Will I need to get a special case for the MSI H110M GRENADE motherboard?

[Shade the Wolf]

I ask because it has three extra spots to attach standoffs on the corners of the board for extra support since it's a slightly bigger mATX board. Will the DIYPC G580-BK case I have picked out to buy be good enough or will I need to get a specific case?

From the pictures on Newegg, the G580-BK doesn't have standoff screw holes in those three extra spots; but I wonder if I even need support for those spots, because the H110M Gaming looks about the same size and doesn't have those three extra holes.

For reference, the H110M Grenade:

Here's the case for reference

And for reference, the H110M Gaming:

... They're actually not the same size, now that I look at them side by side. Dang it. But the question still stands.

 

[RCFProd]

To me it looks like the H110M GRENADE will work with any MicroATX/Regular ATX size case.

Which CPU will you use?

 

[Shade the Wolf]

To me it looks like the H110M GRENADE will work with any MicroATX/Regular ATX size case.

Which CPU will you use?

I shall use the Core i3 6100; it was originally the i3 7100 but then became unsure if the GRENADE supported Kaby Lake out of the box. I mean the site SAYS it does (or rather it's listed on the compatibility page), but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

[RCFProd]

Have you considered the new Kaby Lake Pentium G4560 which costs half as much but comes with very similar specs as an i3-6100? Just a slightly lower clock speed.

Onlu 65 dollars at Amazon

Along with this ATX motherboard + case:

Motherboard: ASRock B250 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool DUKASE V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $146.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 04:48 EST-0500

Or this mATX set:

Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $128.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 04:48 EST-0500

 

[Shade the Wolf]

Have you considered the new Kaby Lake Pentium G4560 which costs half as much but comes with very similar specs as an i3-6100? Just a slightly lower clock speed.

Onlu 65 dollars at Amazon

Along with this ATX motherboard + case:

Motherboard: ASRock B250 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool DUKASE V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $146.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 04:48 EST-0500

Or this mATX set:

Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $128.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 04:48 EST-0500

I have not, but I shall look into the Pentium. If it's 65 bucks on Amazon, I wonder how much it is on Newegg. Sounds promising.

As for the cases and mobos you posted, I've been quite emphatically warned away from ASRock boards by a friend of mine who had a bad experience with one of their AMD boards, and reading the reviews on some of Deepcool's products on Newegg fills me with dread in regards to their quality. The Corsair case though, I shall look into.

The main reason I picked a DIYPC case is because their cases look pretty good and I've generally read good things about a few of them on Newegg. I also like the tooless bays, mainly because of convenience.

 

[RCFProd]

ASRock is openly getting loads of positive feedback from the majority lately. They've really been making decent motherboards since 2012-2013.

Statistics prove they aren't worse than their competitors: Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. The last time I read all four were around 1.8%-2.0%, this was 2 months ago. I'd have to dig out the source though.

Only truth is that if you're unlucky, your motherboard won't work. I think ASRock makes one of the better motherboards for the price.

Deepcool's products on Newegg fills me with dread in regards to their quality. The Corsair case though, I shall look into.

This Deepcool case has to be an exception for all of that. Customer reviews and product reviews look really good. The case offers more practicality and features compared to most cases I've seen in this price range. Generally, DIYPC cases are low budget/cheap quality most of the time with probably some models which are exceptions of that aswell. Up to you though, I really like the Dukase by Deepcool.

 

[Shade the Wolf]

ASRock is openly getting loads of positive feedback from the majority lately. They've really been making decent motherboards since 2012-2013.

Statistics prove they aren't worse than their competitors: Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. The last time I read all four were around 1.8%-2.0%, this was 2 months ago. I'd have to dig out the source though.

Only truth is that if you're unlucky, your motherboard won't work. I think ASRock makes one of the better motherboards for the price.

Huh. She must've just gotten a bad board then. I shall look into either an H110 or a B150 motherboard from them then. I also looked into the Corsair case and Pentium processor you recommended, and while they do look attractive, both in terms of price and asthetics, the specs for the Pentium, on Newegg at least, doesn't say if it's 64-bit capable (I assume it is since it's a dual core), and the Corsair case only has 1 fan and 2 front USB ports (1 2.0 and one 3.0) whereas the DIYPC case I linked has 5 included, a fan controller for them, and four front USB ports (2 2.0 and 2 3.0) at the same price.

Still, I shall keep the Pentium in mind should I find out it is 64-bit capable because it's about the same specs as the i3 at a much more attractive price.

 

[RCFProd]

It's just websites not detailing information. The Pentium G4560, just like the i3-6100 and i3-7100 is a 2 Core / 4 Threads (Hyperthreaded) Kaby Lake Processor. It is 2017's absolute CPU budget king for the price. 64-bit compability isn't a question.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

Pentium G4560
Instruction set - 64 bit

The DIYPC does include some nice case fans like you mention, although I don't value the amount of case fans, inclusion of fan controllers if that means the case Itself is actually cheap and low quality (Don't know if this is a problem with the DIYPC case at all by the way).

Normally you don't really need more than 2/3 case fans in most systems because modern CPU/GPU don't run that hot in the first place. If you're buying a GTX 1050 or an RX 470 (the right model), you won't have parts exceeding 70-75 degrees, a couple of case fans are enough to keep air circulated and preventing more heat.

That being said, is the DIYPC is as good as it looks, meaning OK build quality and extra features like fan controllers + 5 case fans, then it seems like a fine option for the price.

