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A couple days ago, I received a notification of new updates for Win98 from
Windows Update. After I installed these, Windows boots up, but right after
starting, I get several blue screens and the machine locks up and is out of
memory. All I can do is either run in Safe Mode or DOS. Does anyone know
how I can back out the two updates that were applied?

Thanks,

T.
 
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Terry,
I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the problem.
The problem starts after applying either the update from MS Bulletin 891711
or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens at login
unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or lockups upon
launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was blue screening at
login has been rolled back by our backup software. The second user is not
one of mine and does not have a backup to roll back to. Both systems started
this behavior after doing the MS updates. I will post again if I can come up
with a solution for you.
John

"TerryG" wrote:

> A couple days ago, I received a notification of new updates for Win98 from
> Windows Update. After I installed these, Windows boots up, but right after
> starting, I get several blue screens and the machine locks up and is out of
> memory. All I can do is either run in Safe Mode or DOS. Does anyone know
> how I can back out the two updates that were applied?
>
> Thanks,
>
> T.
 
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"Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Terry,
> I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the problem.
> The problem starts after applying either the update from MS Bulletin 891711
> or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens at login
> unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or lockups
> upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was blue
> screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software. The
> second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll back to.
> Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I will
> post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> John

John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel, have them
uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see if that
helps.

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Thanks Rick,

That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard of this
problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem. I'm going to
do some testing today to find out which one is causing the problem.

Thanks again,
John

"Rick Chauvin" wrote:

> "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> > Terry,
> > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the problem.
> > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS Bulletin 891711
> > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens at login
> > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or lockups
> > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was blue
> > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software. The
> > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll back to.
> > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I will
> > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> > John
>
> John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel, have them
> uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see if that
> helps.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
 
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Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update that
has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Rick,
>
> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard of
this
> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem. I'm
going to
> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the problem.
>
> Thanks again,
> John
>
> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>
> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> > > Terry,
> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the
problem.
> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
Bulletin 891711
> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens
at login
> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or
lockups
> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was
blue
> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software.
The
> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll
back to.
> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I
will
> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> > > John
> >
> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel,
have them
> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see
if that
> > helps.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
 
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I was having the same problem and your suggestion to remove 891711 and 888113
in Safe Mode worked... thanks!

"Rick Chauvin" wrote:

> "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> > Terry,
> > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the problem.
> > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS Bulletin 891711
> > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens at login
> > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or lockups
> > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was blue
> > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software. The
> > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll back to.
> > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I will
> > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> > John
>
> John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel, have them
> uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see if that
> helps.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
 
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I find it is just KB891711.exe the bugaboo, not 888113.

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"Mike4" <Mike4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E7B4006A-F6F0-43E8-A1EC-788B5372DAC5@microsoft.com...
| I was having the same problem and your suggestion to remove 891711 and
888113
| in Safe Mode worked... thanks!
|
| "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
|
| > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
| > > Terry,
| > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the
problem.
| > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
Bulletin 891711
| > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens
at login
| > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or
lockups
| > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was
blue
| > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software.
The
| > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll
back to.
| > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I
will
| > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
| > > John
| >
| > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel,
have them
| > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see
if that
| > helps.
| >
| > Rick
| >
| >
| >
| >
 
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Gary,
From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll 5kb dated
02/18/05

Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer files or need
updated files for something or another.

Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own folder,
exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with that.


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http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
> MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update that
> has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
> Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks Rick,
>>
>> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard of
> this
>> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem. I'm
> going to
>> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the problem.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> John
>>
>> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>>
>> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
>> > > Terry,
>> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the
> problem.
>> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
> Bulletin 891711
>> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue screens
> at login
>> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens or
> lockups
>> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that was
> blue
>> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software.
> The
>> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to roll
> back to.
>> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates. I
> will
>> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
>> > > John
>> >
>> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel,
> have them
>> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see
> if that
>> > helps.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
 
