Windows 10 long start-up

[XGamer_BiH]

Hello everyone,

I'm using Windows 10 Pro, and when I've done a clean install, it had a startup of about 20 seconds, and now, after about 4 months of use, I have a problem. Windows 10 needs too long time to start, about 55 seconds. Beforce the start screen there is a 10 seconds black screen, after that, before the "welcome" screen, also a 20 seconds black screen, and also when it says "logging in" is needs about 20 seconds. I have disabled all the start up programs. I have no clue for that. I'm using the Core2Quad Q8200 2.33GHz

 

[alexkensit]

Hi,

Are you using HDD? HDDs are very slow, and seeing as you have an old CPU, you may have a HDD, as nowadays there are SSDs. Go into Task Manager and see whats starting up? What specs do you have? Also run a full AV scan.
Thanks, Alex Kensit

 

[guanyu210379]

Processor alone doesnot define how fast your system will boot and react.
RAM size, HDD speed and Windows clean-ness are the other main factors.
Q8200 is still very powerful and fast for Windows 10, if you have at least 4GB RAM (64 bit version of WIn10 is needed to use 4GB RAM effectively) and an SSD (Win10 must be on the SSD).
Having a Windows free of junks, viruses, etc. is also important.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

Hi,

Are you using HDD? HDDs are very slow, and seeing as you have an old CPU, you may have a HDD, as nowadays there are SSDs. Go into Task Manager and see whats starting up? What specs do you have? Also run a full AV scan.
Thanks, Alex Kensit

Sure I'm using HDD, SSDs are still kinda expensive for me. I disabled everything that I could in Task Manager starting programs, only Realtek Audio manager and Java Updater are still enabled.

My specs are
Q8200 2,33GHz
4GB RAM DDR2
GT610 1GB
1TB Western Digital

I'm going to do a full AV scan, but I'm kinda scared for my ton of cracks.
Still thank you.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

Processor alone doesnot define how fast your system will boot and react.
RAM size, HDD speed and Windows clean-ness are the other main factors.
Q8200 is still very powerful and fast for Windows 10, if you have at least 4GB RAM (64 bit version of WIn10 is needed to use 4GB RAM effectively) and an SSD (Win10 must be on the SSD).
Having a Windows free of junks, viruses, etc. is also important.

My specs are
Q8200 2,33GHz
4GB RAM DDR2
GT610 1GB
1TB Western Digital
Win10 64-bit

I'm going to do a big AV scan, and also is there anything else that I should clean...? SSDs are still too expensive for me. Thank you for you answer.

 

[guanyu210379]

SSD makes a big difference. I have SSD since my old Q6600 rig. It is not that expensive anymore and really worth the money.

 

[alexkensit]

An SSD is the best upgrade you can do to your PC. 120GB ones are fairly cheap. You could aways get a 64GB one to save money, although it will be a bit limiting on space.

However, you will not get the full performance out of an SSD because SSDs take advantage of SATA 3, and your board uses SATA 2, so it will be quite a bit slower.

 

[guanyu210379]

64GB is only, if you can really really only afford this one, get better at least 120GB...250GB if possible.
SSD is the best upgrade you can buy even for old system.
I used SSDs on my old Q6600 rig and my still running P8700 laptop.
Trust us, you won't regret the decision of buying an SSD.

 

[alexkensit]

Not to mention SSDs are silent and much more reliable....no need to worry about defragging every month now! SSDs are basically USB flash drives...just a bit faster.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

SSD makes a big difference. I have SSD since my old Q6600 rig. It is not that expensive anymore and really worth the money.

I have about 370GB of games, and if I would get an SSD, I can just use a few games on the SSD, and I believe that I would get better start up, but I'll wait some time, currently they're highly expensive in my country.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

An SSD is the best upgrade you can do to your PC. 120GB ones are fairly cheap. You could aways get a 64GB one to save money, although it will be a bit limiting on space.

