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Unfortunately, M$ will eventually patch this out too. It'll probably take them a year or so though.
The good news is that the shift+F10 command prompt shortcut is necessary, and if you can get to a command prompt there will almost always be some way to work around the Microsoft account requirement.

Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users. Charge for Professional and Enterprise and turn off all the extra telemetry stuff for those builds. But considering the users are the product these days, the OS itself should just be free.
 
Do we know if it also works on pre-installed Windows? I mean, when you get a new laptop for example and Windows asks to sign-in with a Microsoft account when you boot it for the first time, I always use the bypassnro command to set up our admin local account. Does this trick also works there or only when you do a full fresh install?
 
Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users. Charge for Professional and Enterprise and turn off all the extra telemetry stuff for those builds. But considering the users are the product these days, the OS itself should just be free.
In a dystopian nightmare landscape...? Sure!

The best option would be to, you know, just make the Microsoft account optional.
The fact that Microsoft blatantly lies, saying that the forced Microsoft account is for security reasons, just makes it that much worse.
 
The good news is that the shift+F10 command prompt shortcut is necessary, and if you can get to a command prompt there will almost always be some way to work around the Microsoft account requirement.

Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users. Charge for Professional and Enterprise and turn off all the extra telemetry stuff for those builds. But considering the users are the product these days, the OS itself should just be free.
I totally agree. Once we got past Windows 7, Microsoft was beginning to make Windows a service operating system starting with Windows 8.1 and it was easy to tell because your Windows 8.1 keys gave you a free upgrade to Windows 10 and that turned into Windows 11.

WIndows now makes its money from advertisement and data collection.
 
Do we know if it also works on pre-installed Windows? I mean, when you get a new laptop for example and Windows asks to sign-in with a Microsoft account when you boot it for the first time, I always use the bypassnro command to set up our admin local account. Does this trick also works there or only when you do a full fresh install?
Yes the new start ms command should work fine on OEM computers too.
Laptops can sometimes be tricky to hit the F10 key due to having to hold down the function key (before or after holding down the shift key) to register F10.
 
To be fair... it IS Microsoft's software. They can require whatever they want of their user base. If the user base doesn't like it, don't use it?

Of course if enough users complain and/or boycott, Microsoft will be forced to change their ways.

But as long as they tie their newest and bloatest OS to new PCs, that will never happen.

So, the minority that we are continue to find ways to use their software we want, not the way they want.

Or we don't use it at all.

(I plan to stick with Windows 10...)
 
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Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users. Charge for Professional and Enterprise and turn off all the extra telemetry stuff for those builds. But considering the users are the product these days, the OS itself should just be free.
What's the difference between M$ requiring to give you data you don't want in their hands just because you need to operate your computer or your local supermarket requiring to dance naked everytime you need groceries?

This demand of theirs is quite simply absurd, immoral and if it's not illegal already, that is a regulatory oversight that needs correction.

Windows has become essential infrastructure on personal computers and that means they have to act and behave with prudence and they can't jerk everyone around any way they see fit.

If they don't behave, they need to be separated from Windows like Google from Chrome etc.
 
To be fair... it IS Microsoft's software. They can require whatever they want of their user base. If the user base doesn't like it, don't use it?

Of course if enough users complain and/or boycott, Microsoft will be forced to change their ways.

But as long as they tie their newest and bloatest OS to new PCs, that will never happen.

So, the minority that we are continue to find ways to use their software we want, not the way they want.

Or we don't use it at all.

(I plan to stick with Windows 10...)
Totally understood; and yes, I will continue to use Microsoft products my way.

Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with window dressing and more telemetry. It can be tamed just like Windows 10 can. Unfortunately, many newer systems require 11 due to necessary drivers that are 11 only.

One of the reasons for the saltiness aimed at Microsoft, especially from the IT industry, is that, while Microsoft is trying to force users to use products their way, they are, at the same time, making their user experience, updates, and products worse.
 
