Will 4700MQ Bottleneck dual Nvidia 780 sli?

[koondog]

Hi community,

I know it's too early to tell since not many people have this set up but the questions is, will the new intel haswell i7-4700 bottleneck dual nvidia 780 sli?

What are your professional advice regarding the mentioned cpu?

how future proof is it?

Does 4800, 4900 also bottleneck? (also professional opinions regarding higher tier haswell cpu).

Thank you.

 

[vinhn]

The stated CPU is for Laptops, thus MQ while the stated GPU is for desktop, both are different and can't be used together. If you are talking about desktop, an i7 will not bottlekneck GTX 780 SLI, if you are talking about laptops, a 4700MQ will not bottlekneck the GTX780M SLI.

 

[Eximo]

The 4700MQ is a mobile processor, not really something you will find paired with a GTX780.

You will not find any bottleneck with any of the top tier desktop chips, though you'll want to go with something that has PCIe 3.0 to prevent any bottleneck on the bus.

z87 LGA1150 i7-4770k, i5-4670k
z77 LGA1155 i7-3770k, i5-3570k
p67/z77 LGA1155 i7-2600k, i5-2500k, i5-2550k

or LGA2011 i7-3820, i7-3930k, i7-3960x

 

[koondog]

To clarify, this is for laptop mobile gaming.

i7-4700 mq haswell for laptop
Dual 780 sli for laptop

if you can re-answer the questions with this in mind i would appreciate it, thank you.

 

[photonboy]

It simply comes down to BUDGET.

Since laptops aren't generally upgradeable, there's really not much in the way of "future proofing". The only thing I can think of is that a 4C/8T may benefit from those threads more in the future versus a 4C/4C (no hyperthreading CPU).

However, in reality due to THERMAL constraints there might be little benefit to that since cores TURBO values are affected by heat. Thus hyperthreading could kick in, but generate more heat, thus preventing a TURBO.

Long story short, just look for the best CPU and GPU combo you can find in your budget, and make sure there are good customer reviews.

 

[vinhn]

For laptop, I would recommend against getting in SLI, it is hot and it is not worth it. Laptops won't last as long as PC and it is hard to upgrade or fix for new people. Getting the highest tier of GTX780M or HD8970M is good enough.

 

[koondog]

*If you want more help, be a little more specific in your question (budget, purpose of build).

That's a MOBILE processor, hence the "M" in the name. It sounds like you want a DESKTOP CPU, in which case you should be getting either an i5-4670K or i7-4770K.

The i5-4670K is about $250 and has four physical cores (no hyperthreads). The "K" means it can be overclocked which adds value and is important with two 780's.

The i7-4770K is about $100 more and very few games can benefit from it, but it's probably the best choice for "FUTURE PROOFING" as the extra threads might contribute as much as a 20% boost once games are optimized for it. Since the new PS4/XBOX ONE have eight physical cores, we'll likely see games in the near future which would run slightly better on the i7-4770K.

HASWELL-E:
Once Haswell-E is out there will be interesting choices there. DDR4 memory, and 8-core CPU's (likely similar to an i5-4670K with 2x the cores). It's also going to be EXPENSIVE.

Hope this helps.

FYI, you can COMPARE some basic specs between CPU's:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75131/Intel-Core-i7-4900MQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz

LAPTOP:
If you really do mean a laptop, then you'd simply buy the best gaming laptop you can get.

Bottlenecks and future proofing:
I briefly mentioned "future proofing" for the i7-4770K. There's only so much you can do there.

BUILDING A COMPUTER:
I can't really make too many recommendations without knowing your PURPOSE and BUDGET. Will it be single or multiple monitors (affects amount of Video RAM.)

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific.

This is for strictly for laptop.

If you could reconsider my question, I would appreciate it.

 

[koondog]

I understand desktop is a much more viable option, but if everyone could answer strictly based on laptop, I would be grateful.

Please answer and advise me strictly from laptop gaming pov.

 

[photonboy]

*Sorry about my LONG POST. You'd responded by the time I finished posting. Then I CHANGED it and you responded before that happened.

