Question Will MSI Bring back the Click Bios 5 to the regular Tomahawk b450?

[Jason H.]

Hey guys.

Last nite I updated my BIOS as it was 1 year out of date. I also updated my chipset.

When the new bios finished installing I noticed the bios UI drastically changed. It went from a awesome good looking bios (click bios 5) back to the original, older click bios where you have to manually enter your fan curve without being able to see the curve on a graph. Which is honestly the only thing Im really not happy about, everything else is fine and self explanitory. However I also lost the ability to enable or disable precision boost overdrive in the bios. Or at least the option is not where it used to be.

They did this so they could fit in new Ryzen 3rd gen files into the BIOS.

I guess I have 3 questions

• Do you think MSI will figure out a way to bring back the better bios UI once the 3rd gen files mature?
• And are there any known issues with this bios like boot up issues or anything? I heard this bios had boot up problems.
• Lastly, is buying a newer mobo the only way you think we will get the better UI back? Like the Tomahawk b450 max (or pro, not sure)?

I did notice the bios is much slower and sucks to really navigate through as everytime you click something it takes upwards of 2-3 seconds for it register.

Any input on this?

PC SPECS

MOBO: MSI Tomahawk B450
CPU: Ryzen 5 2600
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T2
GPU: Gigabyte RTX 2060 Super OC 3x Windforce White (8pin only version)
MEMORY: HyperX RGB 2x8gb DDR4 3000mhz
Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 250gb / 500gb Seagate / 1tb Samsung 860 Qvo
PSU: Corsair cx550m
WIN: Windows 10 Pro
Case Cooling: Antec Prizm 3x 120mm rgb case fans with controller and 2 RGB strips / 1 default 120mm case fan

 

[Darkbreeze]

Probably not. That's one of the motherboards that required a reduction in features and graphical capability to accomodate the required addition of lines of code to support the 3000 series CPUs. They used ROMs that were too small and something had to give. If you dislike the change and don't require any of the newer features and were only updating to stay current, you can probably downgrade back to the version you preferred but honestly, how often do you REALLY need to go into the BIOS once things have been fully configured?

 

[Jason H.]

how often do you REALLY need to go into the BIOS once things have been fully configured?

yea u have a point there lol.

Its just right now Im exploring overclocking my cpu and Ive been in and out of the bios so much. The only reason I updated it was because Ryzen Master wasnt showing me any readings besides temp and core clock. But someone told me its most likely because I have an overclock in the bios and RM doesnt like that so its a bug? Idk havent went and disabled the oc yet in the bios.

Also someone told me that the older BIOS UI has bootup issues.

But yea using ryzen master with a stress test of 10 minutes on cpu+memory (I know thats not long enough) 4.0ghz at 1.35v seems to work on my 2600. Memory OC to 3200 16-18-18-36. No crashes in games either.

However I came home today and turned my PC on (it was in sleep mode) and the pc started normally all fans and rgb came on, but no output. I had to reset the bios by removing the battery.

So im not sure if that was the cpu oc, or the ram oc lol. Or if its that boot up issue someone was telling me about the old UI, if thats even a real thing.

However, whenever a cpu oc, or ram oc didnt work on the old bios, the bios would just use the last known working setting. So Im not sure why I had to reset the cmos to get it to turn on. Any clue?

 

[yellowcardyc]

But yea using ryzen master with a stress test of 10 minutes on cpu+memory (I know thats not long enough) 4.0ghz at 1.35v seems to work on my 2600. Memory OC to 3200 16-18-18-36. No crashes in games either.

However I came home today and turned my PC on (it was in sleep mode) and the pc started normally all fans and rgb came on, but no output. I had to reset the bios by removing the battery.

So im not sure if that was the cpu oc, or the ram oc lol. Or if its that boot up issue someone was telling me about the old UI, if thats even a real thing.

However, whenever a cpu oc, or ram oc didnt work on the old bios, the bios would just use the last known working setting. So Im not sure why I had to reset the cmos to get it to turn on. Any clue?

If the CPU and RAM not overclocked, is there any problem resuming from sleep mode?

 

[Darkbreeze]

So currently you have the latest BIOS version, yes?

Did you ALSO go to the AMD website and install the latest B450 chipset drivers?

Also, your system requires a 500w PSU for the stock configuration with that graphics card and the rest of the hardware. With an overclock on the CPU as well, and only a mediocre 550w unit, you might be pushing the boundaries or even tripping protections and if you are also overclocking the graphics card, even more likely.

I'd reset the BIOS by doing the following, then go back in and enable XMP again, and try it at the stock CPU configuration with XMP for a bit to see if you have any further problems.


BIOS Hard Reset procedure

Power off the unit, switch the PSU off and unplug the PSU cord from either the wall or the power supply.

Remove the motherboard CMOS battery for five minutes. In some cases it may be necessary to remove the graphics card to access the CMOS battery.

During that five minutes, press the power button on the case for 30 seconds. After the five minutes is up, reinstall the CMOS battery making sure to insert it with the correct side up just as it came out.

If you had to remove the graphics card you can now reinstall it, but remember to reconnect your power cables if there were any attached to it as well as your display cable.

Now, plug the power supply cable back in, switch the PSU back on and power up the system. It should display the POST screen and the options to enter CMOS/BIOS setup. Enter the bios setup program and reconfigure the boot settings for either the Windows boot manager or for legacy systems, the drive your OS is installed on if necessary.

Save settings and exit. If the system will POST and boot then you can move forward from there including going back into the bios and configuring any other custom settings you may need to configure such as Memory XMP profile settings, custom fan profile settings or other specific settings you may have previously had configured that were wiped out by resetting the CMOS.

In some cases it may be necessary when you go into the BIOS after a reset, to load the Optimal default or Default values and then save settings, to actually get the hardware tables to reset in the boot manager.

