Wishing before Hell

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So, I'm almost ready for entering Hell for the first time and have a wand
of wishing 1:2. I'm wondering if I'm prepared enough or if I should burn a
few wish right now (and for what). If you professionnal ascender have any
clue...

I'm a level 24 monk with 281 HP and 215 power. On the armor side, I have
+4 fixed robe and speed boots and +5 fixed gauntlets of dexterity and
helm of brilliance. Plus the Eyes for magic resistance, an amulet of
reflection and the Orb of Fate for half damage (and a +0 shirt). Making it
for a naked AC of 0 or 1 and a global AC of -22.

On the weapon side, I have a +5 Mjollnir, no real backup weapon
(Ogresmasher and Giantsbane) and Grand Master in martial art (that is my
true backup weapon 🙂 )

For the wil, I haven't find anything causing me real trouble, even Master
Kaen paralysing me could not make me lost more than half my HPs and went
down quickly when I started hitting him with Mojo.

On the spells side, I know almost everything useful 🙂 including
cancelation (33% failure) and (all other 0% failure), among other, create
familiar, polymorph, fireball, clairvoyance, teleport, turn undead,
restore ability, extra healing, remove curse, cure sickness.

On the stats side, all my stats are at max except for INT (15, but not
really usefull for monks) and STR (18/97, let's say it's at max...)

On the inventory side, it becomes a little worse... Due to a mistake
involving a bag of holding and a wand of cancelation, I lost almost
everything. I have a few blank scrolls, a few useless potion (for alchemy)
and a handful of small wands (including several fire/ligthning for
Elbereth) plus a wand of wishing and a wand of death 1:5. I have
identified almost everything except a couple of rings (but I already know
coflict, polymorph, and the main ones). By the way, I'm wearing a ring of
slow digestion and one of polymorph control and have a spare ring of
adornment (+1) for incubus meetings.

I also have around 4 holy water and an uncursed scroll of genocide.

Speaking of genocide, I've already wiped out L, h, D, V and g. And took
care of ; at Medusa's with fireballs.

I have a pet Xorn with me.

So, the question is: can I try and go to Hell right now or should I burn
my wishes and get a little more prepared ?
The point is I don't really know what to wish for.
Magic marker(s) would be an option, allowing me to boost a bit my armor
(going to +4/5 shirt) and weapon. But I may find scrolls early on Hell.
Scrolls of genocide could also be an option to wipe ;, T or N but that
seems like an overkill to me (maybe T will be the nexts in line).
Spellbooks may also be an option, thinking among other at Fingers of death
or Magic mapping. The later being not so useful for me due to the astral
vision provided by the Eyes.
Artifact could be useful, especially things such as the Staff
(regeneration) of even the Eye (power regeneration). But there's already a
lot of them in my game (that should be 6) and I don't really want to loose
completly my wish.
Rings of either conflict or regenration are also an option.
And of course blessed figurines but as I can reliabili cast create
familiar (and polymorph them if I want), that doesn't seems so important
to me.

So, what is your opinion about that ?

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.

 

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You sound like your considerably more tooled than I am whenever I
descend into hell. As you have visited medusa I assume you have some
form of levititaion/water walking so I say go for it.

I would save the wishes. I personally use Magic Mapping to take the
tedium out of ghenom though it isn't essential and, as its your first
time and have the eyes, it shouldn't be such a problem.

A lot of people like a blessed figurine of Archon and these are very
powerful. If you haven't had one it's worth trying as it can be fun to
sit back and watch the destruction. (If your taking pets into Ghenom
you will defintiely need a magic whistle.)

If you have magic res you shouldn't need to wear a ring of poly
control. I usually go for =oSD and keep the other finger spare for
conflict/levtitation as required. I wouldn't waste a wish on a
=oconfilict but rather polypile for it. Odds are you should find one
soon enough anyway.

You going to meet some really nasty creatures down there, but nothing
you shouldn't be able to handle. Good luck

 

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Jym wrote:

> [...] I'm wearing a ring of slow digestion and one of polymorph
> control and have a spare ring of adornment (+1) for incubus meetings.

