God, I swear it is easier and simpler just to do a clean install! chances are you don't even use 99% of the apps you have installed, so you only have to reinstall that 1%, and get the benefit of the speed increase gained from not having 100,000 background updaters running!!
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I really don't understand why everyone is getting on the author. He is reporting a real problem that many are having. No different than the articles about Apples latest OS having problems. If it can be reported for OS then it very much should be equally reported for another.
I am going to be upgrading three computers in our home with a family pack and will do clean installs on all of them, but I always do a clean install whenever I need to upgrade the OS or run into problems. My personal computer has four 1TB drives in raid though and we have an additional four external drives connected to the home network, so backing up the three desktops and my laptop is an easy thing to do.
But that being said of the circle of family, friends and neighbors that I am asked to work on when there is a problem only two other computers have external drives or even secondary drives to do backups and they will not take the time to do DVD/CD based backups. I've tried to convince them over and over to get something, anything and the most I've been able to do is get them using USB flash drives because I gave everyone an 8GB Sandisk last year taped to their Christmas cards.
People on this site tend to think that everyone has all the hardware they do, would do complete backups and clean installs like they do, and so on.
The truth is the average person walking into Walmart or Best Buy is going to take the box home, stick the disk in the drive and follow the prompts. Just like they do on every other install menu, like for service packs etc.. they will look at any recommendations to backup and just click through and install anyway. many are going to loose their data same as every other upgrade cycle, from lack of knowledge and if they are a Vista user previously from developing an indifference to OS messages and will just click through without reading.
I am going to be upgrading three computers in our home with a family pack and will do clean installs on all of them, but I always do a clean install whenever I need to upgrade the OS or run into problems. My personal computer has four 1TB drives in raid though and we have an additional four external drives connected to the home network, so backing up the three desktops and my laptop is an easy thing to do.
But that being said of the circle of family, friends and neighbors that I am asked to work on when there is a problem only two other computers have external drives or even secondary drives to do backups and they will not take the time to do DVD/CD based backups. I've tried to convince them over and over to get something, anything and the most I've been able to do is get them using USB flash drives because I gave everyone an 8GB Sandisk last year taped to their Christmas cards.
People on this site tend to think that everyone has all the hardware they do, would do complete backups and clean installs like they do, and so on.
The truth is the average person walking into Walmart or Best Buy is going to take the box home, stick the disk in the drive and follow the prompts. Just like they do on every other install menu, like for service packs etc.. they will look at any recommendations to backup and just click through and install anyway. many are going to loose their data same as every other upgrade cycle, from lack of knowledge and if they are a Vista user previously from developing an indifference to OS messages and will just click through without reading.
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Interesting how you hate the author for merely pointing out the some users are experiencing problems with Win7 installs. He says that it happens to a very small number of users and yet he's "a pure mac fan".
Fascinating how much hate someone can gather by simply not saying nothing but praises about MS
Fascinating how much hate someone can gather by simply not saying nothing but praises about MS
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[citation][nom]legierk[/nom]Yep, same here[/citation]
The duty of a free press is to challenge the status quo, and report with critical thought. You should be happy Tom's is acting more like a credible news source, and less like a little blogging club for microsoft fans.
He may be biased, but so what? Other writers are biased toward PCs. Its healthy to have a balance.
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The duty of a free press is to challenge the status quo, and report with critical thought. You should be happy Tom's is acting more like a credible news source, and less like a little blogging club for microsoft fans.
He may be biased, but so what? Other writers are biased toward PCs. Its healthy to have a balance.
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“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"...
