Hello, I want to know if it's possible to use WDS bridge with Hidden SSID wifi? I have a neighbor and i know their SSID and password with negotiation, want to connect to my home without cable. Is that possible? they don't want their SSID to be known by anyone else, so SSID must be hidden.
[SOLVED] Wireless Distribution System with Hidden SSID ?
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The ssid is not hidden it is just not constantly being broadcast. There are many tool that can detect it just not the simple ones built into a router or maybe a cellphone.
All these broadcast are used for is so you can get a list of things to connect to. If you manually key in the SSID you can connect to a so called hidden ssid.
It all depends on if the repeater is designed to allow you to connect this way. Most these units are designed for the most stupid customers who want magic boxes that connect without them doing anything. This makes it more likely they only connect with ssid that are being broadcast.
If you really want to do this I would look at a router you can load dd-wrt on. This give you the most flexibility. I would not even use the WDS feature I would run the device as a router with the wifi connection being the wan. Since this is a linux based system you can likely make it connect to hidden ssid.
BUT doing this only hides the connection from the most simple tools.
Your best option if you do not want the signal detected is to use point to point bridges on both ends. The data stream is concentrated in a much more narrow beam so it makes it harder to even detect the radio energy itself.
All these broadcast are used for is so you can get a list of things to connect to. If you manually key in the SSID you can connect to a so called hidden ssid.
It all depends on if the repeater is designed to allow you to connect this way. Most these units are designed for the most stupid customers who want magic boxes that connect without them doing anything. This makes it more likely they only connect with ssid that are being broadcast.
If you really want to do this I would look at a router you can load dd-wrt on. This give you the most flexibility. I would not even use the WDS feature I would run the device as a router with the wifi connection being the wan. Since this is a linux based system you can likely make it connect to hidden ssid.
BUT doing this only hides the connection from the most simple tools.
Your best option if you do not want the signal detected is to use point to point bridges on both ends. The data stream is concentrated in a much more narrow beam so it makes it harder to even detect the radio energy itself.
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Hiding the SSID does absolutely nothing for security, and any fully standards compliant device will refuse to connect to such a network. Leave the SSID broadcasting as it's supposed to and set a properly secure key/password that you can change on a regular basis if desired.
If you don't want to have to buy any new equipment to set this up, just connect to the ssid as a client to connect to your own router's wan port. Your neighbor can make a really long and tough key that you can use and then even if the ssid is exposed it won't matter. You should be able to hide the ssid after you set it up as well and it should continue to work.
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I am not surprised WDS is kinda a hack and is not implemented the same. It is used to pass mulitple mac addresses over a encrypted wifi session.
Your only hope now is to run the connection in "router" mode. What you need to do is make the WAN connection run via a wifi connection. You will likely need to use DD-WRT or other third party firmware. The huge downside is you must dedicate one of the radios to this function. The routers you previously listed besides being extremely old only have a single radio so you would only have ethernet access. Note I know that I can connect to hidden SSID via a real linux system but I have not looked at dd-wrt in a long time. Of course you could always relink the dd-wrt code yourself and add the ability if it does not have it
Your only hope now is to run the connection in "router" mode. What you need to do is make the WAN connection run via a wifi connection. You will likely need to use DD-WRT or other third party firmware. The huge downside is you must dedicate one of the radios to this function. The routers you previously listed besides being extremely old only have a single radio so you would only have ethernet access. Note I know that I can connect to hidden SSID via a real linux system but I have not looked at dd-wrt in a long time. Of course you could always relink the dd-wrt code yourself and add the ability if it does not have it
Only success is with my Tenda D305+ modem i used its WDS with ap mode and i get connected to hidden wifi, but the problem is when i use it no internet connection i get it. Maybe anyone has idea? When i use WDS with wireless bridge mode can't connect, but WDS with AP Mode i get connected an wireless boosted in my house but no any internet via wifi nor lan. Any suggestions?
I do know very less about linux system, so don't want to try it. But thank you very much. Before i tried DD WRT on some TP link modems and was'nt able to reflash original firmware lol xDI am not surprised WDS is kinda a hack and is not implemented the same. It is used to pass mulitple mac addresses over a encrypted wifi session.
Your only hope now is to run the connection in "router" mode. What you need to do is make the WAN connection run via a wifi connection. You will likely need to use DD-WRT or other third party firmware. The huge downside is you must dedicate one of the radios to this function. The routers you previously listed besides being extremely old only have a single radio so you would only have ethernet access. Note I know that I can connect to hidden SSID via a real linux system but I have not looked at dd-wrt in a long time. Of course you could always relink the dd-wrt code yourself and add the ability if it does not have it
That is not unexpected you have to understand what bridge and AP mode really mean. Bridge mode in this case means it is acting as a end device ie client-bridge. There likely is some strange restriction with using it with a hidden SSID. AP mode means it is acting as a "server", ie end devices connect to it but it does not connect to other servers like a router. To run in AP mode you would use a ethernet cable to connect to the main router. Because you don't have this in effect you have a wifi radio that connects to nothing. It is not actually connecting to the remote wifi so you can't really call that success.
Your first step is to try to do this with the SSID not hidden so you can get that part configured right. Then turn off the SSID broadcast and see if it still works.
You are using 2 different feature in a way that are not officially supported by wifi standards.
The way WDS is being used is not part of the wifi standard. This means every company implemented it slightly differently. It has been around long enough that many things now work together but you still find problems.
Hiding the SSID is a direct violation of the WPA encryption standard. Very technically you should never be able to connect to a hidden SSID when using data encryption but many manufactures still allow it.
So if you can get it to connect with WDS with the SSID not hidden but it breaks when you hide it then this is just a software thing in the tenda router. Your only option would be to contact them and see if they have a "fix" even though what you are asking for is not standard. Tenda is known as a "value" router so there support even if this was a actual bug is very much lacking compared to some of the larger name brand devices.
You are using 2 different feature in a way that are not officially supported by wifi standards.
The way WDS is being used is not part of the wifi standard. This means every company implemented it slightly differently. It has been around long enough that many things now work together but you still find problems.
Hiding the SSID is a direct violation of the WPA encryption standard. Very technically you should never be able to connect to a hidden SSID when using data encryption but many manufactures still allow it.
So if you can get it to connect with WDS with the SSID not hidden but it breaks when you hide it then this is just a software thing in the tenda router. Your only option would be to contact them and see if they have a "fix" even though what you are asking for is not standard. Tenda is known as a "value" router so there support even if this was a actual bug is very much lacking compared to some of the larger name brand devices.
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