You have a *weapon* for incubus meetings. You don't need that ring.

And you also don't need to wear polymorph control. You have magic
resistance from the Eyes, so polymorph traps won't affect you anyway.

> So, the question is: can I try and go to Hell right now or should I
> burn my wishes and get a little more prepared ?

I think you're already very well prepared. I've entered Hell with a lot
less, and survived.

> The point is I don't really know what to wish for.

Do you have speed boots? I consider those almost necessary.

> on Hell. Scrolls of genocide could also be an option to wipe ;, T or
> N but that seems like an overkill to me (maybe T will be the nexts in
> line).

I don't see a reason to genocide those, in any game. They're annoying,
but mostly harmless. You do realise that the more creatures of mediocre
difficulty you genocide, the more dangerous the remaining choice of
monster generation become, do you? If you genocide all "relatively
difficult" monsters, on the Astral Plane, only "very difficult" monsters
will be left to generate. Too many genocides make your game more
*difficult*, not easier.

> Spellbooks may also be an option, thinking among other at
> Fingers of death or Magic mapping. The later being not so useful for
> me due to the astral vision provided by the Eyes.

Depending on how much you like spellcasting, finger of death may be a
good idea.

> Rings of either conflict or regenration are also an option.

I thought you had already found conflict? Or was that one destroyed in
your little accident as well?

I would go for a ring of free action, by the way. It may save your butt
lots of times.


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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Jym wrote:
>
> > [...] I'm wearing a ring of slow digestion and one of polymorph
> > control and have a spare ring of adornment (+1) for incubus meetings.
>
> You have a *weapon* for incubus meetings. You don't need that ring.

Well, if I may end the encounter 1 level higher than I begun it, Ithink it
could be useful (if, of course, the demon is not surrounded by lots of
other ennemies).

> And you also don't need to wear polymorph control. You have magic
> resistance from the Eyes, so polymorph traps won't affect you anyway.

Right, I forgot that.

> > So, the question is: can I try and go to Hell right now or should I
> > burn my wishes and get a little more prepared ?
>
> I think you're already very well prepared. I've entered Hell with a lot
> less, and survived.

OK. So, I'll try that tonight.

> > The point is I don't really know what to wish for.
>
> Do you have speed boots? I consider those almost necessary.

Yes. +4, fireproof.

> > on Hell. Scrolls of genocide could also be an option to wipe ;, T or
> > N but that seems like an overkill to me (maybe T will be the nexts in
> > line).
>
> I don't see a reason to genocide those, in any game. They're annoying,
> but mostly harmless. You do realise that the more creatures of mediocre
> difficulty you genocide, the more dangerous the remaining choice of
> monster generation become, do you? If you genocide all "relatively
> difficult" monsters, on the Astral Plane, only "very difficult" monsters
> will be left to generate. Too many genocides make your game more
> *difficult*, not easier.

Right. Maybe ;'s will still be a valuable option.

> > Spellbooks may also be an option, thinking among other at
> > Fingers of death or Magic mapping. The later being not so useful for
> > me due to the astral vision provided by the Eyes.
>
> Depending on how much you like spellcasting, finger of death may be a
> good idea.

Yes. I'm still more or less hoping to get it via praying.

> > Rings of either conflict or regenration are also an option.
>
> I thought you had already found conflict? Or was that one destroyed in
> your little accident as well?

Yes, I lost a ring of conflict (obtained via polypiling).

> I would go for a ring of free action, by the way. It may save your butt
> lots of times.

Right. I forgot yo mention I already own one...

OK, so I'll switch that ring of polymorph control for a ring of free
actio and go to hell. I'll probably spend one wish on an Archon, it's just
too fun to have.

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Lichen Fodder wrote:

> You sound like your considerably more tooled than I am whenever I
> descend into hell. As you have visited medusa I assume you have some
> form of levititaion/water walking so I say go for it.

levitation boots. -1 currently, but should be upgraded if I found some
spare scrolls of enchant armor.