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I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two folks
who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it just the
Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain other apps
running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot mentioned a
few times...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Gary,
> From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll 5kb
dated
> 02/18/05
>
> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer files or
need
> updated files for something or another.
>
> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
folder,
> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
that.
>
>
> --
>
> Brian A.
>
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update
that
> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
> >> Thanks Rick,
> >>
> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard of
> > this
> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem. I'm
> > going to
> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the problem.
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >> John
> >>
> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> >> > > Terry,
> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm
the
> > problem.
> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
> > Bulletin 891711
> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue
screens
> > at login
> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens
or
> > lockups
> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that
was
> > blue
> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software.
> > The
> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to
roll
> > back to.
> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates.
I
> > will
> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> >> > > John
> >> >
> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel,
> > have them
> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and
see
> > if that
> >> > helps.
> >> >
> >> > Rick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
>
 
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For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net, I wonder if
posting the running processes would help to at least find out if there is a
common app used among them that may be the cause. Unfortunately for those
that can't get to the desktop can't do this.

Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really help unless they
want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.

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http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two folks
> who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it just the
> Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain other apps
> running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot mentioned a
> few times...
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Gary,
>> From what I see the update creates a folder C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
>> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll 5kb
> dated
>> 02/18/05
>>
>> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer files or
> need
>> updated files for something or another.
>>
>> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
> folder,
>> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
> that.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian A.
>>
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd use
>> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one update
> that
>> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup in
>> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gary S. Terhune
>> > MS MVP Shell/User
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
>> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>> >
>> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
>> >> Thanks Rick,
>> >>
>> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard of
>> > this
>> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem. I'm
>> > going to
>> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the problem.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again,
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
>> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
>> >> > > Terry,
>> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm
> the
>> > problem.
>> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
>> > Bulletin 891711
>> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue
> screens
>> > at login
>> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue screens
> or
>> > lockups
>> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that
> was
>> > blue
>> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup software.
>> > The
>> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to
> roll
>> > back to.
>> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS updates.
> I
>> > will
>> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
>> >> > > John
>> >> >
>> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel,
>> > have them
>> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and
> see
>> > if that
>> >> > helps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rick
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>>
>
 
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"Mike4" <Mike4@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E7B4006A-F6F0-43E8-A1EC-788B5372DAC5@microsoft.com
> I was having the same problem and your suggestion to remove 891711 and
> 888113 in Safe Mode worked... thanks!

Yes yw but just remember that for the security issues addressed if you ever
were to come across them you won't be protected, but obviously as you were
yesterday you couldn't use your computer so you had no choice. Also to
mention again it's probably only the 891711 that's causing the boot problem,
even though 888113 is no angel either causing its own share of problems for
others where I noticed doing a search the other day there was quite a few
issues on Both and I realized then that was only the begining of these ..beta
fixes then.

> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
>
>> "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
>> > Terry,
>> > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm the
>> > problem. The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
>> > Bulletin 891711 or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting
>> > blue screens at login unless in safe mode, and another that is getting
>> > blue screens or lockups upon launching either IE or Netscape. The
>> > first system that was blue screening at login has been rolled back by
>> > our backup software. The second user is not one of mine and does not
>> > have a backup to roll back to. Both systems started this behavior after
>> > doing the MS updates. I will post again if I can come up with a
>> > solution for you.
>> > John
>>
>> John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control Panel, have
>> them uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and see
>> if that helps.
>>
>> Rick
 
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....sheesh, haven't even had even finished my morning breakfast yet to see
everyone everywhere complaining about 891711 ..and that to name just a
few, it conflicts with:

Firefox
Thunderbird
Maxthon (My IE) browser
Win Patrol
Ghost backup
Broadpage

...even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech support and
he says they said:

"Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that the
KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
Update service called it a critical update"
 
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I'm thinking those that can't boot probably access the NET at boot.
Maybe they have turned on Active Desktop or something.

