Windows 95 installed on new computer?

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

hello all. how is everyone?
dell lattitude. 2gig.
I have installed Windows 95 half a dozen times so far. no success. successful install, but then MAXphyPAGE=30000 changed to 40000 and 512000 but different error message now. either windows protection error or insufficient memory.
is anyone smart enough to know how to do this?

 

[aldan]

actually most everyone on here is smart enough to know it cant be done.im not even going to ask the reason for this lunatic post.

 

[RaDiKaL_]

Your best bet is to install Windows 7+ OS and over it run a virtual machine where you install Windows 95, you can use Oracle Virtual Box among many others.

 

[Deleted member 1898488]

your cpu may be too fast for 95.
first it has a timing issue at 350mhz and then again at 2.1ghz
Take a look at this thread:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/141402-windows-95-21ghz-cpu-limit-broken/

 

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

190221, hey, what's up my friend
yea, alright!!!http://m.bestofmedia.com/sfp/images/design/usr/smilies/66/19/james-t-kirk-uss-enterprise.gif

have you done it before yourself?
you put the disk (the FIX95CPU disk) into the drive and run the .exe?
is this how you do it?

hi aldan,

quote by aldan
"actually most everyone on here is smart enough to know"
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RaDiKaL_, nice to hear from you
thanks for the reply!!

i have already tried it in a VM machine and was successful, at first. then, after installing several OS's, it may have caused it to become convulted.
whatever the reason, it stopped working. not looking forward to installing it all from scratch again.

GENERAL NOTE
i am not trying to install windows in a VM machine.
if i had been trying to do so, as i was initially, i was ALSO, still, unsuccessful as well.
some kind of trouble possibly syncing the floppy drive with the program or something?



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[crashing_driver]

Not old school enough! Windows 95 ...pffffffffft. You can have my Radio Shack TRS-80 if you're reeeeeeeally craving street cred.

 

[Deleted member 1898488]

instructions:

SECTION TWO:

Follow these Instructions to get Windows 95 up and running.

You Will Need:

Blank Floppy Disk or Blank CD

Files Contained In FIX95CPU.ZIP

NOTE:

If your system does not have a floppy drive, the FIX95CPU.ISO

Bootable CD image in this package can be used (with Nero or

a similar CD burning program) to create a bootable CD that can

be used instead of a floppy.

NOTE:

These instructions and the FIX95CPU installer assume that

you are installing Windows 95 to C:\ Drive, however you can

use a directory other than C:\WINDOWS.

1. On another computer, use the self-extracting Floppy Disk image

(FIX95CPU.EXE) or the Bootable CD image (FIX95CPU.ISO)

provided in FIX95CPU.ZIP to create a custom Boot Disk

that will contain this patch.

2. Prepare your system and run Windows 95 Setup.

3. When Windows 95 asks you to Restart, insert the Boot Disk or

Boot CD that you created with the enclosed image, and click

Finish. You should have the Boot Disk or Boot CD inserted

BEFORE Windows Setup continues and the IOS error is displayed

in order to speed up the boot process by combining .VXD's

with WININIT.EXE, but this version allows for installation

after the IOS error has been displayed.

4. The Boot Disk will start your computer in DOS mode. Press SPACE and

you will be given an opportunity to view this README file.

Choose Y or N, and then all you need to do is press SPACE again

to bring up the next page of the README, or to apply the patch.

The program will output its actions to the screen so you can see

what is being done.

Pressing CTRL-C at any time will terminate the FIX95CPU program.

5. When finished, press SPACE to reboot your system, then remove the

Boot Disk or Boot CD so Windows 95 Setup can continue normally.

If you are installing Windows 95 RTM/A or C OSR2.5, you are finished.

For Windows 95 B OSR2 ONLY:

6. When Setup is complete and your Windows Desktop loads, run

VMM2XUPD.EXE to update VMM.VXD to the latest version, and you

will be prompted to restart.

This update is not necessary on Windows 95 C OSR2.5.

