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Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?
For the past couple of days there have been only 3 or 4 public (D2LOD
USWHCL) games where last week there was a dozen or more.
Pretty soon it is going to be hard to _give_ stuff away if this keeps up.
I put WoW on my xmas list, so perhaps in January I will be checking that out
with the rest of you all.
btw, is there a dedicated WoW ng yet?
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"ArtDent" <par@noyd.invalidname> wrote:

>Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?
>For the past couple of days there have been only 3 or 4 public (D2LOD
>USWHCL) games where last week there was a dozen or more.
>Pretty soon it is going to be hard to _give_ stuff away if this keeps up.
>I put WoW on my xmas list, so perhaps in January I will be checking that out
>with the rest of you all.
>btw, is there a dedicated WoW ng yet?

I think I'm going to switch. I've been playing for a few days and it's
very addicting.
 
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, "ArtDent" wrote:

>> Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?

NO!


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> Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?
Nope I'm not going to get WoW, I was a beta tester and I wasn't impressed
with it.
Sure, there's interesting quests, but hackers I think will find a way to
exploit the quest system, like in everquest.
There's always going to be a smelly sewer side to a mmorpg.
Diablo has its pks, and hacks, lineage 2 has its farmers, etc. I wonder what
it will be in WoW.

The number 1 biggest mistake in going from 2d to 3d is character moving
unaturally or sluggish. I get annoyed on the way that the characters move in
WoW: The only way I think is to use motion capture, soul calibur videogame
series does this very good.

Also, I _really_ do not want to pay per month for a game that I might or
might not play.

> Don't Panic!
It's good to see that we have a hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy fan here
:)
 
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ArtDent wrote:

> Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?

Maybe. The game's not available in Europe yet (early 2005). Depending on
what I hear and read about it until then, I might give it a try. Perhaps
I'll also get a chance to beta test (in December for the European
version). I'm not too hot about the game, just mildly interested.

M.
 
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Michael Vondung wrote:
> ArtDent wrote:
>
>> Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?
>
> Maybe. The game's not available in Europe yet (early 2005). Depending
> on what I hear and read about it until then, I might give it a try.
> Perhaps I'll also get a chance to beta test (in December for the
> European version). I'm not too hot about the game, just mildly
> interested.
> M.

<hangs head in shame and mumbles>

I . . . uh <kicks at floor> . . . boughtWoWandinstalleditlastnightand
playedit foracoupleofhours.

There, it's out . . .

That's not nearly enough time to make any judgment, but my initial
impression of it compared to EQ2 (and the two *are* going to be compared, at
least initially) is that it's much easier to "get into", but has less
content and less "quality" content, if that makes any sense.

With more playing time I may find that's not the case, however, and even if
it is means nothing as to which game's more "fun".

Sadly enough for me, I suspect that I'm going to like *both*, for quite
different reasons. If that's the case I suppose I could juggle accounts
month by month, because I'm certainly not going to pay for both at once.

Gack. I really hate having no willpower whatever.
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early 2005 = 14 jan
according to my game shop here 😛


"Michael Vondung" <mvondung@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:31519dF3761g5U1@individual.net...
> ArtDent wrote:
>
> > Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?
>
> Maybe. The game's not available in Europe yet (early 2005). Depending on
> what I hear and read about it until then, I might give it a try. Perhaps
> I'll also get a chance to beta test (in December for the European
> version). I'm not too hot about the game, just mildly interested.
>
> M.
 
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chainbreaker wrote:
> but WoW runs butterly smooth, no loading lag I've yet discovered, and with
> no damnable zone loading yet discovered, either.
>

Where do I sign?

Do you really mean, no zone loading? no loading lag? butterly smooth?


*gackkkk*


How long is it between the initial explorer double-click and the first
in-game move?
 
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Babe Bridou wrote:
> chainbreaker wrote:
>> but WoW runs butterly smooth, no loading lag I've yet discovered,
>> and with no damnable zone loading yet discovered, either.
>>
>
> Where do I sign?
>
> Do you really mean, no zone loading? no loading lag? butterly smooth?
>

As per my experience last night during the time I played, yes.