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"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:uACv1OtJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net, I
wonder if
| posting the running processes would help to at least find out if there
is a
| common app used among them that may be the cause. Unfortunately for
those
| that can't get to the desktop can't do this.
|
| Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really help
unless they
| want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.
|
| --
|
| Brian A.
|
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
|
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| >I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two
folks
| > who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it just
the
| > Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain other
apps
| > running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot
mentioned a
| > few times...
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS MVP Shell/User
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| >
| > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| >> Gary,
| >> From what I see the update creates a folder
C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| >> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
5kb
| > dated
| >> 02/18/05
| >>
| >> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer files
or
| > need
| >> updated files for something or another.
| >>
| >> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
| > folder,
| >> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
| > that.
| >>
| >>
| >> --
| >>
| >> Brian A.
| >>
| >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
| >> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >>
| >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| >> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| >> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd
use
| >> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one
update
| > that
| >> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup
in
| >> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
| >> >
| >> > --
| >> > Gary S. Terhune
| >> > MS MVP Shell/User
| >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| >> >
| >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
| >> >> Thanks Rick,
| >> >>
| >> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard
of
| >> > this
| >> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem.
I'm
| >> > going to
| >> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the
problem.
| >> >>
| >> >> Thanks again,
| >> >> John
| >> >>
| >> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
| >> >>
| >> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message
| >> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
| >> >> > > Terry,
| >> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm
| > the
| >> > problem.
| >> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
| >> > Bulletin 891711
| >> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue
| > screens
| >> > at login
| >> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue
screens
| > or
| >> > lockups
| >> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that
| > was
| >> > blue
| >> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup
software.
| >> > The
| >> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to
| > roll
| >> > back to.
| >> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS
updates.
| > I
| >> > will
| >> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
| >> >> > > John
| >> >> >
| >> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control
Panel,
| >> > have them
| >> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and
| > see
| >> > if that
| >> >> > helps.
| >> >> >
| >> >> > Rick
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >
|
 
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I hope that's true, that Win98 really doesn't need it, because the
write-up makes that particular vulnerability sound horrific...
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx


--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
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"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:%23M8OBowJFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| ...sheesh, haven't even had even finished my morning breakfast yet to
see
| everyone everywhere complaining about 891711 ..and that to name just a
| few, it conflicts with:
|
| Firefox
| Thunderbird
| Maxthon (My IE) browser
| Win Patrol
| Ghost backup
| Broadpage
|
| ..even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech support
and
| he says they said:
|
| "Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that
the
| KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
| Update service called it a critical update"
|
|
|
|
|
|
 
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Not all, I'm always connected.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ecHf5VzJFHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I'm thinking those that can't boot probably access the NET at boot.
> Maybe they have turned on Active Desktop or something.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:uACv1OtJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net, I
> wonder if
> | posting the running processes would help to at least find out if there
> is a
> | common app used among them that may be the cause. Unfortunately for
> those
> | that can't get to the desktop can't do this.
> |
> | Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really help
> unless they
> | want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.
> |
> | --
> |
> | Brian A.
> |
> | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> | news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | >I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two
> folks
> | > who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it just
> the
> | > Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain other
> apps
> | > running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot
> mentioned a
> | > few times...
> | >
> | > --
> | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > MS MVP Shell/User
> | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> | >
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | >> Gary,
> | >> From what I see the update creates a folder
> C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | >> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and Q891711.dll
> 5kb
> | > dated
> | >> 02/18/05
> | >>
> | >> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer files
> or
> | > need
> | >> updated files for something or another.
> | >>
> | >> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's own
> | > folder,
> | >> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up with
> | > that.
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> --
> | >>
> | >> Brian A.
> | >>
> | >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | >> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> | >> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | >> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app. I'd
> use
> | >> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one
> update
> | > that
> | >> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a startup
> in
> | >> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
> | >> >
> | >> > --
> | >> > Gary S. Terhune
> | >> > MS MVP Shell/User
> | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> | >> >
> | >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> | >> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
> | >> >> Thanks Rick,
> | >> >>
> | >> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first heard
> of
> | >> > this
> | >> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the problem.
> I'm
> | >> > going to
> | >> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the
> problem.
> | >> >>
> | >> >> Thanks again,
> | >> >> John
> | >> >>
> | >> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
> | >> >>
> | >> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> | > message
> | >> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> | >> >> > > Terry,
> | >> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to confirm
> | > the
> | >> > problem.
> | >> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from MS
> | >> > Bulletin 891711
> | >> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting blue
> | > screens
> | >> > at login
> | >> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue
> screens
> | > or
> | >> > lockups
> | >> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system that
> | > was
> | >> > blue
> | >> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup
> software.
> | >> > The
> | >> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a backup to
> | > roll
> | >> > back to.
> | >> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS
> updates.
> | > I
> | >> > will
> | >> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> | >> >> > > John
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control
> Panel,
> | >> > have them
> | >> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be, and
> | > see
> | >> > if that
> | >> >> > helps.
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> > Rick
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> >
> | >> >> >
> | >> >
> | >>
> | >
> |
>
>
 
