performance over nvidia FE which is baseline for 4070, ok for base clock...cheap low end economy class card (F tier)"

Ok if this is F tier and the so called 12 pin 4070 FE is better? why can the F tier KFA ² go around 2950+mhz which im not sure if the FE can even do or if it can then 3ghz seems the limit for most cards even for the premium once.. There were many "premium models" and they awso can barely pass the 3ghz mark. The KFA² like on the video below reaches 2985mhz which is in line with any other top cards and above avarage..

Here is a video in german about the card its called - I never had a better graphics card! The KFA 4070 EX Gamer is an efficiency wonder !

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLQVeeeuM-c


And then @ 8min 21 he shows the overclocking and undervolting results. He get the card oc to 2985mhz (which i think any F tier would have a really hard time for that) and undervolting it to 910 milli volt which after watching different reviews of 4070's cards i didn't find a single one who manage to undervolt under 920 mili volt.. Ofcourse he may just be really lucky and get one of the very best KFA cards who knows. But i don't see any 4070 FE clock higher then this one even with a higher power 12 pin connector..

You showed the screenshots from "igor's lab" so to quote this guy from the video above he mention's Igor's lab as well and say something along the lines "I'm sure Igor would really like to get his hands on this exact exampler i have here right now (because of the efficiency results) Anyway can you pls show me the 771 watt spikes i really want to see it.


Why is TechPowerUp testing the RTX 4070 FE Card and they are show spikes of 235watt ? are they mesuring it wrong ? Why they have any good reputation if an 4070 FE is not 235 watt like they show but maybe 500 watt in spikes or even 771 watt in spikes ? Something isn't right and either they do measure 235 watt and 771watt is pure BS or it is the other way round... Any proof where is the 771watt measurment ?

https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-founders-edition/images/power-spikes.png

 

[kerberos_20]

Ok if this is F tier and the so called 12 pin 4070 FE is better? why can the F tier KFA ² go around 2950+mhz which im not sure if the FE can even do or if it can then 3ghz seems the limit for most cards even for the premium once.. There were many "premium models" and they awso can barely pass the 3ghz mark. The KFA² like on the video below reaches 2985mhz which is in line with any other top cards and above avarage..

3050-3150 gpu clock on 3dmark, from multiple people (20-21k gpu score on time spy, which would be around rtx 3090 performance level)
reference 4070 fe (200W) got 18k gpu score
reference 4070ti got 23k gpu score

 

[Catz111]

Nope it doesnt seem any FE card has 20k points or 21k.. I checked them all 1 by 1..

3DMark.com search

3DMark.com search

www.3dmark.com

Lets see
number 1 is (overall score) 21245 - gigabyte
2: 21017 - gigabyte
3: 20979 - gigabyte
4: 20695 - MSI
5: 20530 - Colorful
6: 20269 - Colorful
7: 20217 - Colorful
8: 20198 - Colorful
9: 20070 - Galax!!! (Galax/KFA²)
10: 20067 - Zotac
11: 20064 - MSI
12: 20043 - Colorful
13: 20033 - Gigabyte
14: 20015 - Galax!!! (Galax/KFA²)
15: 20002 - Zotac
16: 19993 - Gigabyte... from here on either "overall" or only the "graphics score" both get below 20k so no FE card that does that much

So there is no FE card that has 20-21k... If 18k score then the KFA² can hit that too... this site is extra for overclocker and chasing numbers so you do not know any conditions if there was made an power mod on the card or other tricks to achieve the highest score possible and do not represent day to day cards.. If thats the world best scores that FE can hit 3050-3150 then be sure then the galax/kfa² can do that too
There is no real premium that the FE with 12 pin power adapter deliver over the KFA² card which has good VRM's and is awso not limited to 200 watt like most of the cards


Send link with the FE

Even the Test on TechPowerUp shows that the FE is worse then the galax card they get this Overclocking results:

NVIDIA RTX 4070 FE	2911 MHz​	1453 MHz​

Galax RTX 4070 EX White	2958 MHz​	1483 MHz​

the galax/kfa² beats it as it seems in normal day to day oc conditions so no real premium here with the FE

Galax GeForce RTX 4070 EX Gamer White Review​

is the same as the

• KFA2 GeForce RTX™ 4070 EX Gamer

Galax GeForce RTX 4070 EX Gamer White Review

With the GeForce RTX 4070 EX Gamer White, Galax has released an eye-catching graphics card that will look great in any case. While the card is priced at NVIDIA MSRP of $600, you still get a factory overclock and higher power limits, as well as a powerful triple-slot, triple-fan cooling solution.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[kerberos_20]

Nope it doesnt seem any FE card has 20k points or 21k.. I checked them all 1 by 1..

3DMark.com search

3DMark.com search

www.3dmark.com

Lets see
number 1 is (overall score) 21245 - gigabyte
2: 21017 - gigabyte
3: 20979 - gigabyte
4: 20695 - MSI
5: 20530 - Colorful
6: 20269 - Colorful
7: 20217 - Colorful
8: 20198 - Colorful
9: 20070 - Galax!!! (Galax/KFA²)
10: 20067 - Zotac
11: 20064 - MSI
12: 20043 - Colorful
13: 20033 - Gigabyte
14: 20015 - Galax!!! (Galax/KFA²)
15: 20002 - Zotac
16: 19993 - Gigabyte...

and so on i don't see any FE version with the clocks and score you mentioned.. Looks like the F tier galax/kfa² is superior and on the top places but not any FE card..