Put it like this--in EQ2 for a similar amount of playing time in the
starting situation I would have gone through . . . let's see now . . .
opening ship, opening island, into lab, *out* of lab, into lab again, *out
of lab again . . . what's that? . . . 6 zone loadings at least, and if you
don't have at least a gig of memory, you're in for some MAJOR load
times--hell, EQ2 is practically unplayable without a gig, dunno about WoW,
cause I'm not taking those two rambus sticks back out just to see. 🙂

But I'm sure there'll be some zone loading/lag somewhere down the pipeline.

>
> *gackkkk*
>
>
> How long is it between the initial explorer double-click and the first
> in-game move?

Getting the initial patch is reaaalllllyyyyy loooonnggg and slow, at least
it was for me--and it was only about 20mb worth, so they must have been
feeding it through microfilament or something.

But getting into the game once everything was set up was pretty quick--no
more than a minute or so.


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"Kenta Banh" <kenta.banh@telia.com> wrote:

>> Is _everyone_ switching over to WoW already?

No way, 'cause I won't pay a dime for a game that wants me to pay over
and over again. I can't arrange with the feeling to feed someone
else's cash machine, sorry.


[snip]
>Sure, there's interesting quests, but hackers I think will find a way to
>exploit the quest system, like in everquest.
>There's always going to be a smelly sewer side to a mmorpg.
>Diablo has its pks, and hacks, lineage 2 has its farmers, etc. I wonder
>what it will be in WoW.

I have no clue but I'm sure that there definitely will be some
exploits in the very near future. Companies like Blizzard have lost
very much of their former quality concerning these "big" games, and
most of the time this loss comes hand in hand with lacks of security.
I think it's the nature of closed software (in comparison to open
source stuff), sooner or later there are cracks on the "market" and
script kiddies are very inventive when it's about cheating. :-(


[snip]
>Also, I _really_ do not want to pay per month for a game that I might or
>might not play.

That's the main reason for me besides of the grabby amount of 14 bugs.
I don't want to pay in advance for s.th. I might not use. Who can
forsee what will happen during a two or three month's period? Me, I
can't, so I'd think again about purchasing if Blizzard revises its
accounting policy, e.g. switching to pay per play.
(Not to mention that credit cards aren't that popular in Germany, and
I doubt to find a nearby local retailer who sells these suspicious
gaming cards...)


>> Don't Panic!
>It's good to see that we have a hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy fan here
>:)

One? 😀

Currently playing a lvl82 ama, called Pag. ;-)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Judiciary_Pag>


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> No way, 'cause I won't pay a dime for a game that wants me to pay over
> and over again. I can't arrange with the feeling to feed someone
> else's cash machine, sorry.
That's exactly what I'm talking about!


> >> Don't Panic!
> >It's good to see that we have a hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy fan
here
> >:)
>
> One? 😀
>
> Currently playing a lvl82 ama, called Pag. ;-)
>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_t
o_the_Galaxy#Judiciary_Pag>
>
Coolness, we should play together sometime. my acc is *knotz on HCL europe
:)
 
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"ArtDent" <par@noyd.invalidname> wrote:

>btw, is there a dedicated WoW ng yet?

I'd really appreciate a WoW NG the sooner the better, 'cause I can't
stand these "oh, it's so damn cool" postings anymore (especially when
they're not declared as "OT").

Why don't you WoW novices make one of your own?


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Joerg Frey wrote:
> "ArtDent" <par@noyd.invalidname> wrote:
>
>> btw, is there a dedicated WoW ng yet?
>
> I'd really appreciate a WoW NG the sooner the better, 'cause I can't
> stand these "oh, it's so damn cool" postings anymore (especially when
> they're not declared as "OT").
>
> Why don't you WoW novices make one of your own?
>
>
> J:
> NP: -

There's hardly enough on topic traffic here any more to get your panties in
too much of a wad over it. Besides, if you feel like you need to filter,
most of the WoW posts actually say "WoW" in the header, and you can filter
for "WoW", too, you know.