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Under the FAQ section @
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx

"Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium
Edition critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are
addressed in this security bulletin?
Yes. Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium
Edition are critically affected by this vulnerability. "


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:O3ufjZzJFHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I hope that's true, that Win98 really doesn't need it, because the
> write-up makes that particular vulnerability sound horrific...
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
>
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:%23M8OBowJFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> | ...sheesh, haven't even had even finished my morning breakfast yet to
> see
> | everyone everywhere complaining about 891711 ..and that to name just a
> | few, it conflicts with:
> |
> | Firefox
> | Thunderbird
> | Maxthon (My IE) browser
> | Win Patrol
> | Ghost backup
> | Broadpage
> |
> | ..even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech support
> and
> | he says they said:
> |
> | "Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that
> the
> | KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
> | Update service called it a critical update"
 
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You don't have dial-up, then? Do you have the problem with KB891711.exe?
Do you know whether it crashes only dial-up machines?


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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:%238k1qV2JFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| Not all, I'm always connected.
|
| --
|
| Brian A.
|
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ecHf5VzJFHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > I'm thinking those that can't boot probably access the NET at boot.
| > Maybe they have turned on Active Desktop or something.
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > news:uACv1OtJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net, I
| > wonder if
| > | posting the running processes would help to at least find out if
there
| > is a
| > | common app used among them that may be the cause. Unfortunately
for
| > those
| > | that can't get to the desktop can't do this.
| > |
| > | Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really help
| > unless they
| > | want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | Brian A.
| > |
| > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > | news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | >I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two
| > folks
| > | > who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it
just
| > the
| > | > Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain
other
| > apps
| > | > running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot
| > mentioned a
| > | > few times...
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > MS MVP Shell/User
| > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > | >
| > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | >> Gary,
| > | >> From what I see the update creates a folder
| > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| > | >> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and
Q891711.dll
| > 5kb
| > | > dated
| > | >> 02/18/05
| > | >>
| > | >> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer
files
| > or
| > | > need
| > | >> updated files for something or another.
| > | >>
| > | >> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
own
| > | > folder,
| > | >> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
with
| > | > that.
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >>
| > | >> Brian A.
| > | >>
| > | >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | >> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > | >> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > | >> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app.
I'd
| > use
| > | >> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one
| > update
| > | > that
| > | >> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a
startup
| > in
| > | >> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
| > | >> >
| > | >> > --
| > | >> > Gary S. Terhune
| > | >> > MS MVP Shell/User
| > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > | >> >
| > | >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
| > message
| > | >> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
| > | >> >> Thanks Rick,
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first
heard
| > of
| > | >> > this
| > | >> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the
problem.
| > I'm
| > | >> > going to
| > | >> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the
| > problem.
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> Thanks again,
| > | >> >> John
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
| > | >> >>
| > | >> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in
| > | > message
| > | >> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
| > | >> >> > > Terry,
| > | >> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to
confirm
| > | > the
| > | >> > problem.
| > | >> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from
MS
| > | >> > Bulletin 891711
| > | >> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting
blue
| > | > screens
| > | >> > at login
| > | >> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue
| > screens
| > | > or
| > | >> > lockups
| > | >> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system
that
| > | > was
| > | >> > blue
| > | >> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup
| > software.
| > | >> > The
| > | >> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a
backup to
| > | > roll
| > | >> > back to.
| > | >> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS
| > updates.
| > | > I
| > | >> > will
| > | >> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
| > | >> >> > > John
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control
| > Panel,
| > | >> > have them
| > | >> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be,
and
| > | > see
| > | >> > if that
| > | >> >> > helps.
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> > Rick
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >> >
| > | >> >
| > | >>
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
|
 
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Pure cable and no problem. Dial up may be the common denominator, don't
know and can't say. Many users are up in arms over the issue, yet getting
info is like pulling teeth.