Windows has become essential infrastructure on personal computers and that means they have to act and behave with prudence and they can't jerk everyone around any way they see fit.
There are large governments who don't agree that "windows is essential infrastructure".

Many governments around the world are seriously looking at ways to use Linux variants of one type or another.

Once there are serious alternatives to gaming on PCs, like SteamOS, Windows will be in a heap of hurt.

Unless MS changes their ways. (Which has happened...)
 
Totally understood; and yes, I will continue to use Microsoft products my way.

Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with window dressing and more telemetry. It can be tamed just like Windows 10 can. Unfortunately, many newer systems require 11 due to necessary drivers that are 11 only.

One of the reasons for the saltiness aimed at Microsoft, especially from the IT industry, is that, while Microsoft is trying to force users to use products their way, they are, at the same time, making their user experience, updates, and products worse.

We're on the same page. At some point I'll probably ameliorate Win11 for my use, when drivers force me to.

Microsoft products are, for the most part, getting dumber and harder to use. As an IT professional and programmer, almost every day I come across something that makes me shake my head "I can't believe MS did that".

As long as Windows is tied to hardware and the average PC user is clueless, Microsoft can basically do what they want.
 
The good news is that the shift+F10 command prompt shortcut is necessary, and if you can get to a command prompt there will almost always be some way to work around the Microsoft account requirement.

Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users. Charge for Professional and Enterprise and turn off all the extra telemetry stuff for those builds. But considering the users are the product these days, the OS itself should just be free.
Especially since Windows non enterprise editions make up a fraction of their revenue. Also if they did that it'd shave a non trivial amount off laptops and soon to be handhelds.

Something else they really need to do us dump TPM 2.0 requirements so Ryzen 1000 series and earlier era machines can upgrade without resorting to Rufus or other unofficial means
 
Especially since Windows non enterprise editions make up a fraction of their revenue. Also if they did that it'd shave a non trivial amount off laptops and soon to be handhelds.

Something else they really need to do us dump TPM 2.0 requirements so Ryzen 1000 series and earlier era machines can upgrade without resorting to Rufus or other unofficial means
I don't think TPM version is the issue with Ryzen 1K (which supports TPM 2.0 via the built-in fTPM AFAIK, so long as your motherboard supports enabling it). It was lack of some virtualization features I believe. Same as Intel 6th gen Skylake, which definitely has built-in TMP 2.0 functionality but isn't (officially) supported by Win11.
 
This demand of theirs is quite simply absurd, immoral and if it's not illegal already, that is a regulatory oversight that needs correction.
Good luck with that. I imagine everyone posting on this forum probably has a smartphone which mandates logins and pulls far more information with no recourse for people who want to avoid it. I'm absolutely not saying any of this is a good thing and I find it absurd, but it is the reality we're all in.
 
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Good luck with that. I imagine everyone posting on this forum probably has a portable tracking device (smartphone) which mandates logins and pulls far more information with no recourse for people who want to avoid it. I'm absolutely not saying any of this is a good thing and I find it absurd, but it is the reality we're all in.

FTFY

The ironic part is we do it voluntarily!
 
Honestly, what MS needs to do? Keep the MS account requirement and make Windows 11 truly free for all home users.
It is effectively "free".

People buy a new PC, it comes preinstalled. You don't see an individual line item on your receipt for "Windows OS".
And the vast majority of windows users do it with a prebuilt.

The small number of DIY builders...can upgrade their current Win 10 license, for free.

Single Win 10 or 11 licenses make up a tiny tiny portion of MS profits.
 
It is effectively "free".

People buy a new PC, it comes preinstalled. You don't see an individual line item on your receipt for "Windows OS".
And the vast majority of windows users do it with a prebuilt.

The small number of DIY builders...can upgrade their current Win 10 license, for free.

Single Win 10 or 11 licenses make up a tiny tiny portion of MS profits.
Let's not go into how M$ has at times forced vendors not to sell PCs without Windows pre-installed: it's about as free as sales tax, which comes included on every purchase and is listed, while your brain might omit registering it.