With a G4560 you're going to need a B250/H270 motherboard or you'll need a BIOS update first, which will need to be done with a Skylake CPU.

 

[Shade the Wolf]

It's just websites not detailing information. The Pentium G4560, just like the i3-6100 and i3-7100 is a 2 Core / 4 Threads (Hyperthreaded) Kaby Lake Processor. It is 2017's absolute CPU budget king for the price. 64-bit compability isn't a question.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

Pentium G4560
Instruction set - 64 bit

The DIYPC does include some nice case fans like you mention, although I don't value the amount of case fans, inclusion of fan controllers if that means the case Itself is actually cheap and low quality (Don't know if this is a problem with the DIYPC case at all by the way).

Normally you don't really need more than 2/3 case fans in most systems because modern CPU/GPU don't run that hot in the first place. If you're buying a GTX 1050 or an RX 470 (the right model), you won't have parts exceeding 70-75 degrees, a couple of case fans are enough to keep air circulated and preventing more heat.

That being said, is the DIYPC is as good as it looks, meaning OK build quality and extra features like fan controllers + 5 case fans, then it seems like a fine option for the price.

With a G4560 you're going to need a B250/H270 motherboard or you'll need a BIOS update first, which will need to be done with a Skylake CPU.

Ooh, yeah I thought it was 64-bit capable. Just wanted to make sure. Yeah, the Pentium G is definitely going on my shopping list, and I shall get a B250 motherboard too. As for the case, the Dukase V2 has some pretty good reviews and is well rated at an average of 4/5 on Newegg. The DIYPC case is as well, but I may end up going for the Dukase since it's only 7 bucks more right now, and you seem to hold it in high regard. I assume you own the Dukase or know someone who does.

But yes, thank you for the recommendations and advice. Also, on the subject of video cards: R7 350; good card or should I look for something better? I'm building on a budget of 530 dollars and I'm kinda limited in terms of graphics card choice cause I don't have a DVI-D cable, though my monitor supports it; it supports both D-sub and DVI-D, but only came with a D-sub cable.

 

[RCFProd]

For 530 dollars you can do a lot, if that budget is purely available for the core components. Does anything else than the PC parts need to be in that budget?

Example:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE4 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool DUKASE V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $532.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 06:35 EST-0500

 

[Shade the Wolf]

For 530 dollars you can do a lot, if that budget is purely available for the core components. Does anything else than the PC parts need to be in that budget?

Example:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock B250M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital RE4 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 4GB Video Card ($184.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool DUKASE V2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($50.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $532.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-06 06:35 EST-0500

Yeah, the budget includes case, CPU, memory, motherboard, PSU, storage, ODD, and graphics card, with anything leftover going towards extra stuff such as blank DVDs to burn windows 10 64-bit to, or any video cables I might need if I get a graphics card that doesn't support D-Sub. Also holy smokes, that SeaSonic unit. All of my yes. I was originally going to use the SeaSonic G 550W unit, but if I am going to be getting an RX 460 or MSI GTX 750 Ti (one with D-Sub), I might go with the 520W one. I shall do some math and see if that's doable.

 

[RCFProd]

Well the Seasonic G 550W is the better unit. If you can afford it do go with that one.

Isn't it better to find the best possible GPU you can afford, and then just use a DVI-D to D-Sub cable for example? Or you can use cable converters.

Also, don't need to lower costs for Windows 10 IMO. Use it for free until you have the money to activate it maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

 

[Shade the Wolf]

Well the Seasonic G 550W is the better unit. If you can afford it do go with that one.

Isn't it better to find the best possible GPU you can afford, and then just use a DVI-D to D-Sub cable for example? Or you can use cable converters.

Also, don't need to lower costs for Windows 10 IMO. Use it for free until you have the money to activate it maybe?
http://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

Well, I said I have 530 dollars, which is technically true though I also have 17 bucks left over from last easter, so the total amount is closer to 547. With that in mind, I can afford an XFX RX 460 Graphics card with the 520W PSU. I'll just have to find a relatively cheap DVI-D to D-Sub cable to use it. Or a cheap adapter.

As for the Windows 10, I still have the product key for Windows 7 that came with the HP Pavilion I got a few years back and I never had a need to use it (Windows 7 came pre-activated on my system) and a tech support guy I talked to on contact support said the key was good to use for windows 10.

EDIT: I'm gonna go with the R7 350 only because I want the Seasonic G, and I'm planning on upgrading the graphics card down the road. But for what I plan to do with it, the R7 350 should be fine. My HP Pavilion had a GT 440 thrown in and it ran Skyrim, Civ 5, SOMA and even Cities: Skylines with little complaint, so I feel confident that the R7 350 will suffice until I can save up enough to throw in a beefier card like the RX 460.

As for the case, I am still torn between the DEEPCOOL DUKASE V2 and the DIYPC G580-BK. They're both at a great price and they both are really well reviewed on Newegg.

 

[RCFProd]

He said it'll work for Windows 10? Hmm, I'm a bit doubtful. Thought that was only possible last year.

 

[Shade the Wolf]

He said it'll work for Windows 10? Hmm, I'm a bit doubtful. Thought that was only possible last year.

It was someone from Microsoft Tech Support contacted through their on-site app, so it's someone I trust. If it doesn't work, I can always not activate until I have the money to get an actual license.