--

Brian A.

Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm




"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:uJC$Ws4JFHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You don't have dial-up, then? Do you have the problem with KB891711.exe?
> Do you know whether it crashes only dial-up machines?
>
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:%238k1qV2JFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | Not all, I'm always connected.
> |
> | --
> |
> | Brian A.
> |
> | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:ecHf5VzJFHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > I'm thinking those that can't boot probably access the NET at boot.
> | > Maybe they have turned on Active Desktop or something.
> | >
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > news:uACv1OtJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net, I
> | > wonder if
> | > | posting the running processes would help to at least find out if
> there
> | > is a
> | > | common app used among them that may be the cause. Unfortunately
> for
> | > those
> | > | that can't get to the desktop can't do this.
> | > |
> | > | Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really help
> | > unless they
> | > | want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > |
> | > | Brian A.
> | > |
> | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> | > | news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | >I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or two
> | > folks
> | > | > who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is it
> just
> | > the
> | > | > Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain
> other
> | > apps
> | > | > running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot
> | > mentioned a
> | > | > few times...
> | > | >
> | > | > --
> | > | > Gary S. Terhune
> | > | > MS MVP Shell/User
> | > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> | > | >
> | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> | > | > news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | > | >> Gary,
> | > | >> From what I see the update creates a folder
> | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
> | > | >> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and
> Q891711.dll
> | > 5kb
> | > | > dated
> | > | >> 02/18/05
> | > | >>
> | > | >> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced newer
> files
> | > or
> | > | > need
> | > | >> updated files for something or another.
> | > | >>
> | > | >> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created it's
> own
> | > | > folder,
> | > | >> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's up
> with
> | > | > that.
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >> --
> | > | >>
> | > | >> Brian A.
> | > | >>
> | > | >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> | > | >> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
> | > | >> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > | >> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background app.
> I'd
> | > use
> | > | >> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the one
> | > update
> | > | > that
> | > | >> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a
> startup
> | > in
> | > | >> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error recurs.
> | > | >> >
> | > | >> > --
> | > | >> > Gary S. Terhune
> | > | >> > MS MVP Shell/User
> | > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> | > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> | > | >> >
> | > | >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> | > message
> | > | >> > news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
> | > | >> >> Thanks Rick,
> | > | >> >>
> | > | >> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I first
> heard
> | > of
> | > | >> > this
> | > | >> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the
> problem.
> | > I'm
> | > | >> > going to
> | > | >> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing the
> | > problem.
> | > | >> >>
> | > | >> >> Thanks again,
> | > | >> >> John
> | > | >> >>
> | > | >> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
> | > | >> >>
> | > | >> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in
> | > | > message
> | > | >> >> > news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
> | > | >> >> > > Terry,
> | > | >> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to
> confirm
> | > | > the
> | > | >> > problem.
> | > | >> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update from
> MS
> | > | >> > Bulletin 891711
> | > | >> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting
> blue
> | > | > screens
> | > | >> > at login
> | > | >> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting blue
> | > screens
> | > | > or
> | > | >> > lockups
> | > | >> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first system
> that
> | > | > was
> | > | >> > blue
> | > | >> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our backup
> | > software.
> | > | >> > The
> | > | >> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a
> backup to
> | > | > roll
> | > | >> > back to.
> | > | >> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the MS
> | > updates.
> | > | > I
> | > | >> > will
> | > | >> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
> | > | >> >> > > John
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the Control
> | > Panel,
> | > | >> > have them
> | > | >> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need be,
> and
> | > | > see
> | > | >> > if that
> | > | >> >> > helps.
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >> > Rick
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >> >
> | > | >> >
> | > | >>
> | > | >
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>
>
>
 
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I know, I know! But Chauvin says someone said MS said otherwise! Didn't
you read the bottom of his post?


