Whether Microsoft likes it or not, XP will be around for a while yet. Only a very small percentage of people actually need anything more than an OS, a web browser, and maybe an office suite. I personally have computers running 7, Vista, and XP and when I'm just checking email or surfing there is no difference between any of them. Anything more intensive (gaming) is handled by my 7/Vista boxes. If XP meets your needs, you don't have to do anything demanding, and your computer is still running without issue, what's the justification of upgrading. I don't see those people as old, stupid, or lazy, they are just happy with what they have and don't need anything more.. For those that still think they should upgrade, I bet if you offered to buy them a new rig so they could take advantage of the latest technology, if they ever needed it, I'm sure your offer wouldn't be refused..
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Just curious-- I work for a company with 88000 employees and we're still on XP. What do you suppose it'll cost the company to upgrade every desktop computer to Windows 7. Granted not everyone has a computer, but many people have more than one. What would 50-75k licenses cost, plus probably replacing some of the older machines that don't have Win7 specs, plus upgrading/replacing current software that doesn't support Win7, etc? I suppose there would also be some tangible loss in productivity as people would lose their machines waiting for an upgrade...
It is probably a pretty sizable near-term cost with those costs ultimately being passed on to the consumers, no?
It is probably a pretty sizable near-term cost with those costs ultimately being passed on to the consumers, no?
XP is great and Win7 is great. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. If you have old hardware and XP works well there's no point to upgrade. If you're building a new system then go for Win 7 (64 bit please, so we start going away from 32 bit).
One thing I dislike about Win7 is the search "gui". Ask a normal person to search for all images in someones computer on Windows XP and 7, you will see that it's much easier to do this in XP. Windows 7 search filtering is like half way between GUI and command lines, quite pathetic if you ask me.
One thing I dislike about Win7 is the search "gui". Ask a normal person to search for all images in someones computer on Windows XP and 7, you will see that it's much easier to do this in XP. Windows 7 search filtering is like half way between GUI and command lines, quite pathetic if you ask me.
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[citation][nom]wcnighthawk[/nom]OMG, 2014? They need to cut support now. There is absolutely no reason to be using XP in this day and age. Why gimp yourself?[/citation]
Am I "gimping" myself because I am still using a dual core processor? I don't think so... my comp does what I need at a reasonable speed. My XP does what I need it to do. Buying a new version may have some benefits, but none of those benefits exceed the sticker price (for me). My processor and OS are both fully functional and paid for... until that changes, my comp will remain the same. The attempts to stigmatize older versions is very strange... oldversion.com exists because sometimes the older versions have specific (or overall) benefits; understanding one's needs and tailoring a computer to suit them is a higher level of mastery than is buying something new. My system may have a lower fps/ overall speed, but my wallet still has the several hundred dollars it took for you to win that race.
Am I "gimping" myself because I am still using a dual core processor? I don't think so... my comp does what I need at a reasonable speed. My XP does what I need it to do. Buying a new version may have some benefits, but none of those benefits exceed the sticker price (for me). My processor and OS are both fully functional and paid for... until that changes, my comp will remain the same. The attempts to stigmatize older versions is very strange... oldversion.com exists because sometimes the older versions have specific (or overall) benefits; understanding one's needs and tailoring a computer to suit them is a higher level of mastery than is buying something new. My system may have a lower fps/ overall speed, but my wallet still has the several hundred dollars it took for you to win that race.
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[citation][nom]schmich[/nom]One thing I dislike about Win7 is the search "gui". Ask a normal person to search for all images in someones computer on Windows XP and 7, you will see that it's much easier to do this in XP. Windows 7 search filtering is like half way between GUI and command lines, quite pathetic if you ask me.[/citation]
To be honest, every time I used XP search (after turning off that stupid animated dog), it was extremely slow and rarely returned any meaningful results. Win 7 generally returns what I'm after, and pretty quickly too, provided the location is indexed.
To be honest, every time I used XP search (after turning off that stupid animated dog), it was extremely slow and rarely returned any meaningful results. Win 7 generally returns what I'm after, and pretty quickly too, provided the location is indexed.
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[citation][nom]ginnai[/nom]Am I "gimping" myself because I am still using a dual core processor? I don't think so... my comp does what I need at a reasonable speed. My XP does what I need it to do. Buying a new version may have some benefits, but none of those benefits exceed the sticker price (for me). My processor and OS are both fully functional and paid for... until that changes, my comp will remain the same. The attempts to stigmatize older versions is very strange... oldversion.com exists because sometimes the older versions have specific (or overall) benefits; understanding one's needs and tailoring a computer to suit them is a higher level of mastery than is buying something new. My system may have a lower fps/ overall speed, but my wallet still has the several hundred dollars it took for you to win that race.[/citation]
Talking about the benefits of older versions, net meeting, and the "no way to do it in LAN without Internet in Windows 7", so much that people suggest go 7 Pro and get the XP virtual image to run inside 7.
But I especially like the way you put it in "my wallet still has the several hundred dollars it took for you to win that race."
Talking about the benefits of older versions, net meeting, and the "no way to do it in LAN without Internet in Windows 7", so much that people suggest go 7 Pro and get the XP virtual image to run inside 7.
