Question Will my RX 570 work with 420W PSU?

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Hello, I have recently got my hands on a MSI RX570 Armor OC gfx card. Currently I have a Spire 420W PSU in my system. It has no 6-pin or 8-pin connectors, and the card requires one 8-pin. The PSU only has two cables apart from the 24-pin and 4-pin MB connectors, with one MOLEX and one SATA on each. The 2 SATA connectors are occupied by a hard drive and an SSD. My CPU is an i3-7100, so no big power draw. I have no fans except the stock Intel CPU cooler and the two on the gfx card.
Is it safe to use an adapter for the card? If so, what adapter should I use? Or I better buy a new PSU?
 
Welcome to the forums. No adapters. Get a better PSU. There's a reason your unit lacks PCIE 6+2 power connectors.

For that card I'd get at least a 500-550W unit. A good quality one. Seasonic, EVGA or Corsair. Get a good qulaity one with the PCIE power connectors you need.
 
Welcome to the forums. No adapters. Get a better PSU. There's a reason your unit lacks PCIE 6+2 power connectors.

For that card I'd get at least a 500-550W unit. A good quality one. Seasonic, EVGA or Corsair. Get a good qulaity one with the PCIE power connectors you need.
Thank you for the advice. Do you recommend buying a used PSU? I have heard about the capacitor plague, so I definitely wouldn’t buy anything older than 2 years, but someone might have a quality PSU lying around in good condition, for 60% the retail price.

Another question though, now out of sole curiosity, why do adapters exist if they are unsafe or impractical?
 
No I personally wouldn't by second hand PSU. You can never really know why previous owner decided to sell, whether it was faulty or defective or whether it's been repaired etc. Yes is the previous owner is a close friend, someone you know or trust yes but if not I wouldn't.

Adapters exist yes but it also depends on the situation and usage. If you use a Y splitter cable on a Molex coming out of the PSU to power two fans or a fan and a fan hub it's alright in most cases.

But to use an adapter to power a graphics card with an an 8-pin connector from the 12V rail of a PSU that lacks PCIE connectors altogether; that's a horse of a different color my friend. An 8-pin PCIE connector can deliver 150W, the PCIE slot delivers 75W, that's a total of 225W.

MSI website says that card needs 150W. That would mean a 6-pin would be enough because they can deliver 75W. So 75W from slot and 75W from 6-pin would do. But since that's an OC model I'm guessing it goes quite a bit over 150W and that's why they have implemented an 8-pin on the card. The Asus Strix OC version of the card here goes 157W in gaming and 195W in torture/max load.

I couldn't find the webpage for your PSU. There are a few with some additional working in the models. Do you have a link for it?

I seriously doubt that your PSU can REALLY deliver that from the 12V rail. That's almost 19 amps. The sticker might say 12 amps but I would take that with a grain of salt. I also doubt the PSU's wires are the right gauge that would tolerate such current.
 
No I personally wouldn't by second hand PSU. You can never really know why previous owner decided to sell, whether it was faulty or defective or whether it's been repaired etc. Yes is the previous owner is a close friend, someone you know or trust yes but if not I wouldn't.

Adapters exist yes but it also depends on the situation and usage. If you use a Y splitter cable on a Molex coming out of the PSU to power two fans or a fan and a fan hub it's alright in most cases.

But to use an adapter to power a graphics card with an an 8-pin connector from the 12V rail of a PSU that lacks PCIE connectors altogether; that's a horse of a different color my friend. An 8-pin PCIE connector can deliver 150W, the PCIE slot delivers 75W, that's a total of 225W.

MSI website says that card needs 150W. That would mean a 6-pin would be enough because they can deliver 75W. So 75W from slot and 75W from 6-pin would do. But since that's an OC model I'm guessing it goes quite a bit over 150W and that's why they have implemented an 8-pin on the card. The Asus Strix OC version of the card here goes 157W in gaming and 195W in torture/max load.

I couldn't find the webpage for your PSU. There are a few with some additional working in the models. Do you have a link for it?

I seriously doubt that your PSU can REALLY deliver that from the 12V rail. That's almost 19 amps. The sticker might say 12 amps but I would take that with a grain of salt. I also doubt the PSU's wires are the right gauge that would tolerate such current.
Thank you for the answer. I ended up ordering this PSU. It isn’t a big brand like Corsair, but seems to be reliable based on reviews and website. And does the job for 1/3rd the cost of a Corsair or EVGA PSU.

