[SOLVED] Worthwhile upgrade?

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Hello, now i have
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I5 3570K@stock
GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
Asrock Z77 Extreme6
TeamElite DDR3 1333Mhz 8gb
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And i want to upgrade to
Ryzen 1600 AF
Asrock B450 PRo4 - AMD B450
Fury Black 2x 8Gb 3200Mhz
Same GPU.
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Computer is for Gaming, Streaming, Rendering, Multimedium, Multitasking.
Is worth this 227€ upgrade?
 
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The Tomhawk Max and AB450 Pro4 have the same power they both can't OC a 3900X or above. But you can easily OC any 8 core CPU with them. I had an AB350 Pro4 with 8 core 1800X at 3.95Ghz no issue. Upgraded to a 16 Phase 60A Chokes motherboard thinking I would overclock higher and I still can't OC higher. The CPU is the limit. The only reason the Tomhawk is so popular is that it supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box along with X570.

As you can see X570 boards are much better which makes sense because they are designed for Ryzen 3000. The Asus Tuf X570 is one of the best value but it doesn't support Ryzen 1 (Some X570 boards support Ryzen 1) which is why I went with the ASRock X370 Fata1ity Professional...
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MSI is good, but if he goes with a ryzen 5 series the ASRock should be ok. I've got the ab350 pro 4 in my build and went to a 3600. Running fine after bios updates of course. In fact I was running a 1700x on it before. Got that used for 100 at the time. Just sold it for 95 to. So basically paid 5 bucks plus shipping to use it for a year lol.

But anyway, the op should be fine with the 5 series. The 7 series perhaps. But much more you are pushing the limits even though my board says I can use a 3950x if I want. Been a decent board for me. Something in the way of the msi tomahawk or gigabyte aorus is definitely nicer, but if short on money, I wouldn't be too afraid of that board.
 
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CzarCzech said:
R5 2600 and R5 1600 AF have propably same performance in games
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Unlike the uneducated poster before me, there is no difference between the 2600 and 1600 AF with the exception of an Itty bitty slight increase in boost clock on the 2600 (100 mhz). But, when overclocked, they both hit 4.1 to 4.2 Ghz. It comes with a cooler also, it's the best processor on the market atm, for under $100.00
 
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Unlike the uneducated poster before me, there is no difference between the 2600 and 1600 AF with the exception of an Itty bitty slight increase in boost clock on the 2600 (100 mhz). But, when overclocked, they both hit 4.1 to 4.2 Ghz. It comes with a cooler also, it's the best processor on the market atm, for under $100.00
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So the verdict is push I5 to 4ghz + and i should be fine? I have problems only in Assasins and Watch Dogs tituls with FPS
 
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ohio_buckeye said:
MSI is good, but if he goes with a ryzen 5 series the ASRock should be ok. I've got the ab350 pro 4 in my build and went to a 3600. Running fine after bios updates of course. In fact I was running a 1700x on it before. Got that used for 100 at the time. Just sold it for 95 to. So basically paid 5 bucks plus shipping to use it for a year lol.

But anyway, the op should be fine with the 5 series. The 7 series perhaps. But much more you are pushing the limits even though my board says I can use a 3950x if I want. Been a decent board for me. Something in the way of the msi tomahawk or gigabyte aorus is definitely nicer, but if short on money, I wouldn't be too afraid of that board.
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Op was already looking to purchase a new motherboard, better to spend a few extra bucks on a board with better VRM's that can run all the next gen chips without issue IMHO.
 
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Ok. If he was already looking that way. Like I said those other boards are nicer boards, but if your on a budget like I was when I first put my system together, it definitely works. My little b350 board is still plugging along. Wouldn't mind replacing it, but don't know that I'd gain fps or anything. So I may just let mine ride now. But yes, if you've got a little extra money to spend, then the other boards are worth it.
 
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For editing and pro stuff, the 6c/12t of a ryzen 5 will do so much better for you. If you can get the CPU, Mobo, and Ram all for under 300, I say go for it. For mobo reliability and value, check out youtube channel Actually Hardcore Overclocking; that dude Buildzoid really knows his electronics.
 
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The Tomhawk Max and AB450 Pro4 have the same power they both can't OC a 3900X or above. But you can easily OC any 8 core CPU with them. I had an AB350 Pro4 with 8 core 1800X at 3.95Ghz no issue. Upgraded to a 16 Phase 60A Chokes motherboard thinking I would overclock higher and I still can't OC higher. The CPU is the limit. The only reason the Tomhawk is so popular is that it supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box along with X570.

As you can see X570 boards are much better which makes sense because they are designed for Ryzen 3000. The Asus Tuf X570 is one of the best value but it doesn't support Ryzen 1 (Some X570 boards support Ryzen 1) which is why I went with the ASRock X370 Fata1ity Professional.