But I especially like the way you put it in "my wallet still has the several hundred dollars it took for you to win that race."
[citation][nom]rosen380[/nom]Just curious-- I work for a company with 88000 employees and we're still on XP. What do you suppose it'll cost the company to upgrade every desktop computer to Windows 7. Granted not everyone has a computer, but many people have more than one. What would 50-75k licenses cost, plus probably replacing some of the older machines that don't have Win7 specs, plus upgrading/replacing current software that doesn't support Win7, etc? I suppose there would also be some tangible loss in productivity as people would lose their machines waiting for an upgrade...It is probably a pretty sizable near-term cost with those costs ultimately being passed on to the consumers, no?[/citation]Why do you need 50k to 75k desktop computers? What's preventing you from consolidating most of those machines to servers and thinclients?
Since I don't bother purchasing laptops anymore, I won't bother switching my current one over to Win7, as it makes the computer go slower (I did try dual-booting for awhile, and was dissatisfied). The only way I will have Win7 on a laptop is if I get one second hand for free. The only thing I'm missing out on in my opinion is the window snap feature.
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[citation][nom]c_herring[/nom]Why do you need 50k to 75k desktop computers? What's preventing you from consolidating most of those machines to servers and thinclients?[/citation]
And the winner of the most uneducated comment goes to....
YOU SIR! Step right up and claim your prize.
And the winner of the most uneducated comment goes to....
YOU SIR! Step right up and claim your prize.
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[citation][nom]loomis86[/nom]still using XP in classic mode on my work computer...also still using a 32" CRT monitor with QXGA resolution...beats 1080p without even trying.[/citation]
. 32" CRT? wow i am surprised your desk hasn't broken yet under the weight of that monitor
. 32" CRT? wow i am surprised your desk hasn't broken yet under the weight of that monitor
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[citation][nom]bigman8291[/nom]This is hilariously pointless.[/citation]
Lol... yep. Looks like someone at Microsoft needed to get some overtime...
Lol... yep. Looks like someone at Microsoft needed to get some overtime...
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Xp does everything win7 does according to some of you tards? Really? You running 8gb or RAM like I am on your system? Oh wait, xp is 32 bit so you can't. (Yes I know you can unlock PAE extensions, have fun with system stability) How about that shiny new SSD? My 120GB vertex one SSD loads windows (so we are excluding post here) in about 5 seconds. Is your xp faster than that? How is brute forcing your SSD working, since XP doe snot have native TRIM support... Or how about those 5xxx and 6xxx ATI cards. How is dx10/Dx11 treating you on xp? Oh that's right, it doesn't. And lets not even approach the topic of security....
Fact is the average specs of a computer with win7 nowdays is much faster than your average spec system of XP 1.5 years after XP released. I get that win7 is slow on your p4 1gb memory system, and for you folks who only do web browsing, well XP is fine. But for those of us with modern systems, its not even close.
(I have an i7 2600k, vertex 1 120gb ssd, x-fired 5850s, and 8gb ddr3 memory, xp is not designed to run my system, Win7 is.)
Fact is the average specs of a computer with win7 nowdays is much faster than your average spec system of XP 1.5 years after XP released. I get that win7 is slow on your p4 1gb memory system, and for you folks who only do web browsing, well XP is fine. But for those of us with modern systems, its not even close.
(I have an i7 2600k, vertex 1 120gb ssd, x-fired 5850s, and 8gb ddr3 memory, xp is not designed to run my system, Win7 is.)
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[citation][nom]Win7 Rocks[/nom]Xp does everything win7 does according to some of you tards? Really? You running 8gb or RAM like I am on your system? Oh wait, xp is 32 bit so you can't. [/citation]
For 99% of the XP users out there, THEY DON'T NEED 8GB of RAM, much less 4GB. Most 90% of office users, don't need more than 4GB of RAM for their Windows7 systems.
Your memory comparison is weak.
True about TRIM, but still - an SSD will still work on XP.
For 99% of the XP users out there, THEY DON'T NEED 8GB of RAM, much less 4GB. Most 90% of office users, don't need more than 4GB of RAM for their Windows7 systems.
Your memory comparison is weak.
True about TRIM, but still - an SSD will still work on XP.
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@win7rocks - Yes. Your point was won before you started, newer OSs are made for newer hardware. In discussions of OS trends however, the typical OC'er's choice is not really a concern. Corporate licenses are the bread and butter of MS, not gamers. MS is aiming to generate an incentive for these companies to migrate their boxes... which is why the timeline is so long. As old computers die/ leased computers come to term, MS wants companies to buy 7 computers. If XP wasn't such a popular OS, the timeline would not be until 2014... you may remember 98 was dropped like a hot potato. MS doesn't have that luxury with XP, its too deeply integrated/ common to simply abandon. In case this needs stating, it is also why this widget wasn't designed for XP... its designed for computer illiterate business execs/ higher ups to see and create timelines for conversions for their respective companies. The computer enthusiasts have a significantly more advanced view (hence the heated debate) than the intended audience of this project. XP has merits, 7 has merits... to discuss the technological differences is to severely miss the point.
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