Thanks again everybody for the answers. Have a great day.
 
I know I haven't been involved in this thread up to now, but IMO I would avoid that PSU like the plague.

I have no doubt it will run that system, but it is far from a good quality unit.

Its not just about overall wattage, but stability of the output and the safety mechanisms in place that protects your other components (and your house from fire) in problematic situations such as power surges, brown outs etc. The Chieftec line from my awareness has never been good quality.

Budget PSU's are exactly that - budget - as they skrimp on the most safety critical parts.

Just saying a common phrase that is said on the forums, that is any money you save on a cheap PSU, you'll pay significantly more when it fails.

I've dealt with various problems in th past that came down to a Chieftec PSU, and also many that generally came from cheap PSU's (including the Corsair VS Line).

(also happily admit I haven't looked too in detail to the links as I am away and looking via mobile).
 
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Its not just about overall wattage, but stability of the output and the safety mechanisms in place that protects your other components (and your house from fire) in problematic situations such as power surges, brown outs etc. The Chieftec line from my awareness has never been good quality.
The specifications on the website I linked say it has protection against over- and undervoltage, surges, inrush, short-circuit and overload, and that it meets the CE standards, certified by EAC and TÜV. Chief tech has too many products to fail these, if that was the case, the company would have disappeared long ago.

I've dealt with various problems in th past that came down to a Chieftec PSU, and also many that generally came from cheap PSU's (including the Corsair VS Line).
Could you please make these claims more exact? If you can’t support this with facts, you aren’t saying anything meaningful. I would like to hear more about the exact issues and circumstances.

It seems that your comment is heavily influenced by prejudice and unreasonable personal hate towards a company in general, not about the specific product, and not supported by any facts. I could also easily attribute this to the snobbism that is sadly present in the PC building community sometimes. Prove me wrong in that by providing details to validate your arguments.
 
My apologies - nothing was intended to offend or criticize, so I hope it didn't seem that way. And I apologize if it did.

As I stated in my previous post, I only had a limited time to view the link of the PSU, however what I believe I saw was one of Chieftecs budget line PSUs.

The certifications definitely mean they're an improvement on the unbranded counterparts, but bad quality units can still gain certification. As I said, no doubt it will actually run it, my concern would be if something were to go wrong, does that PSU have the relevent quality parts to protect the rest of your components, and based on the price tag (from what I saw, it may be different elsewhere) - it does not cost enough to warrant having good quality components within it.

For example the Corsair VS series has every certification there is, in the same way the above Chieftec does, but it is ultimately that - a budget PSU - and I also know from experience in repairing multiple computers, that the VS series have been a culprit in a lot of cases. I have also seen quite a few Chieftec ones also cause concern.

You're absolutely correct that I have made a generalisation based on the company that it is, I won't deny that, but I have experience to say I've not had good experiences with that company's line either. Quite often it is a pretty accurate deduction to say cheap PSUs are usually skrimping on the parts that can matter most in a PSU. Not saying this is always a bad thing, because that's why they are budget, they're aiming at a market who don't want to spend more on a PSU. I do not dislike Chieftec, I simply am not their target for audience, and my reluctance in their company comes from my experience with their product - which I can describe to you myself if we deem this necessary.

I believe Chieftec used to be made by CWT - which were not great quality in most tests, not sure how true this is now.

There are multiple and endless threads across multiple forums and sites that hold the same view:

PSU Tier List - https://www.gamingscan.com/psu-hierarchy/ - Doesn't even include the Chieftec range anywhere, partially I suspect because they are not reputable enough quality to warrant testing, or their tests were that bad they did not hit anywhere on a reasonable scale.

PSU tier list (older and outdated) but the same point above remains: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-old/

In relation to other views:
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/psu-cables-confusion-ultra-noob.3482602/
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/788307-are-chieftec-power-supplies-any-good/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/are-deepcool-or-chieftec-good-psus.2959949/
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/chieftec-psus.75512/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/which-tier-my-chieftec-psu-is.2190625/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/chieftec-brand-any-good.2998568/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/best-lowprice-psu.3245185/

Many others alike I'm sure will also back up my thought process, but also happily accept if there are those who know far more about these PSU's than I - I know @Metal Messiah. and @Aeacus have spoken about these previously - as well as many others.