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Marcus, your opening paragraph is a prime example why you seem so hated here. It is written in a tone of pure hatred rather that fact telling. As for Microsoft rushing their product out and then having problems, this is nothing new in any industry. Mac = Snow Leopard deleting files, Cars = new models having reliability issues, Xerox = new printers (At work we had a brand new model and the handle for the tray broke frequently, tech said design flaw released a kit to fix and now is fine). The real question should be, was Microsoft able to support this customer in getting out of said loop so they may back up files and do an alternative way? Was Mac able to support it's customer that lost their data to fully recover it? These are the answers consumers want to know. How each individual company handles their set backs indicates the true value of the company. Legitimate testing and benchmarks that are on equal terms, unlike that pile you had up on windows being slower than mac, will go a long way. And in my personal opinion $200 for an upgrade (sorry mac but since you have to already own the mac and there is no option to build yourself it is an upgrade) with some problems but able to keep my data is cheaper than $30 and losing it all.
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lol Marcus bashing Micrsoft is status quo, juts about everything ive read from his is blatant pro apple and anti microsoft.
[citation][nom]jjchmiel78[/nom]Marcus, your opening paragraph is a prime example why you seem so hated here. It is written in a tone of pure hatred rather that fact telling. As for Microsoft rushing their product out and then having problems, this is nothing new in any industry. Mac = Snow Leopard deleting files, Cars = new models having reliability issues, Xerox = new printers (At work we had a brand new model and the handle for the tray broke frequently, tech said design flaw released a kit to fix and now is fine). The real question should be, was Microsoft able to support this customer in getting out of said loop so they may back up files and do an alternative way? Was Mac able to support it's customer that lost their data to fully recover it? These are the answers consumers want to know. How each individual company handles their set backs indicates the true value of the company. Legitimate testing and benchmarks that are on equal terms, unlike that pile you had up on windows being slower than mac, will go a long way. And in my personal opinion $200 for an upgrade (sorry mac but since you have to already own the mac and there is no option to build yourself it is an upgrade) with some problems but able to keep my data is cheaper than $30 and losing it all.[/citation]
nice point jj, if i remember right mac never fixed it till the deleting issue got considerable press attention.
nice point jj, if i remember right mac never fixed it till the deleting issue got considerable press attention.
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2 notebooks...one clean install...one upgrade, both 64bit. Both went flawless. How many of these problems people are having are related to their pc's ALREADY being completely riddled with trojans, spyware or completely screwed up from previous "messing around" with? And how many folks backup their info on a regular basis? Meh...
No offense...but some folks just don't have a clue what they are doing. That's just the way it is (and will always be).
No offense...but some folks just don't have a clue what they are doing. That's just the way it is (and will always be).
I love how people whip out the OS X guest account thing as if it's anything more than a dull jab. With their common chant "90% market share!" and the OS X guest account bug only effecting a very small percentage of their very small percentage, the chances are much greater that the failed installs on Windows 7 will be many times the number as any OS X bug.
Using your example, I'm sure Marcus could have written an article or two on an office PC after his OS X upgrade, that is if they didn't have any pre-release copies of Windows 7 for evaluation purposes and could actually use the PC's.
Then I guess he would have written those articles on his iPhone.
Using your example, I'm sure Marcus could have written an article or two on an office PC after his OS X upgrade, that is if they didn't have any pre-release copies of Windows 7 for evaluation purposes and could actually use the PC's.
Then I guess he would have written those articles on his iPhone.
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I dont really why is everyone making a fuss out of this tiny weeny cases... how many people affected?... 1% of the people who uses this process??.. then i guess this is just meant to hurt the credibility of Microsoft.. at least u should praise the microsoft techies's efforts to improve the situation.. then u wouldnt sound much like the fanbois...
[citation][nom]dheadley[/nom]I love how people whip out the OS X guest account thing as if it's anything more than a dull jab. With their common chant "90% market share!" and the OS X guest account bug only effecting a very small percentage of their very small percentage, the chances are much greater that the failed installs on Windows 7 will be many times the number as any OS X bug. Using your example, I'm sure Marcus could have written an article or two on an office PC after his OS X upgrade, that is if they didn't have any pre-release copies of Windows 7 for evaluation purposes and could actually use the PC's. Then I guess he would have written those articles on his iPhone.[/citation]
this is a possibility but the data isn't deleted and can therefor be extracted by slaving the drive or by repairing the upgrade, unlike that mac bug that deleted information then was fixed some months later, only after considerable press attention. I'm not a fan of any OS exclusively, i have a mac i love it, i have windows 7 gaming rig, i love it, and i have a fedora/ubuntu box which i also love. The bottom line is though how far your money goes and how much you really get out of your purchase, for some people lost data can be priceless. If my mac deleted pictures of my dead grandmother, steve job's would of recieved my lawyers letter of intention to sue.