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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:uhUoBm2JFHA.3156@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| Under the FAQ section @
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
|
| "Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium
| Edition critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are
| addressed in this security bulletin?
| Yes. Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium
| Edition are critically affected by this vulnerability. "
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:O3ufjZzJFHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| >I hope that's true, that Win98 really doesn't need it, because the
| > write-up makes that particular vulnerability sound horrific...
| > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
| >
| > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
| > news:%23M8OBowJFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > | ...sheesh, haven't even had even finished my morning breakfast yet
to
| > see
| > | everyone everywhere complaining about 891711 ..and that to name
just a
| > | few, it conflicts with:
| > |
| > | Firefox
| > | Thunderbird
| > | Maxthon (My IE) browser
| > | Win Patrol
| > | Ghost backup
| > | Broadpage
| > |
| > | ..even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech
support
| > and
| > | he says they said:
| > |
| > | "Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained
that
| > the
| > | KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
| > | Update service called it a critical update"
|
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Don't look at me: I have at least eight holes in my mouth! So, it could
be Tapisrv.exe (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) or Rnaapp.exe
(Dial-Up Networking Application) that it doesn't like. Those two always
launch after I've connected to the NET. And KB891711.exe does not crash
IE working out of TIFs before I've connected. I guess it could also be
something like Ptsnoop.exe (the legit one of PCtel, Inc.) that may want
to get busier after a connection is made. But that one is in the Startup
Group & is there even working out of TIFs offline.