Send link with the FE

you might want to recheck what i wrote, the only mention about FE was: reference FE 18k points
but here is one overclocked to make you happy

I scored 19 430 in Time Spy

Intel Core i5-13600K Processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

btw galax makes OC version aswell, which is better bin needing lower voltages

but i still fail to see how this helps OP?

 

[Catz111]

Yeah, initial question was what caused the pc to crash/bluescreen after activating resizable bar ?

Rest of the issues with video freezing on browser are gone scince the driver downgrade. Gaming performance was from the start as it should and card runs absolut stable. I made a longer stress test on gaming on the card like 4 hours of non stop some game and with adjusted fan curve the card max temps are 55-56°C. In total i testet 4-5 games with hours of gaming no crashes and nothing all works except with the resizable bar...

When activating the resizable bar the pc crashed almost immidiatly when i started cyberpunk. Which later never happend again after i deactivated the resizable bar back to off.

 

[Zerk2012]

Yeah, initial question was what caused the pc to crash/bluescreen after activating resizable bar ?

Rest of the issues with video freezing on browser are gone scince the driver downgrade. Gaming performance was from the start as it should and card runs absolut stable. I made a longer stress test on gaming on the card like 4 hours of non stop some game and with adjusted fan curve the card max temps are 55-56°C. In total i testet 4-5 games with hours of gaming no crashes and nothing all works except with the resizable bar...

When activating the resizable bar the pc crashed almost immidiatly when i started cyberpunk. Which later never happend again after i deactivated the resizable bar back to off.

From what I have read resizable bar can eat up your Vram and crash.
What monitor resolution are you using?

Even if the problem looks to be solved with that old of a power supply (12 years or so) I would start looking to replace it with a more modern version (and yes go with some overkill not for now but to cover future upgrades)

EDIT your PSU is designed off the same PSU I'm using right now Seasonic G series. I'm also running a RTX 2080 with mine not a new generation card.

Mine is about the same age bought when the 4790K came out. I have a Rm 850 I'm replacing it with and going to put it back in my 4790K and GTX 1070 PC to just run iRacing.

 

[kerberos_20]

Yeah, initial question was what caused the pc to crash/bluescreen after activating resizable bar ?

Rest of the issues with video freezing on browser are gone scince the driver downgrade. Gaming performance was from the start as it should and card runs absolut stable. I made a longer stress test on gaming on the card like 4 hours of non stop some game and with adjusted fan curve the card max temps are 55-56°C. In total i testet 4-5 games with hours of gaming no crashes and nothing all works except with the resizable bar...

When activating the resizable bar the pc crashed almost immidiatly when i started cyberpunk. Which later never happend again after i deactivated the resizable bar back to off.

it could be related to above 4G which needs to be enabled alongside re-bar, enabling above 4G pretty much forces windows to migrate drivers from old hardware to new ones (about same like move drive from one pc to another), during migration something happened, event viewer should have logs

 

[Catz111]

it could be related to above 4G which needs to be enabled alongside re-bar, enabling above 4G pretty much forces windows to migrate drivers from old hardware to new ones (about same like move drive from one pc to another), during migration something happened, event viewer should have logs

As the blue screen happend it couldnt "collect info about the crash" it stuck to 0% so i had to hard reset the pc and ssd was like gone or dead or so it seemed. Not sure if there are still logs tough would have to check.

For the PSU i bought it in 2016 so it is roughly 7 years old. If it was over 10 years i would have replace it.
Scince i disabled the resizable bar i didn't encounter a single crash. I testet like 5 games last 2 days in 4k 1440p raytracing and hours long of non stop gaming. I don't see the PSU to make any problems then anything so far looks to work stable. The only crash was as i activated Resizable bar which make me think that something wasn't right on this part. I have pretty bad feeling to reactivate it again. Will it even bring any new performance if i only have 16gb ram ?

Rtx 2080 seems that TDP is rated to 215 watt pretty much the same as 4070 and the PSU recommended for the rtx 2080 i see is 550 watt.. I don't see any problem running my rtx 4070 with my 650 watt..
And btw today i just undervoltet the card slightly (990 mili volt with 2790mhz gpu memory is untouched). Now it pulls in most games around 160-170 watt in 4k. Performance seems to be -1 or max 2 fps less then stock.
in 1440p it seems to use only around 130-150 watt depending on the game. Cyberpunk still pulls around 160-170watt in this resolution (I took a reference spot where i didn't move the camera and was standing still. I got with no undervolt out of the box settings 203 watt max and after undervolt i got 163 watt on the same spot so exactly 40 watt less. On 1080p the card sips 60-100 watt.. Max fps are from now on aways to 144fps restricted which makes 1080p to be even more efficient. I dont need 200 fps when my monitor is 144 hz..

For the resolution question i use 1080p 1440p and 4k lol .. Monitor is 1080p but i use Nvida DSR so i can go up to 4k..

Now with the undervolt where the card goes to roughly 170 -175 watt max but most times it stay around 160 or less i don't see any problem to run on 650 watt PSU. My total pc power now do not even come close to 300 watt most probably around 260-280 watt max total pc power. Which is really efficient and i do not know if someone will ever recommend for 280 watt pc a power supply of 750+ watt or even more. It makes no scence. The 8 pin 4070 do not spike anywhere near to what people say 771 watt or +500 watt and so on..