I also happily accept that maybe an exception are the latest BDF lines - but I know less about the quality of these. And again, I only went off what I saw from the link - these from my recollection are their budget line. Which is why I have made the remarks that I have. And the reason why I actually added to this thread was because someone else had actually expressed concern over the Chieftec model in question.

Again I apologise if any offence was caused, that was not my intention, I am simply expressing my concern over the safety of your components. And I hope all is read with good intention.
 
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PC Tailor is right in pointing out that the PSU you mentioned is not a good quality one. I for one am grateful to him. He saw you made a bad choice and warned you about possible consequences. There's no prejudice at work here. You want to chalk it down to "snobbism" , your choice, your money and your system.

It's not like anyone is forcing you to buy a certain brand or model. PC Tailor didn't even name any brand/models for you to buy in that post, just told you what to avoid. Do a search on valid and well-reputed websites that do reviews and forums and see how many people say Chieftec PSUs are low quality and preferrably should be avoided.

Chieftc is not known to make many good quality PSUs. You want proof, again, just do a search and see what valid reviews say about them and that how many people have had problems because of their Chieftc PSUs.

Cheaper PSUs are not as good as many good brand/models which are more expensive ones. It is simply because such manufacturers don't spend as much on design and implementation, or they outsource the actual production to OEMs with inferior technology, assembly lines and less-skilled workforce. They cut their costs by using cheaper components. Yes many companies make PSUs and put specs on their websites and markings on the PSU label/sticker. But right out of the box or in real world scenarios and under heavy loads (like gaming) their products do not perform as they advertise/should. What's worst when they fail they take other parts down with them if the user is lucky and they don't cause a fire.

Results? Best case scenario, system is unstable, restarts abruptly, underperforms under load like graphics cards underperforming in games, storage devices fail etc. Worst case scenario, PSU blows and takes other components with it (most vulnerable are usually graphics card and motherboard).

Obviously, if you're unhappy with the suggestions you get you can ignore them. I wish you good luck. If it does work (and I sincerely hope that PSU works as it should) it's just one PSU out of the total number they make that don't work. Many low quality PSUs still fail sooner and worse than expected (without protecting other components) and that one in many is not a meaningful number.
 
@KoMa111 welcome to Tom's. While skepticism is perfectly valid especially when you're not familiar with the subject matter, an agressive attitude in defense of what amounts to a product you bought half a day ago is not appreciated. PC Tailor's comment was not personal towards you, so please in the future when responding here do not take such comments in that way. His reply was honest, friendly, and correct.

That PSU may have many things that say it probably won't burn down your house. And in the meager testing done by those agencies it does. But that doesn't trump the years of experience that folks have had with those PSUs (and others with similar "certifications") that say otherwise. If you're coming here for help with PSUs because you don't have familiarity with them, then immediately challenging and accusing members (volunteers!) of the forum trying to help you, is not the way to win friends here.
 
I was mentioned above and now i'm here.

Overall about PSUs
I agree with what PC Tailor said about low quality PSUs because there are bad PSUs out there. Since companies make money on sold products, many companies are willing to lie and outright cheat their customers by selling hazardous PSUs. For those companies, as long as they get your $20 for their PSU, they don't care what happens next. However, there are honest companies out there that care about the products they sell and try their hardest to give customers the best quality PSUs. Some of those few are: Seasonic, Super Flower and Flextronics. All those three are also PSU OEMs (1st grade PSU OEMs, aka best in PSU world) and they also manufacture PSUs to other brands as well (e.g entire XFX PSU lineup is made by Seasonic, or entire Corsair AXi series is made by Flextronics, or entire EVGA Supernova T2 series is made by Super Flower).
Then, there are 2nd grade PSU OEMs, who are capable of producing good quality PSUs but doesn't mind producing low quality PSUs as well. Some of them are: CWT (Channel Well Technology), FSP, Enhance, Delta Electronics, Great Wall. And there are also PSU OEMs who mainly produce low quality PSUs, some of them are: HEC/Compucase, High Power/Sirfa/Sirtec. Though, bulk of the low quality PSUs are made by no-name PSU OEMs.