--
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There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
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"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:%23qy3mU5JFHA.1392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| Pure cable and no problem. Dial up may be the common denominator,
don't
| know and can't say. Many users are up in arms over the issue, yet
getting
| info is like pulling teeth.
|
| --
|
| Brian A.
|
| Conflicts start where information lacks.
| http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:uJC$Ws4JFHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > You don't have dial-up, then? Do you have the problem with
KB891711.exe?
| > Do you know whether it crashes only dial-up machines?
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > news:%238k1qV2JFHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | Not all, I'm always connected.
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | Brian A.
| > |
| > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:ecHf5VzJFHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | > I'm thinking those that can't boot probably access the NET at
boot.
| > | > Maybe they have turned on Active Desktop or something.
| > | >
| > | > --
| > | > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | > should things get worse after this,
| > | > PCR
| > | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > news:uACv1OtJFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | > | For those that can boot normally but get BSOD'd using the net,
I
| > | > wonder if
| > | > | posting the running processes would help to at least find out
if
| > there
| > | > is a
| > | > | common app used among them that may be the cause.
Unfortunately
| > for
| > | > those
| > | > | that can't get to the desktop can't do this.
| > | > |
| > | > | Even the suggestion of booting to Safe Mode doesn't really
help
| > | > unless they
| > | > | want to remove the update, which doesn't run in Safe Mode.
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > |
| > | > | Brian A.
| > | > |
| > | > | Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | > | http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > | > | news:%23QGlqksJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >I dunno. It's odd, fer sure. But I'd still like to see one or
two
| > | > folks
| > | > | > who are having problems do a true MSCONFIG-based t-shoot. Is
it
| > just
| > | > the
| > | > | > Update or is it some synergistic effect from having certain
| > other
| > | > apps
| > | > | > running in the background at the same time? I've seen Spybot
| > | > mentioned a
| > | > | > few times...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | > MS MVP Shell/User
| > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | > | > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:u0Vw6dsJFHA.572@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> Gary,
| > | > | >> From what I see the update creates a folder
| > | > C:\Windows\SytemKB891711
| > | > | >> In that folder is KB891711.exe 9kb dated 02/22/05 and
| > Q891711.dll
| > | > 5kb
| > | > | > dated
| > | > | >> 02/18/05
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Both are dated last month. I wonder if they replaced
newer
| > files
| > | > or
| > | > | > need
| > | > | >> updated files for something or another.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Now this is a first I've seen where an update has created
it's
| > own
| > | > | > folder,
| > | > | >> exe and dll in System. Perhaps someone can explain what's
up
| > with
| > | > | > that.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> --
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Brian A.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
| > | > | >> http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
| > | > | >> news:usCBpQbJFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > | > | >> > Might also be a conflict with some *other* background
app.
| > I'd
| > | > use
| > | > | >> > MSCONFIG (in Safe Mode) to disable everything *but* the
one
| > | > update
| > | > | > that
| > | > | >> > has a background app attached, and see if that allows a
| > startup
| > | > in
| > | > | >> > Normal Mode. If so, add apps back in until the error
recurs.
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > --
| > | > | >> > Gary S. Terhune
| > | > | >> > MS MVP Shell/User
| > | > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| > | > | >> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in
| > | > message
| > | > | >> >
news:1C497B39-5722-4ED4-819E-CAD871BB894A@microsoft.com...
| > | > | >> >> Thanks Rick,
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> That was the advice I gave user #2 last night when I
first
| > heard
| > | > of
| > | > | >> > this
| > | > | >> >> problem. They did that this morning and it fixed the
| > problem.
| > | > I'm
| > | > | >> > going to
| > | > | >> >> do some testing today to find out which one is causing
the
| > | > problem.
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> Thanks again,
| > | > | >> >> John
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> "Rick Chauvin" wrote:
| > | > | >> >>
| > | > | >> >> > "Jluvs2dive" <Jluvs2dive@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote
| > in
| > | > | > message
| > | > | >> >> >
news:9B9E5539-7FC2-4FF3-AAE6-D5648414C711@microsoft.com
| > | > | >> >> > > Terry,
| > | > | >> >> > > I don't have an answer for you yet, but I do want to
| > confirm
| > | > | > the
| > | > | >> > problem.
| > | > | >> >> > > The problem starts after applying either the update
from
| > MS
| > | > | >> > Bulletin 891711
| > | > | >> >> > > or 888113 or both. I have one user that was getting
| > blue
| > | > | > screens
| > | > | >> > at login
| > | > | >> >> > > unless in safe mode, and another that is getting
blue
| > | > screens
| > | > | > or
| > | > | >> > lockups
| > | > | >> >> > > upon launching either IE or Netscape. The first
system
| > that
| > | > | > was
| > | > | >> > blue
| > | > | >> >> > > screening at login has been rolled back by our
backup
| > | > software.
| > | > | >> > The
| > | > | >> >> > > second user is not one of mine and does not have a
| > backup to
| > | > | > roll
| > | > | >> > back to.
| > | > | >> >> > > Both systems started this behavior after doing the
MS
| > | > updates.
| > | > | > I
| > | > | >> > will
| > | > | >> >> > > post again if I can come up with a solution for you.
| > | > | >> >> > > John
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >> > John, both updates are listed in Add/Remove in the
Control
| > | > Panel,
| > | > | >> > have them
| > | > | >> >> > uninstall one or the other or both in safemode if need
be,
| > and
| > | > | > see
| > | > | >> > if that
| > | > | >> >> > helps.
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >> > Rick
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >> >
| > | > | >> >
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
 
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I believe Rick, but don't know about the "tech support guy". Does
he know something that the security or windows update people don't?


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uyqZf34JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I know, I know! But Chauvin says someone said MS said otherwise! Didn't
> you read the bottom of his post?
>
>
> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
> news:uhUoBm2JFHA.3156@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | Under the FAQ section @
> | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
> |
> | "Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium
> | Edition critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are
> | addressed in this security bulletin?
> | Yes. Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium
> | Edition are critically affected by this vulnerability. "
> |
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:O3ufjZzJFHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | >I hope that's true, that Win98 really doesn't need it, because the
> | > write-up makes that particular vulnerability sound horrific...
> | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
> | >
> | > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> | > news:%23M8OBowJFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> | > | ..even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech support and
> | > | he says they said:
> | > |
> | > | "Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that the
> | > | KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
> | > | Update service called it a critical update"
> |
> |
>
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"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
news:OPEDH$9JFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl
> I believe Rick, but don't know about the "tech support guy". Does
> he know something that the security or windows update people don't?

