Will Dell Optiplex 745 Bios update 2.6.6 support core 2 duo e7xxx series

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I have a dell optiplex 745 desktop, and I would like to know if my new bios update will support this series of core 2 duo chips, particularly the e7600 chip. My research shows that this chip is substantially better than what I have (the e6600). Any help will be appreciated and thank you in advance. And by the way, please do not tell me to get a newer computer, as I don't have that kind of money.
 
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Tombstone24,

Yes, the 275E power supply is L-shaped and the 305W is an oblong box.
You can see the two types on Ebahh searching "Optiplex 745 power supply".

For Dell of this vintage, if the 305W has enough W's, I'd recommend getting an OEM one- they're inexpensive and you'd know that the air outlets, mounting, and wire connections would work:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Dell-305W-Power-Supply-Optiplex-330-740-745-755-Tower-T553C-GK929-HK595-/201176791295?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item2ed71238ff

However, that listing refers to "Tower" so make sure that the 305W could be optional in the form factor...


Tombstone24,

The world of Core2 Duo CPU's is a bit complicated- the designations are similar looking but the compatibility is surprisingly limited. The short answer is that you need to match:1. the correct socket,2. the FSB speed- Front Side Bus, and 3. the "lithography" which is in effect, the spacing between components expressed in nm or nanometers.

Your current Core2 Duo E6600 is: 1. Socket LGA775, 2. 1066MHz FSB, and 3. 65nm. See:

http://ark.intel.com/products/27250/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E6600-4M-Cache-2_40-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

In comparison, the Core2 Duo E7600 is 1. Socket LGA775, 2. 1066MHz FSB, and 3. 45nm:

http://ark.intel.com/products/41495/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-E7600-3M-Cache-3_06-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

> and as a newer series, with the closer lithography, will not work.

A good way to understand the fastest CPU is to have a look at the CPU's offered when the system was new.

You can of course, stick with a Core2 Duo dual core, but a big boost will be made when going to a quad core. I think you'll find that the highest clock speed CPU will be the Core2 Extreme quad core Q6800 @ 2.93GHz:

http://ark.intel.com/products/30720/Intel-Core2-Extreme-Processor-QX6800-8M-Cache-2_93-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

> which is 130W processor. These are currently on Ebahh for about $90.- relatively expensive as it's the fastest that can fit and when new cost $1,125.

Alternatively, and the CPU I'd recommend is the Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 2.66GHz:

http://ark.intel.com/products/30790/Intel-Core2-Quad-Processor-Q6700-8M-Cache-2_66-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

> and these are also 4-cores instead of 2-core, 105W and about half the price of the QX6800- about $40-50.

To upgrade to the quad core, you will need to have the higher rated cooling heat sink. In place of the plain Aluminum finned one, you need to have the one with the liquid filled Copper tubes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-745-755-760-CPU-Heatsink-amp-Shroud-H895D-/141363722560?pt=US_CPU_Fans_Heatsinks&hash=item20e9ef3940&nma=true&si=8GgSy4K8sK94J%252BMFembgALLK0lI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This is a completed listing for one of these coolers. As you can see, once you find one, they are not expensive- this one was $7. The shipping may cost more than the cooler! These do vary and there are a lot of similar ones, so the best way to get the right one is to specifically search "Optiplex 745 CPU cooler" and buy the one with the Copper pipes running through it. Don't forget to have the thermal paste on hand, have everything very clean (denature alcohol) and smooth and apply it properly- a quite thin, even coat.

Upgrading the BIOS - I think- check the manual-will allow the system to use 8GB of RAM, which is DDR2 667. Always a good idea anyway. Again, the RAM is a bit fussy and I'd advise getting the exact numbers off the RAM that's in there and search for Optiplex 745 RAM" or ',..Memory". I upgraded a Dell Precision 390 and had to buy RAM three times.

Of course, the other upgrade that can really improve this kind of system is the graphics card and this can make as noticeable improvement as the CPU. To avoid interference with the CPU cooler shroud, look for very short, single height cards- cards in which the board doesn't extend almost at all further than the pins. I had very good results in a Dell Dimension E520 with similar space limitations with a GeForce GT 440:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-440-1-GB-GDDR5-Video-Graphics-Card-/231290882806?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item35da02caf6&nma=true&si=8GgSy4K8sK94J%252BMFembgALLK0lI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

A Gt 440 with 1GB of GDDR5 is much faster than the DDR3 ones and for only $19. I bought one for $25 and in the E520 it changed the Passmark 3D score from 74 to 978 !

I like getting these older system going well and when done the performance in day to day work is just fine.