If you have Windows 95 RTM/A or C OSR2.5, skip this step.

The VMM2XUPD.EXE will not install on Windows 95 RTM/A.

The VMM2XUPD.EXE update addresses the following issue:

Q179897 - Memory Management Problems with Pentium Processors

You have successfully completed all steps.

Install the drivers for your hardware and your programs.

Have Fun!

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yes, just run FIX95CPU.EXE on a different computer, it will write to a floppy diskette. Put said diskette in the dell latitude computer and boot from it, and follow the instructions on the screen. If you dont have a floppy drive in your PC get a USB floppy drive or instead use a tool like IMGBurn to burn FIX95CPU.ISO(also in the ZIP file) to a CD/DVD.

 

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

thanks 190221
glad for the reply

will do. i am now going to make my floppy disk DVD to put in the CD drive
i am converting my CD drive into a 3.5" floppy drive
will follow all onscreen instructions

is there any advice I need to know about this process, such as things to do before, during, or after this process?

QUESTION
after this program has completed and the floppy disk is installed on my computer, I will then be able to successfully
proceed with the fresh install of windows 95?
(i.e. this is a patch to fix the problem so that windows 95 can be successfully installed)


[on my way to becoming a computer expert. I am now doing what most people say is completely impossible. making the impossible to be possible.
this is awesome!!!!!!!!!]

 

[Deleted member 1898488]

no, install windows, when it shows the error, insert the floppy disk and reboot onto it, follow instructions on the screen, then take the disk out and reboot as normal.

 

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

hey 190221,😀
excellent, so glad you made it back!!!!

just so that there is no confusion, this is what i ascertained from what you just said --

STEPS:
A) format drive (just so you know that the OS is a FRESH INSTALL and there are no doubts in your mind as to the level of purification)
1) make special windows 95 drive partition
2) FRESH INSTALL windows 95
3) when windows 95 results in an error, insert the floppy disk DVD into the CD drive
4) turn off computer
5) turn on computer
6) follow on the screen instructions
7) take the disk out
8) reboot

SIDE NOTE:
when windows 95 was installed, i ran into the problem of not being able to access my CD drive (albeit the floppy drive help at this point is completely useless
unless i can somehow figure out the correct way to add startup disk to the HD as it was done long ago, or just mscdex.exe, himem.sys, Oakdrive.exe.

QUESTION
1) do you know how to put a "startup disk" on the HD, WITHOUT a floppy drive or CD capabilities/access?
2) do you know how to add the files: mscdex.exe, himem.sys, Oakdrive.exe, and to program manually the mscdex001=d:/ ?????

SIDE NOTE:
when windows 95 first came out, computer users ran into the same difficulty: having to manually program in the "mscdex001=d:/"
a floppy 3.5" drive was required for step 1

QUESTION
*you know about the "special windows 95 drive partition" right?



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[BFG-9000]

QUESTION
1) do you know how to put a "startup disk" on the HD, WITHOUT a floppy drive or CD capabilities/access?
2) do you know how to add the files: mscdex.exe, himem.sys, Oakdrive.exe, and to program manually the mscdex001=d:/ ?????

Windows 9x doesn't require the "sys" command at all to put the system onto the disk, just Windows Explorer or the DOS "copy" command. Format the HDD in Fat16 or Fat32, then before you do anything else copy io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com to the drive. It will then be bootable.

This goes into config.sys for SATA optical drives:
DEVICEHIGH=gcdrom.sys /D:mscd001
Or for ATAPI optical devices:
DEVICEHIGH=oakcdrom.sys /D:mscd002
Or for USB drives, either:
DEVICEHIGH=usbaspi.sys /w
DEVICEHIGH=aspiehci.sys /int /all
Depending on which DOS USB driver you wish to use. If you want a USB optical drive too:
DEVICEHIGH=usbcd.sys /D:mscd003

You will also need to reference these in autoexec.bat like so:
LH A:\MSCDEX.EXE /D:mscd001 /D:mscd002 /D:mscd003 /L:x
In which case whatever optical drive you have will show up as drive X. Change the A:\ to whatever drive it's actually on.