this is a possibility but the data isn't deleted and can therefor be extracted by slaving the drive or by repairing the upgrade, unlike that mac bug that deleted information then was fixed some months later, only after considerable press attention. I'm not a fan of any OS exclusively, i have a mac i love it, i have windows 7 gaming rig, i love it, and i have a fedora/ubuntu box which i also love. The bottom line is though how far your money goes and how much you really get out of your purchase, for some people lost data can be priceless. If my mac deleted pictures of my dead grandmother, steve job's would of recieved my lawyers letter of intention to sue.
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dheadley you scream mac fan in your response. Where are the articles saying PC is failing on the upgrade process 5 out of every 100 versus 1 out of every 100 for mac or vice versa? That answer with verified statistics would answer this paticular debate. Where is the article saying Mac resolved this issue or if you experience the bug Mac will recover your lost data for you? Where are the indications whether MS is doing anything about this? It is one thing to post a pile of an article promoting one thing and then another bashing it's competitor or doing like it should be done. His "News Articles" come across as a mac fan posting on web board more than actually reporting news.
My guess would be that the problem in the article was do to the laptop having issues with Win7 and not Win7 itself. My mother's Dell when you install SP2 for XP slows to a crawl and is almost unusable so she will remain at SP1 on that PC.
I myself have had ZERO issues with the upgrade version but of course I did a fresh install with it which is the absolute only way to go. People need to learn how to back their files up in a manner that any failure will not result in a total loss of things they cannot do without if they lose them. People put too much stock in electronic hardware...folks electronic will fail at any given time new or old.
I myself have had ZERO issues with the upgrade version but of course I did a fresh install with it which is the absolute only way to go. People need to learn how to back their files up in a manner that any failure will not result in a total loss of things they cannot do without if they lose them. People put too much stock in electronic hardware...folks electronic will fail at any given time new or old.
[citation][nom]jjchmiel78[/nom]dheadley you scream mac fan in your response. Where are the articles saying PC is failing on the upgrade process 5 out of every 100 versus 1 out of every 100 for mac or vice versa? That answer with verified statistics would answer this paticular debate. Where is the article saying Mac resolved this issue or if you experience the bug Mac will recover your lost data for you? Where are the indications whether MS is doing anything about this? It is one thing to post a pile of an article promoting one thing and then another bashing it's competitor or doing like it should be done. His "News Articles" come across as a mac fan posting on web board more than actually reporting news.[/citation]
This is sad but true, could you imagine writing all these articles on an iphone because is mac is down. I'd love to be sitting next to marcus with a shiny new non mac laptop, typing away jibberish on a windows 7 pc with windows office, with a shirt saying "i'm a mac and i eat sh*t for breakfast"
This is sad but true, could you imagine writing all these articles on an iphone because is mac is down. I'd love to be sitting next to marcus with a shiny new non mac laptop, typing away jibberish on a windows 7 pc with windows office, with a shirt saying "i'm a mac and i eat sh*t for breakfast"
[citation][nom]dhowie[/nom] The bottom line is though how far your money goes and how much you really get out of your purchase, for some people lost data can be priceless. If my mac deleted pictures of my dead grandmother, steve job's would of recieved my lawyers letter of intention to sue.[/citation] Have you ever read a EULA from any OS? I have never seen one that said anything other than your data is your responsibility and if something goes wrong then sorry for your bad luck. If there's one out there that's different then due tell because I am curious.