> A lot of people like a blessed figurine of Archon and these are very
> powerful. If you haven't had one it's worth trying as it can be fun to
> sit back and watch the destruction. (If your taking pets into Ghenom
> you will defintiely need a magic whistle.)

Found one magic whistle early in the mine. I think Archon will be fun
(plus it comes with either sunsword of demonbane, both being valuable in
Gehenom).

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.

 

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Jym wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

>> Too many genocides make your game more *difficult*, not easier.

> Right. Maybe ;'s will still be a valuable option.

If you do, wait until *after* you've entered the plane of water. That
way, that level will become almost empty.

Also, until you reach the plane of water, you'll hardly see any ;'s,
anyway. I assume you've cleared Medusa and the Castle moat of them, so
you'll only see them at Juiblex' level and around the little wizard
towers. Just carry a few rocks and kill them from a distance.

You know that once they have been cleared from a level, the game won't
randomly generate sea monsters anymore on that level, do you?

>> Depending on how much you like spellcasting, finger of death may be a
>> good idea.

> Yes. I'm still more or less hoping to get it via praying.

Once you're in Gehennom, forget about praying...

>> I would go for a ring of free action, by the way. It may save your
>> butt lots of times.

> Right. I forgot yo mention I already own one...

Then put it on. Use your right hand for this, since if your weapon
should get cursed, that won't matter. You don't ever want to take it off
anymore anyway.

> OK, so I'll switch that ring of polymorph control for a ring of free
> actio and go to hell.

Yeah. Go to hell, you!

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Boudewijn Waijers (kroisos at home.nl).

The garden of happiness is surrounded by a wall so low only children
can look over it. - "the Orphanage of Hits", former Dutch radio show.

 

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On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Boudewijn Waijers wrote:

> Jym wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Boudewijn Waijers wrote:
>
> >> Too many genocides make your game more *difficult*, not easier.
>
> > Right. Maybe ;'s will still be a valuable option.
>
> If you do, wait until *after* you've entered the plane of water. That
> way, that level will become almost empty.

OK.

> Also, until you reach the plane of water, you'll hardly see any ;'s,
> anyway. I assume you've cleared Medusa and the Castle moat of them, so
> you'll only see them at Juiblex' level and around the little wizard
> towers. Just carry a few rocks and kill them from a distance.

Yes. Or spells.

> You know that once they have been cleared from a level, the game won't
> randomly generate sea monsters anymore on that level, do you?

No, I don't really know how monster generation works.

> >> Depending on how much you like spellcasting, finger of death may be a
> >> good idea.
>
> > Yes. I'm still more or less hoping to get it via praying.
>
> Once you're in Gehennom, forget about praying...

Yes. I've prayed a bit more before going down, plus a bit of polypiling. I
got a new ring of conflict 🙂 plus a ring of regeneration 🙂) Plus
spellbooks of digging and charm monster...

> >> I would go for a ring of free action, by the way. It may save your
> >> butt lots of times.
>
> > Right. I forgot yo mention I already own one...
>
> Then put it on. Use your right hand for this, since if your weapon
> should get cursed, that won't matter. You don't ever want to take it off
> anymore anyway.

Nice trick.

> > OK, so I'll switch that ring of polymorph control for a ring of free
> > actio and go to hell.
>
> Yeah. Go to hell, you!

I'm in.
Asmodeus's on 2nd level. I've met him but not kill. I think he had
teleported away. Strangly, I seem to have loose intrisic telepathy (for
the second time, I've already re-eaten a floating eye). How can it happen?

Juiblex shows up in Asmodeus's (summoned by a Vrock I think). He was quite
wimpy.

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.

 

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Jym <moyen@loria.fr> wrote in news😛ine.LNX.4.51.0502281553000.19585
@hagen.loria.fr:

> levitation boots. -1 currently, but should be upgraded if I found some
> spare scrolls of enchant armor.

> Found one magic whistle early in the mine. I think Archon will be fun
> (plus it comes with either sunsword of demonbane, both being valuable in
> Gehenom).

Well then, it couldn't hurt to wish for a magic marker.


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