Anyway, we've traditionally not been too very uptight about an occasional OT
post/thread in the four-plus years I've been here, especially regarding new
games that are of general interest to the group, and very especially new
*Blizzard* games--which aren't *that* OT, anyway.

Chill, Joerg. 🙂
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My my, doesn't "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> look good in that
trenchcoat:

>Sadly enough for me, I suspect that I'm going to like *both*, for quite
>different reasons. If that's the case I suppose I could juggle accounts
>month by month, because I'm certainly not going to pay for both at once.
>
>Gack. I really hate having no willpower whatever.

Hehe, tell me if it reminds you of Guild Wars, that'll be as good of a
yardstick for me as any.
 
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Stephen van Ham wrote:
> My my, doesn't "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> look good in that
> trenchcoat:
>
>> Sadly enough for me, I suspect that I'm going to like *both*, for
>> quite different reasons. If that's the case I suppose I could
>> juggle accounts month by month, because I'm certainly not going to
>> pay for both at once.
>>
>> Gack. I really hate having no willpower whatever.
>
> Hehe, tell me if it reminds you of Guild Wars, that'll be as good of a
> yardstick for me as any.


I can already tell you that if there's much resemblance to Guild Wars, it's
well hidden, at least from what I've seen so far.

And I can also tell you that if I *find* much resemblance to Guild Wars,
it's going to be removed from my hard drive very quickly, lest it
permanently contaminate it. 🙂

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If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
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Hail and sacrifice to "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com>
Lord of Terror, and destroyer of souls!

>Stephen van Ham wrote:
>> My my, doesn't "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> look good in that
>> trenchcoat:
>>
>>> Sadly enough for me, I suspect that I'm going to like *both*, for
>>> quite different reasons. If that's the case I suppose I could
>>> juggle accounts month by month, because I'm certainly not going to
>>> pay for both at once.
>>>
>>> Gack. I really hate having no willpower whatever.
>>
>> Hehe, tell me if it reminds you of Guild Wars, that'll be as good of a
>> yardstick for me as any.
>
>
>I can already tell you that if there's much resemblance to Guild Wars, it's
>well hidden, at least from what I've seen so far.
>
>And I can also tell you that if I *find* much resemblance to Guild Wars,
>it's going to be removed from my hard drive very quickly, lest it
>permanently contaminate it. 🙂

Guild Wars contaminates hard drives? Why?
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jerk-o wrote:
>>> Hehe, tell me if it reminds you of Guild Wars, that'll be as good
>>> of a yardstick for me as any.
>>
>>
>> I can already tell you that if there's much resemblance to Guild
>> Wars, it's well hidden, at least from what I've seen so far.
>>
>> And I can also tell you that if I *find* much resemblance to Guild
>> Wars, it's going to be removed from my hard drive very quickly, lest
>> it permanently contaminate it. 🙂
>
> Guild Wars contaminates hard drives? Why?

Based on contact with the previous "betas/demos", many, maybe most of the
longtime regulars here pretty much think it blows steaming chunks. My
impression of it was of something more akin to an Unreal Tournament on rails
with swords and knives, than any sort of an RPG.

And likewise, most of the longtimers aren't that keen on PvP either.

All in all, the consensus seems to be that by and large we're massively
underwhelmed by what we've seen of GW so far.
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If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
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chainbreaker wrote:

> All in all, the consensus seems to be that by and large we're massively
> underwhelmed by what we've seen of GW so far.

My beef with it are the loading times between areas, where actual
content seems to be downloaded. That's a definite killer for someone
like me who does not have a broadband connection. Having to buy an
expansion every two months wouldn't cost me more than paying fifteen
Euro every month, but when I play a game, I want to play it, not sit
around and wait. Even worse, if party members are on broadband, I'd feel
like a burden. Just not my definition of fun.