However, you will not get the full performance out of an SSD because SSDs take advantage of SATA 3, and your board uses SATA 2, so it will be quite a bit slower.

I believe that I'll get better perfomance, but 64-120GB aren't enough for my needs... also worried about SATA 2 and 3, I'll better wait for a new mobo. Thanks

 

[alexkensit]

Here would be good build.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/qwertyK/saved/#view=jxVscf

Don't bother reusing your GPU, the one in the i3 is miles better

Also, remember you can just have the OS on the SSD and all your games on a HDD.

Alex Kensit

 

[guanyu210379]

I have about 370GB of games, and if I would get an SSD, I can just use a few games on the SSD, and I believe that I would get better start up, but I'll wait some time, currently they're highly expensive in my country.

Not all games gain real advantage from SSD. Only games with frequent loading screen will gain advantage.
You do not have to put all the games on the SSD.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

I have about 370GB of games, and if I would get an SSD, I can just use a few games on the SSD, and I believe that I would get better start up, but I'll wait some time, currently they're highly expensive in my country.

Not all games gain real advantage from SSD. Only games with frequent loading screen will gain advantage.
You do not have to put all the games on the SSD.

What about that my mobo has SATA 2 and SSDs are actually SATA 3?

 

[alexkensit]

Yeah I will just only transfer data/read data at slower SATA 3 speeds. It does make a big difference. and the fact that you have no UEFI makes a difference too. I went from AMD FX which had no UEFI and SATA 3 to a Z97 which had SATA 3 and UEFI, the SSD was the same, and the boot time went from 30 seconds to 12.

 

[XGamer_BiH]

Yeah I will just only transfer data/read data at slower SATA 3 speeds. It does make a big difference. and the fact that you have no UEFI makes a difference too. I went from AMD FX which had no UEFI and SATA 3 to a Z97 which had SATA 3 and UEFI, the SSD was the same, and the boot time went from 30 seconds to 12.

So, that means that I should wait until I get SATA 3, or no?

 

[alexkensit]

To be honest, it's proabably time for an upgrade. The Core 2 Quad is outdated and has since been superceded by the much i5s and i7s.

Here is a good build that will keep you going for a few years. Do you game?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/qwertyK/saved/#view=frgRsY

 

[XGamer_BiH]

To be honest, it's proabably time for an upgrade. The Core 2 Quad is outdated and has since been superceded by the much i5s and i7s.

Here is a good build that will keep you going for a few years. Do you game?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/qwertyK/saved/#view=frgRsY

Yeah I know it is, my budget for the pc is very low, so I'm trying to get the max out of the old cpu. I buy the old ones because they're cheap but good (for me). Yes I do game.

 

[guanyu210379]

What about that my mobo has SATA 2 and SSDs are actually SATA 3?

SATA 2 and 3? They are backward compatible. It is just, that the speed will follow SATA 2, till a hell lot faster than any mechanical HDD.

 

[alexkensit]

Yes, but the OP is already running an outdated system.

 

[guanyu210379]

SSD is the best upgrade you can get. Yes, even on older systems.

All the saying about SATA2 will make your SSD to not have any impact or your SSD is a waste on your outdated system...just ignore them...
Those people adapted SSDs a lot later and have never seen, how SSD can impact older systems.
I as quite an early user of SSDs, I have been using SSDs since 2011 on my Q6600 PC and P8700 laptop.

It depends on what you are doing, older systems can still do the job, I am still keeping my P8700+8GB DDR2 laptop although I have an E3-1231V3+2x GTX970s PC. I even sold my i7 2670qm laptop since I can not use it the fullest.

If you have worries about SSD life span, my 2 120GB Crucial m4s is still alive and kicking since 2011 but I had to replace it with bigger one. No need of worrying about life span.

 

[MindTaffy]

Use Ubuntu Mate at ubuntu-mate.org it uses your system the way it should be used - efficiently.