Would you kindly critique my sub-$1500 gaming rig.

mbcollins93

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Hi,

I have been lurking around this site for the past 6 months, and I have decided to finally pull the trigger on a build. I am looking for a gaming computer that will run current games and future games on moderate-high settings. I am mostly interested in Arma II (DayZ mod, RPGs/MMO (Diablo, Torchlight, SW: Old Republic, Elders Scrolls, Fallout, Mass Effect) and Strategy Games (Total War, Age of Empires, Command and Conquer), but I want to be confident in my machine to play just about anything. I am going to be making the purchase within the month (2 weeks). I am not buying a monitor, and my current monitor is 1920x1080 (it is actually a small samsung 20" LCD 1080p tv). In my parts list, I added a conventional CPU cooler, but I am interested in water cooling if y'all could give me some advice. I have never built a computer before, but I hope my handyman gene and the internet will get me by. Saying that, I do not know very much about SLI or overclocking (just the basics), but I would like to have the option in the future after I have learned a little more about it. Which, lastly brings me to modularity. I would like my computer to be upgradable and modular. So, if I decide I want to go with a different graphics card or SLI two GTXs, I would like to have the option. Again, my goal is to build the best bang for the buck sub-$1500 gaming rig.

Thanks in advance,
Matthew

PARTS LIST:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HsiW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HsiW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HsiW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1229.36
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-04 23:38 EST-0500)
 
It's an overall nice build, just a few tweaks. 8gb of ram is fine, the samsung 830 series is better than the 840. If you really want the option to SLI, you need atleast a 750w.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.97 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Samsung 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE 90 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($132.72 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1307.09
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-04 23:54 EST-0500)
 
+1 i get this ram though it matches your build lol http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231550
 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 PWM 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($47.99 @ Mac Mall)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($370.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1319.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-05 00:12 EST-0500)
 

mbcollins93

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Thanks to everyone for their help!I was surprised on how well I did picking out the parts. I noticed that stickmansam recommended Radeon video cards. At the price point that I am in, would it be better to get the very best Radeon and eventually crossfire? What are the pros and cons of Radeon vs Geforce. I was under the impression that Nvidia stuff was better. The Radeons are definitely cheaper. When I bought my gaming pc back in the early 2000s, everyone recommended Geforce because the Radeon had spastic driver problems. Is that still prevalent today?

This is the revised parts list:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($73.49 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($369.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE 90 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($132.72 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1344.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-05 07:47 EST-0500)
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.78 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($49.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 1.5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($392.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1344.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-03-05 16:12 EST-0500)

would go with this, the Gaia has pretty much the same performance as the evo and $10 cheaper.

z77x-d3h is almost the same as ud3h(less power phases but thats about it.

the g.skill snipers are pretty cheap for the price right now
 

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I noticed you chose a top end Radeon over 670 as well. What is everyones opinion on Radeon (7980 or 7970) vs Geforce (670). I was under the impression that Geforce was better. Also I noticed you bumped the power supply up to 850w. If I want to sli or crossfire do I need 850 or can I stay at 750?
 

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Thanks for the reply! That really puts things into perspective.
 

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7970 OCs like a beast, 670 is limited in OC but it can achieve decent.

The 670 has better drivers but AMD is really working on their drivers and have been getting some good feedback with the new ones.

AMD is said to work on the 7000 series drivers instead of working on the new 8000 series but we have no proof so far so if you would want to test your luck on it...

7970 costs about $20+ more than the 670 but outputs a lot better performance(max) than the 670/680. Of course the 670/680 has a more stable card(if you look at some test benches, the 7970 frequency goes up and down a lot higher than Nvidia cards) of course this is due to drivers so it can be fixed/optimized

Also that 670 is more power efficient so you can SLI these guys with a fairly small PSU(650) and give it a little overclocking boost.

While the 7970 uses more power(can use up to 800W so it is recommended that you grab an 850W) it overclocks a lot more because it is an unlocked card unlike the 670.
 
Not all 7970 are unlocked only two or three are the rest are locked now i do not know why :( your correct about the AMD has been having problems with frame latency, meaning that higher frame rates don't translate into smoother gameplay. They have tried to address the issue in recent driver updates but it's still not fixed. It's worth it to check out these articles:
http://techreport.com/review/24218/a-driver-update-to-reduce-radeon-frame-times/5
http://techreport.com/news/24136/driver-software-to-be-tweaked-to-reduce-radeon-frame-latencies-in-series-of-updates
http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

 

mbcollins93

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Reposted from a new thread:

Hi,

About two weeks ago, the Tom's Hardware community was kind enough to help me get started on my first build. I finally got the parts in, and I built my first Gaming rig today......The only catch is, I can't get into my bios. Everything seems to be fine. All of the fans are working great. I can hear my hard drive working, and my optical drive is even opening. It just will not boot. Please help a beginner.

Thanks,
Matthew

Here are my specs
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HF3z/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: NZXT HALE 90 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Home Premium 64bit