Here in Europe quite a few laptops are still sold without Windows: actually they are sold with a "DOS" or a "Linpus", which for some reason always fails to boot, when you switch them on...

Costing typically €50-100 less, these are often targeted at students, who then get their "free" Windows and Office from the University subsidized by M$, just to make sure that by the time they are ready to enter the workforce, they are addicted to M$ ware and by then it's the employer who has to pay the M$ tax.

M$ learned decades ago that going full throttle after "software piracy", killed their market share, so they changed tracks.

With Trumputin tariffs, drastic erosion of alliances and separation of powers becoming public, the sovereignty issue on who decides what's going on on personal computers will return much harder and unhitching the Google and M$ data siphoning hose from personal, corporate and institutional computing devices will become essential to maintain the essential degree of sovereignty required to survive.

I just spent another few hours testing Bazzite against the family Steam library with the vast majority of titles working rather well, certainly a lot better than I remembered from my last round a year or two ago. These days the Atomic derived read-only nature is actually the bigger issue for me than game compatibility, because 45 years of Unix habits are hard to change: much less of a problem for the rest of the family. KDE is the better Windows GUI than Windows without the Classic Shell, GNOME's fruity cult antics might have cost me a decade in Linux desktop adoption, just as Ubuntu color schemes pushed me to CentOS until IBM turned on the RedLight.

I left dark mode with the arrival of GEM on the PC pretty exactly 40 years ago, with the Ventura publisher as a killer app a year later. I just cannot fathom why people would want to go back to glaring letters on black, ...except that probably the principal intellectual input for those generations was no longer books printed on paper. To me 1000 nits letters on true black OLED are like heavy metal pumped into a science lecture, pure torture at all levels of perception.

(PERHAPS DARK MODE IS THE REAL REASON WHY SOME ELDERLY TURN TO CAPITAL LETTERS TO EXCRETE THEIR MIND?)

I finally ditched all M$-Office last fall and everything money-making has long been M$ free with me and my company for decades.

M$ has always played the long game, trying to turn up the heat so slow that people were cooked before their escape mechanism triggered: they copied that lesson from the Fruity Cult, too.

But Muskovich and Medvedevance together with that inane Co-Plot push have stirred the waves and upped the speedometer probably a bit too much, so whoever still can, may now move.
 
Good luck with that. I imagine everyone posting on this forum probably has a smartphone which mandates logins and pulls far more information with no recourse for people who want to avoid it. I'm absolutely not saying any of this is a good thing and I find it absurd, but it is the reality we're all in.
FTFY

The ironic part is we do it voluntarily!

Nope. I migrated to a Linux smartphone because I won't be spied on.

It is not the reality we live in, you don't have to accept it either.

You choose to accept it. This one is entirely on you. If I had a nickel for every person I saw making an excuse for why they're staying on some spyware platform, I'd be a wealthy man indeed.
 
Nope. I migrated to a Linux smartphone because I won't be spied on.

It is not the reality we live in, you don't have to accept it either.

You choose to accept it. This one is entirely on you. If I had a nickel for every person I saw making an excuse for why they're staying on some spyware platform, I'd be a wealthy man indeed.
I'm glad it works for you, but this is hardly a simple or universal solution.
 
I don't think TPM version is the issue with Ryzen 1K (which supports TPM 2.0 via the built-in fTPM AFAIK, so long as your motherboard supports enabling it). It was lack of some virtualization features I believe. Same as Intel 6th gen Skylake, which definitely has built-in TMP 2.0 functionality but isn't (officially) supported by Win11.
That just proves that this particular requirement in itself is not really as important as they make it out to be, it's just something that look purdy for the checklist that's already there for what they actually want.

Truth is they themselves don't really have hard requirements, at some point it became a moving target with them not even acknowledging that for win10 you NEED an SSD unless you want endless frustration being probably the first sign that they lost hold of the reigns.