**MY POST WAS CHANGED** (see my first reply at 5th response or so)

 

[koondog]

*Sorry about my LONG POST. You'd responded by the time I finished posting. Then I CHANGED it and you responded before that happened.

**MY POST WAS CHANGED** (see my first reply at 5th response or so)

Read your answer, thank you.

Budget wise, I could definitely stretch it, but who doesn't want to save money?

I want to buy the cpus that can be most flexible to me in the long run, i know it's better to go with the best to offer but, if anyone can answer why or why not it would help much more instead of just saying go with the best option.

 

[photonboy]

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/eurocom_haswell_notebookscorpius_2_with_nvidia_geforce_gtx_780m_sliintel_core_i7_4930mx.html

Total overkill above, I linked so I could comment:
1) Any 4000 series Haswell should be fine. If you buy an 780m SLI laptop they likely chose one that's adequate to the task.

2) System RAM: 8GB is optimal. More is a waste for gaming, so unless you have video editing (editing, not converting) needs or something else that requires more RAM, absolutely don't get more. It will both add heat, and limit battery time.

3) Brand?
ASUS and LENOVO seem to make quality laptops. I'm not an expert but that's been my experience (I've seen various issues with ACER, Toshiba, MSI).

4) MONITOR:
Get a desktop monitor such as a 27", 2560x1440 from Dell ($700) or similar. Your laptop may cost $3000 to $4000 but the screen isn't nearly as good as a desktop monitor. Even a $200, 22" 1920x1080 screen would be far better for when you are at home.

5) ALTERNATIVE:
Unless you're gaming a lot away from home, you may wish to get a non-gaming laptop and build a DESKTOP PC.

A 780M isn't nearly as powerful as a desktop 780. For $1500 you can build a much more powerful desktop PC, get a $500 laptop and still have $1000 or $2000 left over.

The 780SLI laptop will also be very heavy.

 

[photonboy]

Alienware:
I went to Alienware for fun and customized an "Alienware 18" gaming laptop. I ended up at Dell's site so I guess Dell owns them.

Anyway, you can get Windows 8 instead of 7 for no extra cost (recommended). The ONLY thing I did was change to 780M SLI. There were other choices including adding a 500GB mSATA drive for $500 (not a bad idea). The stock HDD was 750GB. RAM was 16GB (you could choose 32GB. I would have preferred an 8GB option for less money though).

Price as configured above:
$3750

 

[koondog]

I'm sorry to say these answers are not helpful at all, i'm not looking for people to compare prices, i just want to know if 4700MQ will handle dual 780 sli without bottlenecking.

hafijur, thanks for your answer but if you can get into more details with your expertise...

and i know 780 is good, but if you could refrain from bashing the 780m. if you can't answer the question, please give me a direct short answer.

seems alot of people here have a hard time understanding my question - giving me answers for things i never asked about...

 

[photonboy]

I'm sorry to say these answers are not helpful at all, i'm not looking for people to compare prices, i just want to know if 4700MQ will handle dual 780 sli without bottlenecking.

hafijur, thanks for your answer but if you can get into more details with your expertise...

and i know 780 is good, but if you could refrain from bashing the 780m. if you can't answer the question, please give me a direct short answer.

seems alot of people here have a hard time understanding my question - giving me answers for things i never asked about...

Bottlenecking:
Yes.
In some games, you will get some bottlenecking. The GTX780M is similar to a desktop GTX670. If you have a 2xSLI setup and find a benchmark (again, not all games) you can see a difference in performance between the same i5-4670K when overclocked or at stock.

HOWEVER, there is a thermal limit for cooling in a laptop. You can upgrade to an overclocked CPU (different cooler?) but the cost is very high. It might cost $500 to get a 300MHz overclock that may provide a 5% boost in some games. That's 63FPS vs 60FPS. A slight tweak of the quality settings that's not really noticeable can easily compensate.

I sort of answered your question before when I said something like:
"Just get the best CPU in your budget..."

Long story short:
Can you be bottlenecked by the 4700MQ and 2x780M setup?
YES.

Is it worthwhile to get the OVERCLOCK feature or faster CPU?
Not to me.

Unfortunately I can't find actual links but I've had a lot of experience with when bottlenecks occur.