Hi Bill,

I can only surmise that the MS Tech that this person talked to had quite a
few phone calls about it that he had to say something that day, and they said
what they did not knowing what else to say at that moment; but I'm just
guessing for him.

No doubt though the issue for W9x is very important or obviously you can bet
they would have never even bothered in the first place, but now they just
need to revise or much better yet find another way to work out the problem
instead of the way they did it.

I am thankful that they considered W9x though for all the people who still
use it, and it shows good faith, and so my salutes to MS for doing that.

When I see Glen Ventura has 2 out of 3 machines that are having the same
news:OgU7yy#JFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl
problems, not to mention the other ##'s of people having similar issues,
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6132-0.html?forumID=32&threadID=91523&messageID=1034555
then it's beyond obvious this 891711 has gots obvious issues.
I see other news forums All Over the place all saying the same things about
this security update too.

I bet the programmer that made it will be a bit embarrassed when they come to
work tomorrow - that is, if they even have a job :)

Rick
 

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It's not tapisrv.exe. I don't have that, and I had problems with
KB891711. Must be dialup. Beth

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:11:51 -0500, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>Don't look at me: I have at least eight holes in my mouth! So, it could
>be Tapisrv.exe (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) or Rnaapp.exe
>(Dial-Up Networking Application) that it doesn't like. Those two always
>launch after I've connected to the NET. And KB891711.exe does not crash
>IE working out of TIFs before I've connected. I guess it could also be
>something like Ptsnoop.exe (the legit one of PCtel, Inc.) that may want
>to get busier after a connection is made. But that one is in the Startup
>Group & is there even working out of TIFs offline.
 

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That's what I wondered, too, when I read that post in the CNET forum.
That's why I still haven't deleted it, only unchecked it. Beth

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:17:35 -0500, "Bill Blanton"
<bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote:

>I believe Rick, but don't know about the "tech support guy". Does
>he know something that the security or windows update people don't?
>
>
>"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uyqZf34JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>I know, I know! But Chauvin says someone said MS said otherwise! Didn't
>> you read the bottom of his post?
>>
>>
>> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
>> news:uhUoBm2JFHA.3156@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> | Under the FAQ section @
>> | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
>> |
>> | "Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium
>> | Edition critically affected by any of the vulnerabilities that are
>> | addressed in this security bulletin?
>> | Yes. Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium
>> | Edition are critically affected by this vulnerability. "
>> |
>> |
>> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> news:O3ufjZzJFHA.2468@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> | >I hope that's true, that Win98 really doesn't need it, because the
>> | > write-up makes that particular vulnerability sound horrific...
>> | > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/Security/bulletin/ms05-002.mspx
>> | >
>> | > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
>> | > news:%23M8OBowJFHA.2560@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>> | > | ..even read an article on cnet where someone called MS tech support and
>> | > | he says they said:
>> | > |
>> | > | "Got with a tech support guy fairly quickly (!) and he explained that the
>> | > | KB891711 patch was not required for WIN98, even though the Windows
>> | > | Update service called it a critical update"
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>
 
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Hmm. That is an MS file. Anyway, it is fruitless to guess which file
KB891711.exe doesn't like. I'm sure MS is diligently working on a fix by
now.


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"Elizabeth" <bethvollbach@earthlink.deletethis.net> wrote in message
news:ftn9319uqm8b11seus8ib4cfh5i9gi15l1@4ax.com...
| It's not tapisrv.exe. I don't have that, and I had problems with
| KB891711. Must be dialup. Beth
|
| On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:11:51 -0500, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
| >Don't look at me: I have at least eight holes in my mouth! So, it
could
| >be Tapisrv.exe (Microsoft® Windows(TM) Telephony Server) or
Rnaapp.exe
| >(Dial-Up Networking Application) that it doesn't like. Those two
always
| >launch after I've connected to the NET. And KB891711.exe does not
crash
| >IE working out of TIFs before I've connected. I guess it could also
be
| >something like Ptsnoop.exe (the legit one of PCtel, Inc.) that may
want
| >to get busier after a connection is made. But that one is in the
Startup
| >Group & is there even working out of TIFs offline.
|
 

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