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CzarCzech said:
Hello, now i have
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I5 3570K@stock
GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
Asrock Z77 Extreme6
TeamElite DDR3 1333Mhz 8gb
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And i want to upgrade to
Ryzen 1600 AF
Asrock B450 PRo4 - AMD B450
Fury Black 2x 8Gb 3200Mhz
Same GPU.
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Computer is for Gaming, Streaming, Rendering, Multimedium, Multitasking.
Is worth this 227€ upgrade?
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That's a perfect upgrade but make sure your RAM is in the memory compatibility list of your motherboard.
 
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If you mainly just game you could just get some more memory and perhaps find a decent cooler for very cheap on eBay and overclock it and you would get a decent bump in performance, I do think an upgrade would be great too but it depends where your at Right now
 
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SamirD said:
There's a pretty big jump in cores from the 3570k so if more cores will give you more of what you need, then the 1600 would be a good move:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-vs-Intel-i5-3570K/2984vs828

However, at the same time, the 1600 seems to be slower in the single thread so for a game the 3570k pushed to overclock would be better.
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Seriously, your using the wrong AMD cpu for your comparison. The AMD 1600 Af is not the same as a Ryzen 1600. It is actually a AMD ryzen 2600.

You should be using the 2600 in your chart.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...-i5-3570K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/2984vs828vs3243

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3547-amd-r5-1600-af-cpu-review-best-cpu-under-100
 
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Zizo007 said:
The Tomhawk Max and AB450 Pro4 have the same power they both can't OC a 3900X or above. But you can easily OC any 8 core CPU with them. I had an AB350 Pro4 with 8 core 1800X at 3.95Ghz no issue. Upgraded to a 16 Phase 60A Chokes motherboard thinking I would overclock higher and I still can't OC higher. The CPU is the limit. The only reason the Tomhawk is so popular is that it supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box along with X570.

As you can see X570 boards are much better which makes sense because they are designed for Ryzen 3000. The Asus Tuf X570 is one of the best value but it doesn't support Ryzen 1 (Some X570 boards support Ryzen 1) which is why I went with the ASRock X370 Fata1ity Professional.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqQcgwz1hYA

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWAwOH-egFs
 
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Zizo007 said:
The Tomhawk Max and AB450 Pro4 have the same power they both can't OC a 3900X or above. But you can easily OC any 8 core CPU with them. I had an AB350 Pro4 with 8 core 1800X at 3.95Ghz no issue. Upgraded to a 16 Phase 60A Chokes motherboard thinking I would overclock higher and I still can't OC higher. The CPU is the limit. The only reason the Tomhawk is so popular is that it supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box along with X570.

As you can see X570 boards are much better which makes sense because they are designed for Ryzen 3000. The Asus Tuf X570 is one of the best value but it doesn't support Ryzen 1 (Some X570 boards support Ryzen 1) which is why I went with the ASRock X370 Fata1ity Professional.

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????????

Where do some of you get your information, or do you just make it up?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J69aiJJEHzQ
 
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Ncogneto said:
????????

Where do some of you get your information, or do you just make it up?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J69aiJJEHzQ
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Its from a Reddit lab/users who tested all the boards plus my experience I described and MSI doesn't give any info on VRM for the Tomhawk which I am sure they would if it was that good. Your videos doesn't show any Tomhawk with an overclocked 3900X or 3950X. Anyways those boards, Tomhawk (4 phases) and AB450 Pro4 (3 phases), are NOT high end motherboards with 16 power phases like my new motherboard and the Taichi.
My VRM max at 38C with an 8 core 1800X @4Ghz@1.35V during Cinebench, my motherboard is the same as the Taichi which is way better than any Tomhawk. 38C VRM OCed full load is impressive and no Tomhawk comes close to that.

Your video is not comparing the Tomhawk to high-end motherboards like the Taichi.
From your video, the Tomhawk is 87C with a 3950X stock so imagine when you overclock the 3950X, VRM temps will go 105+C and the Tomhawk/CPU will throttle.

I am not saying the Tomhawk is bad but its not the best either. in fact I always recommend it for CPUs <3900X. Its the best for its price but if you have the budget and need to OC a 3900X or 3950X, I would look into the high-end more expensive X570 boards. The Asus Tuf X570 is slightly more expensive than the Tomhawk but gets you better OC, PCIE 4.0, better RAM compatibility and guaranteed Ryzen 4000 support which is worth it. There is a reason why professional overclockers don't use the Tomhawk and instead they use mostly Taichi boards.
 
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The Asus Tuf X570 is twice the price as the OP's original board......it's not just a few more dollars....

C'mon man, get in the same ballpark at least to be relevant.

Asrock has terrible bios btw, the MSI unify is a much better board for OC'ers.
 
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