 

[photonboy]

LINKS.
I can't provide direct proof of whether the 4700MQ would ever be a bottleneck. What I CAN do is show you that if there is a bottleneck it's not a huge deal. I guarantee there's a bottleneck in some games, but again if the cost to upgrade to a faster CPU FREQUENCY (i.e. $500 for 300MHz) is too high don't do it.

So, this is the best I can manage...

i7-4700MQ relative performance:
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel+Core+i7-4700MQ/review
*Basically almost as good as an i5-2500K which I assume is at stock speed.

2x780M should be very similar to a GTX690. I found benchmarks of the GTX690 paired with an i5-2500K at 3.3GHz:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/06/13/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-4gb-review/4

This graph is typical of the other games here.

ANALYSIS:
If the i5-2500K was severely bottlenecking the GTX690, then the 690 wouldn't be scoring higher than the other cards. It is mostly. You can however see in SKYRIM at 1920x1080 there's a CPU bottleneck happening, whereas in BF3 single player a the same resolution, the GTX690 is much faster than the 2nd card indicating no CPU bottleneck.

*The bottleneck that will occur in SKYRIM is way above 60FPS. Your screen is 60Hz and it's best to run with VSYNC to not only prevent screen tearing, but SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your laptop noise (it will likely WHINE when maxed with VSYNC OFF). So a better CPU (or better GPU for that matter) will make no difference.

CONCLUSION:
My advice is thus to get the i7-4700MQ or similar and not pay a premium for a better processor that would provide only a small benefit to some game.

Again, this is a great gaming rig and maintaining 60FPS isn't difficult for most games. Even the most demanding can hit 60FPS with a few tweaks. Once you are capped at 60FPS a better CPU would make no difference. And again, always use VSYNC to avoid the extreme heat and thus noise running GPU's at 100% will do.

So I suggest you take the extra money you considered spending on a better CPU and put it towards something that would REALLY make a big difference like a great 27" 2560x1440 desktop monitor ( Dell U2713HM or Samsung), or speakers, gaming mouse whatever.

I hope this has helped.

 

[xMAXIMUSx]

LINKS.
I can't provide direct proof of whether the 4700MQ would ever be a bottleneck. What I CAN do is show you that if there is a bottleneck it's not a huge deal. I guarantee there's a bottleneck in some games, but again if the cost to upgrade to a faster CPU FREQUENCY (i.e. $500 for 300MHz) is too high don't do it.

So, this is the best I can manage...

i7-4700MQ relative performance:
http://community.futuremark.com/hardware/cpu/Intel+Core+i7-4700MQ/review
*Basically almost as good as an i5-2500K which I assume is at stock speed.

2x780M should be very similar to a GTX690. I found benchmarks of the GTX690 paired with an i5-2500K at 3.3GHz:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/06/13/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-4gb-review/4

This graph is typical of the other games here.

ANALYSIS:
If the i5-2500K was severely bottlenecking the GTX690, then the 690 wouldn't be scoring higher than the other cards. It is mostly. You can however see in SKYRIM at 1920x1080 there's a CPU bottleneck happening, whereas in BF3 single player a the same resolution, the GTX690 is much faster than the 2nd card indicating no CPU bottleneck.

*The bottleneck that will occur in SKYRIM is way above 60FPS. Your screen is 60Hz and it's best to run with VSYNC to not only prevent screen tearing, but SIGNIFICANTLY reduce your laptop noise (it will likely WHINE when maxed with VSYNC OFF). So a better CPU (or better GPU for that matter) will make no difference.

CONCLUSION:
My advice is thus to get the i7-4700MQ or similar and not pay a premium for a better processor that would provide only a small benefit to some game.

Again, this is a great gaming rig and maintaining 60FPS isn't difficult for most games. Even the most demanding can hit 60FPS with a few tweaks. Once you are capped at 60FPS a better CPU would make no difference. And again, always use VSYNC to avoid the extreme heat and thus noise running GPU's at 100% will do.

So I suggest you take the extra money you considered spending on a better CPU and put it towards something that would REALLY make a big difference like a great 27" 2560x1440 desktop monitor ( Dell U2713HM or Samsung), or speakers, gaming mouse whatever.

I hope this has helped.

great answers thanks this helped me out