M.
 
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Michael Vondung wrote:
> chainbreaker wrote:
>
>> All in all, the consensus seems to be that by and large we're
>> massively underwhelmed by what we've seen of GW so far.
>
> My beef with it are the loading times between areas, where actual
> content seems to be downloaded. That's a definite killer for someone
> like me who does not have a broadband connection. Having to buy an
> expansion every two months wouldn't cost me more than paying fifteen
> Euro every month, but when I play a game, I want to play it, not sit
> around and wait. Even worse, if party members are on broadband, I'd
> feel like a burden. Just not my definition of fun.
>
> M.


You'll want no part of EQ2, then.
--
chainbreaker

If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it.
 
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"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<colesp0271k@news2.newsguy.com>...
> Babe Bridou wrote:
> > chainbreaker wrote:
> >> but WoW runs butterly smooth, no loading lag I've yet discovered,
> >> and with no damnable zone loading yet discovered, either.
> >>
> >
> > Where do I sign?
> >
> > Do you really mean, no zone loading? no loading lag? butterly smooth?
> >
>
> As per my experience last night during the time I played, yes.
>
> Put it like this--in EQ2 for a similar amount of playing time in the
> starting situation I would have gone through . . . let's see now . . .
> opening ship, opening island, into lab, *out* of lab, into lab again, *out
> of lab again . . . what's that? . . . 6 zone loadings at least, and if you
> don't have at least a gig of memory, you're in for some MAJOR load
> times--hell, EQ2 is practically unplayable without a gig, dunno about WoW,
> cause I'm not taking those two rambus sticks back out just to see. 🙂
>
> But I'm sure there'll be some zone loading/lag somewhere down the pipeline.
>
> >
> > *gackkkk*
> >
> >
> > How long is it between the initial explorer double-click and the first
> > in-game move?
>
> Getting the initial patch is reaaalllllyyyyy loooonnggg and slow, at least
> it was for me--and it was only about 20mb worth, so they must have been
> feeding it through microfilament or something.
>
> But getting into the game once everything was set up was pretty quick--no
> more than a minute or so.

There will be loading when you go to a different city by certain
means. Example: you can travel from Stormwind to Ironforge with the
Gryphon(costs a bit of money, 50c, not much, but you need to
"know/learn" the Gryphon route from the Gryphon master in the
DESTINATION city(very important distinction!)) and the ride is
zone-less(you literally fly over the terrain; if you turn 180 degrees
on the Gryphon, you will be able to see VERY HIGH level creatures in
the areas you fly over) OR you can travel by taking a sort of
"underground" tram(it's free). This is where you will first see a bit
of zoning: when you cross from Stormwind into the Tram station, the
game will load a zone, and then it will load again a zone when you
have reached into your destination Tram station and you enter into
Ironforge.
The other time when zoning occurs is when you enter instanced
locations. Otherwise, no zoning.

BTW, if you played just a couple of hours, you have seen very
little...
I am level 16 currently, and I've been through 3 provinces(and will
soon go to a 4th), each province allowing you to level up at least 3-4
levels, if you do the quests.

Judging by your remarks, you have started as a Human, in Northshire,
in the Elwyn Forrest province. Trust me, there is plenty of content,
and, depending on what class you have chosen, you'll get quests that
other classes will not get.

Good luck!

P.S. Before playing the Open Beta for WoW, I could just not wait for
GW to be released. Now I am questioning if I will even have time to
play GW whne it releases. I trully like WoW, and I intend to play it
as much as I can. Maybe it mattered a lot that WoW was the first ever
MMORPG that I've ever played, even with the experience of the open
beta week-ends for GW.
 
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Valentin wrote:
> Judging by your remarks, you have started as a Human, in Northshire,
> in the Elwyn Forrest province. Trust me, there is plenty of content,
> and, depending on what class you have chosen, you'll get quests that
> other classes will not get.
>

Astute observation . . .

