But if Windows 9 doesn't deliver and learn from Ballmer's mistakes (Vista/Win8/metro tiles) I feel like MS will end up falling from everyone's good graces.
Cry and moan about win8/Metro all that you want, but at least get your facts straight. Win8 has had a more successful life cycle than every other version of windows except for XP and 7, sure it was not exactly what they hoped for, but it was hardly a failure.Normally, I'd gasp at the thought of another version of Windows so soon from Win8 release. But since Windows 8.x is such a huge FAIL at this point I won't balk. But if Windows 9 doesn't deliver and learn from Ballmer's mistakes (Vista/Win8/metro tiles) I feel like MS will end up falling from everyone's good graces. I usually defend MS but if Win9 is another MS mistake I may have to change my stance. We'll see...
If you saw the extremely brief demo of the Metro Start Menu at the Build conference you would have noticed that it was worded as being an optional feature. I would almost bet that we will see a more mature Metro interface for everyone by default, and Professional customers (not standard/home) will have an option for the more traditional start menu and floating apps.I have a feeling that modern ui isn't going to go away when they stated that there will be changes to modern ui in windows 9. I just hope that means it's disabled automaticly for none touch screen displays.
Cry and moan about win8/Metro all that you want, but at least get your facts straight. Win8 has had a more successful life cycle than every other version of windows except for XP and 7, sure it was not exactly what they hoped for, but it was hardly a failure.Normally, I'd gasp at the thought of another version of Windows so soon from Win8 release. But since Windows 8.x is such a huge FAIL at this point I won't balk. But if Windows 9 doesn't deliver and learn from Ballmer's mistakes (Vista/Win8/metro tiles) I feel like MS will end up falling from everyone's good graces. I usually defend MS but if Win9 is another MS mistake I may have to change my stance. We'll see...
The UP button was on Explorer XP. There is an explorer replacement called "Better Explorer" - its free. It has styling like Win8, with UP button and includes TABS that can remember you last location after a reboot.Widows 8, biggest asset is the improved file explorer. I wish they would make a version like 7, but with Win 8's file explorer (that would be sweet). I suppose they could add a Metro option, to keep the fanboi's content.
@SteelCity1981 I just hope your wrong, I want the new UI on the desktop, I use it everyday for work and every night for play. People who hate windows 8 are just afraid of change and it's people like that who hold our society behind. Windows 8 is the only thing bringing me back to windows...
CaedenV :Cry and moan about win8/Metro all that you want, but at least get your facts straight. Win8 has had a more successful life cycle than every other version of windows except for XP and 7, sure it was not exactly what they hoped for, but it was hardly a failure.Normally, I'd gasp at the thought of another version of Windows so soon from Win8 release. But since Windows 8.x is such a huge FAIL at this point I won't balk. But if Windows 9 doesn't deliver and learn from Ballmer's mistakes (Vista/Win8/metro tiles) I feel like MS will end up falling from everyone's good graces. I usually defend MS but if Win9 is another MS mistake I may have to change my stance. We'll see...
As much as I am not a fan of Balmer, many of the issues with Office, Windows, and their absolutely glacial pace towards making changes to anything were due to other department heads. Lo and behold, Balmer started pushing things ahead and firing people and he was forced out of his position and now Nadella gets all of the credit. Again, I cringe just as much as anyone else when Balmer opens his mouth, but he took a lot of flack for things that were simply not his fault.
The normal Windows release pace is 3 years. '95, '98, then a bit of a train wreck with ME/'00/XP all released back to back, then XP SP2 in '04 which everyone expected to be a new revision, then Vista in '07, Win7 in '09 (which was early after Vista bombed), Win8 in '12, and exactly 3 years later we are expecting Win9 in '15. There is no conspiracy, no cover up, outside of the odd merger and restructuring of ME/NT which resulted in XP, the only early release was Windows 7.
Win9 Professional may bring a business option which will hopefully include a more traditional start menu and floating metro apps, but more likely than not the default view will just be a more mature Metro style interface, and I would almost bet that the standard/home edition will not have the start menu and floating app option because many people actually like it. Sure, you and I don't, but most of my family and neighbors like it just fine once they used it for a while.
If the release of XB1 has taught us anything it is that MS listens to it's customers (or at least telemetry data). Not moving faster on making these changes to win8/9 is because the noisy people who continue throwing a fit about the Start Screen are in the minority... and I suspect a small minority at that.
Perhaps this is true, but each release of Windows in the past (for the most part) offered dramatic improvement in performance and user interface. Aside from fixing a few UI issues (which were poorly designed from the start), what would be in a Windows 9 update that would justify the cost of an upgrade? If they think people aren't upgrading from XP as fast as they would like, people certainly aren't going to be upgrading from 8. Asking people to pay for changes that should have been made to begin with is laughable.
@SteelCity1981 I just hope your wrong, I want the new UI on the desktop, I use it everyday for work and every night for play. People who hate windows 8 are just afraid of change and it's people like that who hold our society behind. Windows 8 is the only thing bringing me back to windows...
CaedenV :Cry and moan about win8/Metro all that you want, but at least get your facts straight. Win8 has had a more successful life cycle than every other version of windows except for XP and 7, sure it was not exactly what they hoped for, but it was hardly a failure.Normally, I'd gasp at the thought of another version of Windows so soon from Win8 release. But since Windows 8.x is such a huge FAIL at this point I won't balk. But if Windows 9 doesn't deliver and learn from Ballmer's mistakes (Vista/Win8/metro tiles) I feel like MS will end up falling from everyone's good graces. I usually defend MS but if Win9 is another MS mistake I may have to change my stance. We'll see...
As much as I am not a fan of Balmer, many of the issues with Office, Windows, and their absolutely glacial pace towards making changes to anything were due to other department heads. Lo and behold, Balmer started pushing things ahead and firing people and he was forced out of his position and now Nadella gets all of the credit. Again, I cringe just as much as anyone else when Balmer opens his mouth, but he took a lot of flack for things that were simply not his fault.
The normal Windows release pace is 3 years. '95, '98, then a bit of a train wreck with ME/'00/XP all released back to back, then XP SP2 in '04 which everyone expected to be a new revision, then Vista in '07, Win7 in '09 (which was early after Vista bombed), Win8 in '12, and exactly 3 years later we are expecting Win9 in '15. There is no conspiracy, no cover up, outside of the odd merger and restructuring of ME/NT which resulted in XP, the only early release was Windows 7.
Win9 Professional may bring a business option which will hopefully include a more traditional start menu and floating metro apps, but more likely than not the default view will just be a more mature Metro style interface, and I would almost bet that the standard/home edition will not have the start menu and floating app option because many people actually like it. Sure, you and I don't, but most of my family and neighbors like it just fine once they used it for a while.
If the release of XB1 has taught us anything it is that MS listens to it's customers (or at least telemetry data). Not moving faster on making these changes to win8/9 is because the noisy people who continue throwing a fit about the Start Screen are in the minority... and I suspect a small minority at that.
Perhaps this is true, but each release of Windows in the past (for the most part) offered dramatic improvement in performance and user interface. Aside from fixing a few UI issues (which were poorly designed from the start), what would be in a Windows 9 update that would justify the cost of an upgrade? If they think people aren't upgrading from XP as fast as they would like, people certainly aren't going to be upgrading from 8. Asking people to pay for changes that should have been made to begin with is laughable.