Wiindows surface studio pc: It could kill the desktop one day?

[DrBackwater]

Ms recently announced " the surace studio" as a new bold way to connect creatively all round:

boasting a 28inch 12mm touchscreen swivel monitor (actually those screens as a 3 monitor setup would be amazing.) with 40 percent more resolution then actual 4k tv, supportd up to 32 gig of ram ( currently 8gig most likely ddr4.) with 2tb of unknown hdd (most likely 256 ssd) , including a i7 intel core cpu most likey 6(i doubt its a 6700.) also including nvidias 980 gtx (so most likey 3-4gig ram. wow no 1070?) housed in a sleek apple desktop design.

All for $3000

When you do the math it actually isn't a bad price for those wanting to own their own pc and carry it where ever they go inside a enclosed system, not so if your international customer given tax and exchange rates.(but given how people like apple for simplicity others may precieve surace studio as the next best thing leaving the desk top to eventually die off as manufacterers decide whats profitable..)

So could micrsosoft slowly be killing of the pc in the next 10 years with this new way of prebuilt systems that they invision with each new generation that arises ( i personally doubt, but i can see manufactures slowly moving towards seemless picture framed monitors and ways to cash in.)

(I think its a really good machine even better if it had a 1080 eventually in time it will, as i think these were late models introduced.)

The powers in the consumer so i wouldn't buy this but i love the monitor, please asus build it with a wall mount please.

 

[Snipergod87]

I think you mean 2TB of SSD not RAM.
Honestly I don't think so, also its way to expensive, people who buy premade desktops in most cases buy cheap, something like this would not be a solution for them.

 

[blazorthon]

The only part you mentioned that is worth anything is the display. All of the rest of it adds up to less than $1000 worth of parts. While the form factor alone may imply higher prices than the parts account for and I really don't know how much such a display is worth, I don't think I'd call it a very good deal, especially if we focus on the performance. It's not really bad, sure, but it's not great. I don't know about it killing desktops since a desktop with the same components can be made much cheaper and if you don't need the computer to be more mobile, then you don't have a reason to pay the premium.

 

[boosted1g]

There have been all-in-ones for years, they have not threatened the desktop market in any way.

The majority of the desktop market is either looking for cheap towers or full upgradebility/customization; neither of which is threatened by a $3k all-in-one.

 

[DrBackwater]

There have been all-in-ones for years, they have not threatened the desktop market in any way.

The majority of the desktop market is either looking for cheap towers or full upgradebility/customization; neither of which is threatened by a $3k all-in-one.

I would say the same thing, but with microsoft backing it 100% with their logo as with this system, it could pave their way to success, same issue intel had with arm processors in android devices.(intels learnt a great lesson.)

When people walk into a store they'll see only either apple desktop or ss pc (or what ever it will be in next 5 years.) and so will their children and friends.

If ms starts introducing cheaper ways for schools to endorse ss pc or what ever cheaper then apple who knows what will happen. Minecraft learning, halo lense. so i can see why tim sweeny (epic studios founder)who is worried win32 will die eventually from win 10 WUA. microsofts releasing 4 redstone edition updates, now til 2020 the first was the anniversary) not like before i have no idea why.)

 

[blazorthon]

Microsoft is not endorsing any specific computers that are affordable enough for use in the public sector IE schools and libraries. Microsoft has not announced any plans to get involved in these markets either.

Microsoft also doesn't make any computers that are cheap enough to dominate store shelves. Again, they have not announced any intentions of going after these markets. Such action would be competing with Microsoft's OEM customers like Dell and HP and bad things happen when you compete with your customers so much.

 

[DrBackwater]

Microsoft is not endorsing any specific computers that are affordable enough for use in the public sector IE schools and libraries. Microsoft has not announced any plans to get involved in these markets either.

Microsoft also doesn't make any computers that are cheap enough to dominate store shelves. Again, they have not announced any intentions of going after these markets. Such action would be competing with Microsoft's OEM customers like Dell and HP and bad things happen when you compete with your customers so much.

Microsoft only see's apple as a competitor, another reason you don't see hp or dell on store tables much just apple, microsofts going all out secretly it seems.

 

[blazorthon]

Microsoft only see's apple as a competitor, another reason you don't see hp or dell on store tables much just apple, microsofts going all out secretly it seems.

If I walk into a Walmart right now, it might have one Apple computer on the shelves. It probably won't have any. It will have about six Windows computers from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. along with several dozen laptops in boxed underneath the shelf.

The only stores that have only or even mostly Apple computers are Apple stores. Other stores like Best Buy and so on primarily stock and sell Windows computers and practically none of them are specifically endorsed by Microsoft like the Surface is.