Sorry for such a long post.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2014) > Xeon E5-1620 quad core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz > 24GB DDR3 ECC 1600 RAM > Quadro 4000 (2GB)> Samsung 840 SSD 250GB /Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > AE3000 USB WiFi > HP 2711X, 27" 1920 X 1080 > Windows 7 Ultimate 64 >[Passmark system rating = 3923, CPU= 9223/ 2D= 839 / 3D=2048]

"Vintage Systems":

Dell Precision T5400 (2008) > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16GB DDR2 ECC 667> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 500GB / Seagate Barracuda 500GB > M-Audio 2496 Sound Card / Linksys 600N WiFi > Dell 24" and Dell 19" LCD > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit > [Passmark system rating = 1859, CPU = 8528 / 2D= 512 / 3D=1097]

Dell Precision 390 (2005) Xeon x3230 quad core @ 2.67GHz > 6 GB DDR2 ECC 667 > Firepro V4900 (1GB)> 2X WD 320GB > 2X Dell 19" LCD > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit [Passmark system rating = 1431, CPU = 3642 / 2D= 433 / 3D=1346]

Dell Dimension E520 (2006) Core2 Duo E6700 dual core @2.66GHz > 4GB DDR2 667 > GeForce GT440 (1GB GDDR5) > 2X Western Digital 320GB> 2X Dell 19" LCD > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit [Passmark system rating = 1219, CPU = 2024 / 2D= 457 / 3D=978]

Dell Optiplex 740 (2004) AMD Athlon X2 64 6000+ 3.0GHz, > 6GB DDR2 667 > Quadro FX 580 (512MB) > NEC 22" CRT > Windows XP Pro 64-bit

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Now here is another question. Can I fit a Dell Optiplex 760 mobo in this thing and use the newer cpus? the cases look identical and the mobos appear very similar to each other. And by the way, I don't have enough power to contain a core 2 quad, I would have switched to that a long time ago if I could have.
 


Tombstone24,

Yes, the power supplies can be an important limitation. However, the fastest dual core is probably going to be the E6700 @ 2.66GHz and I think, not enough of an improvement on the E6600 @ 2.4GHz.

In my view, changing the motherboard is a big project with a lot of potential problems since the motherboard will be used, there are different form factors cases and as the RAM would be replaced- perhaps it would be Pc2-6400 800 instead of 5300 667MHz there is too much fuss and research and the cost may be more than buying another system. It would be more logical to change to a larger power supply and install the quad core CPU

In this event, you might consider a budget for the whole project and if you can sell the 745 for something- $50-70? and with a total of say $120-140;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-Intel-Core-2-Duo-E8600-3-33-GHz-4GB-RAM-80-GB-Vista-/171417336364?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item27e944fa2c&nma=true&si=lSAHSSaGzQJ83%252BCEQK5eumJ5k8U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

> a completed listing for an Optiplex 960 with an E8600 3.33GHz. and 4GB RAM for $80. Add an older series, lower power GeForce GT like the GT440 or 630 , 640 and Win 7- or leave it as Vista.

Or if you can use more cores, a quad core one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-960-Core-2-Quad-Q9550-2-83-Ghz-w-2-GB-RAM-DVDRW-SD-Reader-FREESHIP-/131287452873?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item1e91578cc9

with a 4-core @ 2.83 GHz for $115.

These systems are often sold for almost nothing and it's better and less expensive to start with a newer, faster system and only deal with the graphics card, RAM, extra drives etc. These other parts can be upgraded over time without having the system down for short periods. Also, if you have one of the slim form factor 745's, the minitower case and a 350 or so W PSU is much better for more modern GPU's.

Cheers,

BambiBoom




 


Tombstone24,

Yes, the 275E power supply is L-shaped and the 305W is an oblong box.
You can see the two types on Ebahh searching "Optiplex 745 power supply".

For Dell of this vintage, if the 305W has enough W's, I'd recommend getting an OEM one- they're inexpensive and you'd know that the air outlets, mounting, and wire connections would work:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Dell-305W-Power-Supply-Optiplex-330-740-745-755-Tower-T553C-GK929-HK595-/201176791295?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item2ed71238ff

However, that listing refers to "Tower" so make sure that the 305W could be optional in the form factor -case size- system you have. If you have the very slim case "small form factor" only the L-shape may fit due to space limitations. To use a modern, standard one, you'd need to measure everything very carefully, check the location and length of the cables, and probably relocate the mounting points.

Sorry to repeat, but there is a point at which upgrading is not worth the cost and time and selling the current system, replacing it with one that's one step newer- the faster 1333FSB and with the CPU and power supply you'd like- such as an Optiplex 960 minitower, will be faster, not expensive, and less work. Perhaps you's still want a better graphics card, but I think the value of your system plus $80-100 could produce very good results as all the upgrades are in effect, already done.

Cheers,

BambiBoom
 
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My graphics card is fine and the one you suggested is crap compared to what I have. I have the AMD Radeon HD 7750 1GB DDR3. The CPU I have now is doing well for what I throw at it and I just wanted to know if I could squeeze a significant amount more power out of this system without getting a whole new computer. I think in this case I will not upgrade this computer anymore and when I need to get more power I will just build a custom built one. I am not going to buy a 30 dollar psu and a core 2 quad for another 30 to use the 30 dollar cpu.
 



Tombstone24,

Sorry to have wasted your time.

BambiBoom