[citation][nom]sinless[/nom]Have you ever read a EULA from any OS? I have never seen one that said anything other than your data is your responsibility and if something goes wrong then sorry for your bad luck. If there's one out there that's different then due tell because I am curious.[/citation]
its not in any eula sinless, im just making a point, and i don't have to have ground to stand on. All you need is enough attention and press and steve will be playing damage control.
its not in any eula sinless, im just making a point, and i don't have to have ground to stand on. All you need is enough attention and press and steve will be playing damage control.
[citation][nom]dhowie[/nom]its not in any eula sinless, im just making a point, and i don't have to have ground to stand on. All you need is enough attention and press and steve will be playing damage control.[/citation]
i agree with you dhowie, i dont care if its steve jobs or bill gates in the hot seat, all you need is enough attention. what happened with that mac bug was terrible, and it wasnt fixed for months.
i agree with you dhowie, i dont care if its steve jobs or bill gates in the hot seat, all you need is enough attention. what happened with that mac bug was terrible, and it wasnt fixed for months.
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I'm happy to get any interesting tech news, and I think its only natural that people are going to inject their own thoughts (and sometimes even bias) into articles. Hell just look at any major news network (I know, I know, not a good example as they all suck anyway...)
Regardless of what OS you use, thanks for the news Marcus.
Regardless of what OS you use, thanks for the news Marcus.
I'm not a MAC fan in any way. I am 44 years old and have been using MS products since the 286 days and have never owned any Apple hardware or even used OS X. I have four computers in the house all running Windows. Two Vista 64 SLi gaming rigs for my teenage son and myself, and my wifes desktop and my laptop running XP SP3. All three desktops will be running Windows 7 after I upgrade them with a family pack.
What I am is opposed to anyone that try's to paint Windows as the greatest OS ever and that any problems with it are obviously caused by the user, the hardware, the lunar solstice or anything other than Windows itself.
The same people that on any given website attack anyone that dares to question MS as a company or Windows as a platform, down ranking anyone that has an opinion other than their own.
Yet those same people can take pot shots at every other OS with abandon and think that it is fine and dandy.
What I am is opposed to anyone that try's to paint Windows as the greatest OS ever and that any problems with it are obviously caused by the user, the hardware, the lunar solstice or anything other than Windows itself.
The same people that on any given website attack anyone that dares to question MS as a company or Windows as a platform, down ranking anyone that has an opinion other than their own.
Yet those same people can take pot shots at every other OS with abandon and think that it is fine and dandy.
[citation][nom]dhowie[/nom]its not in any eula sinless, im just making a point, and i don't have to have ground to stand on. All you need is enough attention and press and steve will be playing damage control.[/citation] Ok, that I can agree somewhat with. I've just worked enough tech support jobs to get very skittish about people thinking things are covered that aren't. There was a woman that wanted her electrocuted cat replaced once... >.<
[citation][nom]sinless[/nom]Ok, that I can agree somewhat with. I've just worked enough tech support jobs to get very skittish about people thinking things are covered that aren't. There was a woman that wanted her electrocuted cat replaced once... >.<[/citation]
its cool i understand, i own a computer repair business and if it wasn't for problems i'd be out a job, i have to explain all the time to customers, no matter how many times i tell them they won't back up. The people who do back up though, usually turn out to be creepers with questionable data. Take that as you will
its cool i understand, i own a computer repair business and if it wasn't for problems i'd be out a job, i have to explain all the time to customers, no matter how many times i tell them they won't back up. The people who do back up though, usually turn out to be creepers with questionable data. Take that as you will
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First of all if people would take a minute to read they would know how to pull things out in the first place.
Myself I have never done an upgrade in my life, and I've tested most of MS OS, upgrade it's not a real option, not if you don't back up your stuff, close all the programs and do the upgrade on a PC that be as good as fresh installed one. Otherwise you will encounter this kind of bumps in your way to success.
Myself I have never done an upgrade in my life, and I've tested most of MS OS, upgrade it's not a real option, not if you don't back up your stuff, close all the programs and do the upgrade on a PC that be as good as fresh installed one. Otherwise you will encounter this kind of bumps in your way to success.
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