 

[DrBackwater]

Microsoft only see's apple as a competitor, another reason you don't see hp or dell on store tables much just apple, microsofts going all out secretly it seems.

If I walk into a Walmart right now, it might have one Apple computer on the shelves. It probably won't have any. It will have about six Windows computers from HP, Dell, Acer, etc. along with several dozen laptops in boxed underneath the shelf.

The only stores that have only or even mostly Apple computers are Apple stores. Other stores like Best Buy and so on primarily stock and sell Windows computers and practically none of them are specifically endorsed by Microsoft like the Surface.

Only time can tell.

 

[blazorthon]

Apple makes "premium" computers, not cheap computers that sell in large volumes. Microsoft is trying to do the same thing and leave the cheap Windows computers to the OEMs. Stores sell volume movers. There's a reason why when you go to a typical car dealership, it isn't full of the top-end $100K+ cars. There might be one or two on the whole lot, if any at all, while there are dozens of cars around $15K to $40K.

 

[g-unit1111]

OMG no way will that thing replace desktops. For one thing cost. That is $3,000. You can get a full powerful desktop PC for 1/2 that with a 4K display and that *STILL* gives you enough money for a digitizer if you need one. There's no way any sane business user will go for this thing, and any graphic design professional most likely has all of these things. It's also not a GTX 980 - it's a GTX 980M, and it is not the same thing as a desktop GTX 980.

Every generation there's a new device that comes along that people claim will "kill" the desktop PC and that goes all the way back to the Apple Newton in the early 90's. But desktops are desktops and then there's everything else. This thing falls under "everything else".

 

[USAFRet]

Artsy fartsy expensive toy.

Is it good? Yes.
Is it $3,000 good? If you're an artsy type looking for an alternative to an expensive Mac, maybe.
Kill desktops? Not a chance.


"for those wanting to own their own pc and carry it where ever they go inside a enclosed system"
28" screen is not a carry around thing. That sits on a desk. Period.

 

[g-unit1111]

"for those wanting to own their own pc and carry it where ever they go inside a enclosed system"
28" screen is not a carry around thing. That sits on a desk. Period.

Yeah I have a 28" monitor, there's no way I would describe that thing as "portable". :lol:

 

[why_wolf]

No. AIO and high end AIO (Apple iMac) have existed for years. They are popular (the iMac in a very specific demographic which is what the Surface Studio is also targeting) but they have not sweeped the market. The problem is you can get a desktop tower and monitor separately for less or just reuse an old monitor and get a new tower again for less.

They seem to be popular for the less technically inclined, having it AIO gives the appearance of simplicity. But for the more techie or people who watch the bottom line they are more expensive and limiting.

It's a niche to sell to though.

 

[USAFRet]

An All in One:
Combining all the customization and parts reuse of a laptop, and all of the portability of a desktop.

 

[g-unit1111]

No. AIO and high end AIO (Apple iMac) have existed for years. They are popular (the iMac in a very specific demographic which is what the Surface Studio is also targeting) but they have not sweeped the market. The problem is you can get a desktop tower and monitor separately for less or just reuse and old monitor and get a new tower again for less.

They seem to be popular for the less technically inclined, having it AIO gives the appearance of simplicity. But for the more techie or people who watch the bottom line they are more expensive and limiting.

It's a niche to sell to though.

Yeah I agree 100%. I think it's a niche toy and nothing more than that. The Gizmodo article I saw was overestimating this item's usefulness without talking about how expensive it is. The downside to using an AIO too is that they're mostly made with recycled laptop parts like the 5K iMac. That thing is not, nor anywhere near the power and expandability of a true desktop. Plus these things are extremely expensive and they do not have a long shelf life. A good desktop can last you 5 - 10 years or more. A good laptop will last you about 3 - 4 years. A good tablet will last you about 1 - 2 years. This thing is just a tablet with a stand.

 

[why_wolf]

No. AIO and high end AIO (Apple iMac) have existed for years. They are popular (the iMac in a very specific demographic which is what the Surface Studio is also targeting) but they have not sweeped the market. The problem is you can get a desktop tower and monitor separately for less or just reuse and old monitor and get a new tower again for less.

They seem to be popular for the less technically inclined, having it AIO gives the appearance of simplicity. But for the more techie or people who watch the bottom line they are more expensive and limiting.

It's a niche to sell to though.