Note that AHCI mode must be turned off in the BIOS, and the above assumes you are using himem.sys to preserve conventional memory (otherwise it would be DEVICE=)

 

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

thanks BFG-9000😀
nice to hear back from you.

looks like you got the best answer award.
i have just upgraded your bronze to a silver medal.

i am not completely clear on this though:
1) so when you program /D:mscd001 into the autoexec.bat, then at the dos prompt, you ALSO HAVE TO manually type in mscdex001 = d:/ ????
2) is there any way to tell whether you have a SATA or ATAPI for your optical drive in a laptop? in a tower, all you have to do is to disassemble the computer and simply
look at the connection.
3) so this is what PLOP does, automatically program in the line into the config.sys: "DEVICEHIGH=usbcd.sys /D:mscd003"?
4) so copying these files: "io.sys, msdos.sys and command.com" onto the HD should give me access to the dos prompt if i had not been able to access the dos prompt before?
5) "AHCI mode", what is this?

SIDE NOTE
A) on previous outdated computers and sometimes with new computers, you are not able to access the dos prompt.
B) it is only until, for outdated computers, to place the startup disk contents onto the HD before you could have access to the dos prompt or cd drive.
C) on new computers, there is not even an option available for a computer user to be able to access the dos prompt OUTSIDE OF WINDOWS, like for example, from a fresh boot!!!
D) so your saying that all i have to do is to simply program in the line "DEVICEHIGH=usbcd.sys /D:mscd003", and i will now gain the functionality of my USB devices?
E) I am not familiar with the AHCI mode, in the BIOS? i don't remember seeing this there. the BIOS requires a password in my other computer, and, as i got it used,
i cannot even access my BIOS. iF i iNSTALL a nEW bIOS oN tHE cOMPUTER, i wILL bE aBLE tO uSE tHE bIOS aGAIN?

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[BFG-9000]

Putting anything into autoexec.bat is the same as typing it into commandline. It's just there as a convenience so you don't have to type it again each time at boot.

Yes, with laptop optical drives too, all you have to do is look as well:

Plop is a boot manager, that allows you to boot from USB on computers that don't support booting from USB. If you can pick booting from USB in your BIOS then you should use the standard DOS boot.

Those three files are the only thing copied when you use the "sys c:" command. After booting from a floppy you are supposed to use that to make a hard disk bootable directly to DOS. I simply gave you a way to do the same without a floppy drive, by instead using a different computer and either installing the drive internally or via USB adapter. You can copy over all of the installation files, or even a whole working Win9x installation from a different computer (it boots without drivers, because of the magic of MS-DOS 16-bit compatibility mode).

AHCI is a setting in the BIOS, common after ICH7 southbridge from 2005. It must be disabled into IDE mode to use DOS. Furthermore, any UEFI must be disabled into Legacy BIOS mode and obviously Secure Boot must be disabled.

With older laptops and any desktop, it's a simple matter to remove the coin cell CMOS battery to reset the BIOS to defaults, including the password. Newer laptops (for example Dell after 2004) do not allow you to erase the BIOS password like this or at all. They want you to call technical support and will only give you an override code if they are satisfied you are the owner.

 

[James T Kirk USS Enterprise]

BFG-9000, hello

i am going to pick yours as the best answer now, but the computer is not fixed yet.
my computer was down for 1 month trying to fix this and not being able to use it during this time, as it is a one project situation, then i gave up and reinstalled the OS to the current windows and this was a major pain and time consuming endeavor, so there are several things that i can do here:
1) pick yours as the best answer now, and hope that this will fix my computer
2) erase my current internet connection and talking to you and fix my computer with the above mentioned advice

i was planning on doing it later down the road. should i:
A) start another thread when i see if this solution works and ask again if problems or tell of its success
B) keep the thread open, not picking "best solution" so that the fix can be noted "in the" SAME THREAD


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