It is probably also worth mentioning that for anything that might require an attempt to DO a hard reset in the first place, it is a GOOD IDEA to try a different type of display as many systems will not work properly for some reason with displayport configurations. It is worth trying HDMI if you are having no display or lack of visual ability to enter the BIOS, or no signal messages.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Because you are running a 2600 you might want to revert to BIOS rev 7C02v15 or 7C02v17. That would return you to the Red Dragon BIOS you are used to and still get you full support for a Ryzen 2600.

The BIOS you updated to is meant to support Ryzen 3000 CPUS, and everything done to it since then has been to optimize for Ryzen 3000. While it apparently does work with 2000 (and maybe 1000) CPU's it's probably also not as well optimized or at best not any further optimized for it.

 

[Jason H.]

Because you are running a 2600 you might want to revert to BIOS rev 7C02v15 or 7C02v17. That would return you to the Red Dragon BIOS you are used to and still get you full support for a Ryzen 2600.

The BIOS you updated to is meant to support Ryzen 3000 CPUS, and everything done to it since then has been to optimize for Ryzen 3000. While it apparently does work with 2000 (and maybe 1000) CPU's it's probably also not as well optimized or at best not any further optimized for it.

Thanks for the info. However I plan on buying a 3600 in the next couple weeks to get a smoother more stable experience. So Ill just leave the BIOS as is until I get the chip and see if its worth the upgrade. If not Ill send the chip back and revert the bios. Thanks for all the help guys!

 

[drea.drechsler]

Thanks for the info. However I plan on buying a 3600 in the next couple weeks to get a smoother more stable experience. So Ill just leave the BIOS as is until I get the chip and see if its worth the upgrade. If not Ill send the chip back and revert the bios. Thanks for all the help guys!

I think most people would have advised against a 2600 to 3600 upgrade, but at least you have options if you find yourself in agreement.

If possible, returning it for a 3700X would be a sweet improvement. It's the extra cores/threads that make for a much smoother computing experience, especially with a lot of apps and tabs open in Chrome/Firefox.

 

[mitch074]

The BIOS you updated to is meant to support Ryzen 3000 CPUS, and everything done to it since then has been to optimize for Ryzen 3000. While it apparently does work with 2000 (and maybe 1000) CPU's it's probably also not as well optimized or at best not any further optimized for it.

I strongly recommend against downgrading the BIOS - the few times I've bricked motherboards were on BIOS downgrades.
About what was done to support the 3xxx series Ryzen, yes, at first it was to optimize the third gen Ryzen. However, the very latest AGESA by AMD did merge all Zen generation code paths (leading to a rather sizable BIOS size reduction) and as such one can expect some of the improvements made for 3rd-gen Ryzen to apply to the earlier models. Stuff like security bug mitigations, too.
I wouldn't expect the full-fledged BIOS to come back, as motherboard makers have little interest in supporting older boards - they'd rather sell new ones with a full-featured BIOS on a larger Flash RAM chip. Personally, I'd rather they stop putting so much graphics fluff in the BIOS and concentrate on enabling more features/allowing more fine-tuning.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I think most people would have advised against a 2600 to 3600 upgrade,

I disagree. I think it's a very worthwhile upgrade. Those are about the same gains in both single and threaded performance as going from a 6700k to a 9700k, based on the Passmark comparisons, which we know aren't completely accurate for ALL use cases but are definitely accurate for the use cases in which they are tested for. I've seen a lot of people spend more more for less gains, often.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/3243vs3481

 

[Jason H.]

I disagree. I think it's a very worthwhile upgrade. Those are about the same gains in both single and threaded performance as going from a 6700k to a 9700k, based on the Passmark comparisons, which we know aren't completely accurate for ALL use cases but are definitely accurate for the use cases in which they are tested for. I've seen a lot of people spend more more for less gains, often.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/3243vs3481

Im going to gain about 20-30fps in most titles I play that have big maps( Apex Legends, Rust). That is worth the 180$ to me lol.

I was looking at the 3700 however I just simply cannot afford to spend another 320-370$ or whatever it costs, on the cpu. Ive dumped about 800$ OVER my original budget into this pc. Original budget was 800$ at time of building, spent 812$ and now I have spent 1500$ all together and I still have to upgrade the CPU, AND on TOP of that, Its time for a new CPU cooler. So in my case, Id love to go to the 3700 but I just simply cant do it and I dont feel like waiting 2 more months to save the extra 200$ lol.

I even thought about getting the 2700 but the 3600 beats the 2700 in MOST cases for gaming and the 2700 is more expensive so this is why I optd for the 3600 as a 1 year upgrade. Meaning in about a year I will upgrade again probably to gen 4.

 

[Jason H.]

I think most people would have advised against a 2600 to 3600 upgrade, but at least you have options if you find yourself in agreement.

If possible, returning it for a 3700X would be a sweet improvement. It's the extra cores/threads that make for a much smoother computing experience, especially with a lot of apps and tabs open in Chrome/Firefox.

I dont need performance for multi tasking. All I do on my PC is watch youtube, play games, and make music. Also I watched some comparisons of the 3600 to the 3700x and the 3600 is only behind by like 10-15 frames and costs half the price. This is why im opting for the 3600 as it has the most performance value for under 200$ which is about my current budget for a cpu upgrade unfortunately as Im a very impatient person and Im tired of dropping from 210fps down to 130fps in apex legends lol and also barely being able to keep a steady 75fps in Rust.

Although I have a 75hz monitor I can feel the sparaticness of the FRAMETIMES/input lag when these drops happen. I thought about limiting my fps to 130 to have a consistent experience however I found myself doing worse in other locations that I would have usually got 200+ fps at due to the fluctuations and higher frametimes.