You can cheap out on every other component inside the PC except PSU. Since PSU powers everything, it is the most important component inside the PC. Also, while the PSU warranty covers the PSU itself and you can RMA the blown PSU, the PSU warranty doesn't cover any other component the PSU fried.

Most people learn the hard way not to cheap out on a PSU when low quality PSU blows and takes part of the system or the whole system with it. With low quality PSUs, question isn't if it blows up but when it blows up. Even entire houses have been burned down because of the fire low quality PSU caused when it blowed up.

So far, you've been lucky that your PSU has kept working. But luck eventually runs out and with that firecracker powering your PC (that Chieftec unit), it can fry your entire PC when it goes sky high. At worst, it will catch fire as well, just like seen here,
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY27LkiEROg


About Chieftec unit
How i can say that Chieftec APB-500B8 is low quality?
Simple. All i need to do is to look at the warranty given to it by Chieftec. Warranty length alone can tell how much trust the PSU brand/OEM has in it's PSU.

For example: Corsair VS series PSUs come with 3 years of warranty. In PSU world, that is way too shot and it also reflects on the reliability of VS series PSUs since most die before the 3 years is up. Also, VS series is the cheapest/worst PSU lineup offered by Corsair.

Another example: Thermaltake Tough Power Grand series PSUs come with 7 years of warranty. That is pretty good since 7 years is nice amount of time for a PSU warranty. With that you can be pretty sure that these PSUs have been built with good components.

Last example: Seasonic PRIME series PSUs (includes all PRIME models: regular, Fanless, AirTouch, SnowSilent, Ultra), come with 12 years of warranty! Now, this is the best you can get in PSU world and you can be certain that any PRIME series PSU is built with utmost care and will contain only the best components.
Also, no other PSU OEM/brand offers so long warranty for their PSUs. With other OEMs/brands, max you can get is 10 years of warranty.

Now, let's see how much warranty Chieftec unit has;
From the spec page, i see 24 months, which is only 2 years. That is peanuts in PSU world. Heck, that Chieftec unit barely passes the European Union laws since here (i live in EU), bare minimum of warranty must be 2 years. Without that EU law, the warranty probably would be much less.

So, think about it a bit. Best PSU money can buy comes with 12 years of warranty, regular PSU (that i'd be comfortable suggesting) comes with 7 years of warranty while what you bought has only 2 years of warranty.

Also, while you saved about $40 or so now by getting that "budget" PSU, once it blows and takes other components with it, the new MoBo and GPU alone would cost you $300 and you'd be needing to buy new PSU as well. However, if it does catch fire, you're looking to loose far more than just your PC. PCs can be bought again, homes can be rebuilt but no-one can take back lost lives. That's why we talk about getting a good quality PSU while avoiding cheap PSUs.

Conclusion
My suggestion for you is to go and buy a new, good quality PSU. With Core i3 and RX 570, any Seasonic unit in 500W range will do just fine, e.g: Focus 550, Focus+ 550, PRIME Snowsilent 550 or PRIME Ultra 550 Platinum
pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/bkp323,KmgzK8,XndxFT,dstQzy/

Warranty wise:
Focus: 7 years
Focus+: 10 years
PRIME: 12 years (includes all PRIME models: regular, Fanless, AirTouch, SnowSilent, Ultra)

All my 3 PCs: Skylake, Haswell and AMD are also powered by Seasonic. Full specs with pics in my sig.

Like it or not, if you want your PC to work for years to come without any risk of fire and/or damage to your components, you need to hand out some money for good quality PSU. I'm not talking that you need to go with the best PSU money can buy, e.g Seasonic PRIME 650 (80+ Titanium), which costs $150+ (and which also powers my Skylake build). Seasonic Focus 550 i linked above costs $73 and is more than enough for your PC, both wattage and build quality wise.

However, if you keep using your "budget" Chieftec PSU, please, do record a video when your cheap PSU blows up since i like to see some good fireworks. Just like seen in here,
youtube:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6snWfd1v7M

If you still think "budget" PSU is best for your PC, i'll be waiting a video from you with good fireworks. Also, do buy a fire extinguisher, just in case.
 
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