Yeah I agree 100%. I think it's a niche toy and nothing more than that. The Gizmodo article I saw was overestimating this item's usefulness without talking about how expensive it is. The downside to using an AIO too is that they're mostly made with recycled laptop parts like the 5K iMac. That thing is not, nor anywhere near the power and expandability of a true desktop. Plus these things are extremely expensive and they do not have a long shelf life. A good desktop can last you 5 - 10 years or more. A good laptop will last you about 3 - 4 years. A good tablet will last you about 1 - 2 years. This thing is just a tablet with a stand.

agreed. this thing is mostly a Halo product meant to dethrone the iMac and eliminate the need for a separate Wacom CIntaq monitor (the good one cost $2,7000 by itself) for professional artists. So in that regard the Surface Studio is probably a bargain (assuming the color quality is good, which it probably is) for the professional artist niche.

 

[PsyKhiqZero]

Gaming will always keep the desktop alive. Since there are all types of gamers will different needs no one computer will ever replace everything.

 

[g-unit1111]

agreed. this thing is mostly a Halo product meant to dethrone the iMac and eliminate the need for a separate Wacom CIntaq monitor (the good one cost $2,7000 by itself) for professional artists. So in that regard the Surface Studio is probably a bargain (assuming the color quality is good, which it probably is) for the professional artist niche.

Yeah that's the funny thing - Microsoft thinks it can out-Apple Apple, but they're doing it wrong. Where I live, the mall has an Apple Store and a Microsoft Store. The Apple store is almost *ALWAYS* packed yet I hardly ever see anybody in the Microsoft store.

Gaming will always keep the desktop alive. Since there are all types of gamers will different needs no one computer will ever replace everything.

Oh totally agree. As long as gaming exists, desktops will continue to exist. What I find hilarious is when I see the annual "PC sales are declining" article. But the economists who write that article don't see the whole picture when it comes to PC sales. The DIY market is stronger than ever and it's not going away anytime soon. The thing is nobody wants to spend their hard earned money on junk PCs from Dell, Acer, Asus, and HP. You could buy that for $1,000 or you could buy a 6600K and GTX 1070 for $1,000. Which are you going to choose?

 

[why_wolf]

agreed. this thing is mostly a Halo product meant to dethrone the iMac and eliminate the need for a separate Wacom CIntaq monitor (the good one cost $2,7000 by itself) for professional artists. So in that regard the Surface Studio is probably a bargain (assuming the color quality is good, which it probably is) for the professional artist niche.

Yeah that's the funny thing - Microsoft thinks it can out-Apple Apple, but they're doing it wrong. Where I live, the mall has an Apple Store and a Microsoft Store. The Apple store is almost *ALWAYS* packed yet I hardly ever see anybody in the Microsoft store.

Gaming will always keep the desktop alive. Since there are all types of gamers will different needs no one computer will ever replace everything.

Oh totally agree. As long as gaming exists, desktops will continue to exist. What I find hilarious is when I see the annual "PC sales are declining" article. But the economists who write that article don't see the whole picture when it comes to PC sales. The DIY market is stronger than ever and it's not going away anytime soon. The thing is nobody wants to spend their hard earned money on junk PCs from Dell, Acer, Asus, and HP. You could buy that for $1,000 or you could buy a 6600K and GTX 1070 for $1,000. Which are you going to choose?

And probably 90% of the people there are for iPhones and iPads not Macs. Microsoft doesn't really have an answer to the iPhone and frankly unless they release a modded Android (like what Amazon tried to do, but you know better) it seems unlikely they ever will.

 

[g-unit1111]

And probably 90% of the people there are for iPhones and iPads not Macs. Microsoft doesn't really have an answer to the iPhone and frankly unless they release a modded Android (like what Amazon tried to do, but you know better) it seems unlikely they ever will.

Yeah we're getting a little off topic here but I don't think anything could save Microsoft's phone division, and it was an ill-advised move to combine a desktop OS with a cell phone OS. That will most likely not end well for them.

 

[why_wolf]

And probably 90% of the people there are for iPhones and iPads not Macs. Microsoft doesn't really have an answer to the iPhone and frankly unless they release a modded Android (like what Amazon tried to do, but you know better) it seems unlikely they ever will.

Yeah we're getting a little off topic here but I don't think anything could save Microsoft's phone division, and it was an ill-advised move to combine a desktop OS with a cell phone OS. That will most likely not end well for them.

It could have worked but they were frankly to slow on the uptake. Everything works correctly (used WP since version 7) but the App gap at this point is simply to big to cross. They could still stake out a niche as the new Blackberry though if they give up on their dream of iPhone level sales and just laser focus on being a secure, easy to deploy, easy to manage, enterprise phone. Governments and big companies that can't trust people using their own phones would eat it up. But more likely they'll just can the whole thing. Oh well.

 

[why_wolf]

Back on topic. Gabe from Penny Arcade has been a secret tester of the Surface Studio. He posted a quick review of it so far. The short of it, "If you draw on computers the Surface Studio is something very special."

https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surface-studio