And I've played much more than that now, but only in some various races'
starter areas, since I wanted to get a "feel" for the different
races/classes before deciding on which to stay with.

> Good luck!
>
Thanks.

> P.S. Before playing the Open Beta for WoW, I could just not wait for
> GW to be released. Now I am questioning if I will even have time to
> play GW whne it releases. I trully like WoW, and I intend to play it
> as much as I can. Maybe it mattered a lot that WoW was the first ever
> MMORPG that I've ever played, even with the experience of the open
> beta week-ends for GW.

Well, IMO from what I've seen of GW, it's nowhere near the same league of
either WoW or EQ2.

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My my, doesn't "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> look good in that
trenchcoat:

>> My beef with it are the loading times between areas, where actual
>> content seems to be downloaded. That's a definite killer for someone
>> like me who does not have a broadband connection. Having to buy an
>> expansion every two months wouldn't cost me more than paying fifteen
>> Euro every month, but when I play a game, I want to play it, not sit
>> around and wait. Even worse, if party members are on broadband, I'd
>> feel like a burden. Just not my definition of fun.

>You'll want no part of EQ2, then.

But WoW is "okay" in this regard, though (playable without broadband)?
 
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Stephen van Ham wrote:
> My my, doesn't "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> look good in that
> trenchcoat:
>
>>> My beef with it are the loading times between areas, where actual
>>> content seems to be downloaded. That's a definite killer for someone
>>> like me who does not have a broadband connection. Having to buy an
>>> expansion every two months wouldn't cost me more than paying fifteen
>>> Euro every month, but when I play a game, I want to play it, not sit
>>> around and wait. Even worse, if party members are on broadband, I'd
>>> feel like a burden. Just not my definition of fun.
>
>> You'll want no part of EQ2, then.
>
> But WoW is "okay" in this regard, though (playable without broadband)?

From all reports, yes--but I have a broadband cable connection.

The zone loading is the biggie--it's quite frequent, long and distracting in
EQ2, especially during the early stages of the game.

So far I've played WoW for about 6 hours and have yet to experience a
noticeable zone-loading--everything's been seamless, smooth and trouble-free
.. . . no crashes, burps, blips, or anything.

And for a final comparison, after about 6 hours of EQ2, I'd probably spent a
total of 45 minutes or more tapping my feet waiting for something to
load/unload. But in fairness, I only had a half-gig of memory at the time
which made things worse--if I'd had a gig then, it would probably have been
only 15-30 minutes of loading downtime.

--
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"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Joerg Frey wrote:
>> "ArtDent" <par@noyd.invalidname> wrote:
>>
>>> btw, is there a dedicated WoW ng yet?
>>
>> I'd really appreciate a WoW NG the sooner the better, 'cause I can't
>> stand these "oh, it's so damn cool" postings anymore (especially when
>> they're not declared as "OT").
>>
>> Why don't you WoW novices make one of your own?
>
>There's hardly enough on topic traffic here any more to get your panties in
>too much of a wad over it.

Oh no, not the "Rock is dead" argument please.

Just because you "pulled it out" and have bought the grabby WoW stuff
in order to explore new worlds, it doesn't mean that the old one is
dead for everybody else, too. You long year NG regulars might have
seen everything regarding Diablo, but there are still several others
(e.g. newbies to the NG) that haven't already...


>Besides, if you feel like you need to filter, most of the WoW posts
>actually say "WoW" in the header, and you can filter for "WoW", too, you
>know.

I know. But there's no sense in subscribing to a newsgroup and first
of all having to read everything that's OT to get an idea on what to
set filters on. Off topic remains off topic, full stop.


>Anyway, we've traditionally not been too very uptight about an occasional
>OT post/thread in the four-plus years I've been here,

Occasional, but I doubt the traffic to remain the same. As more and
more players are going to switch to WoW, the amount of traffic will
increase, if there won't be a WoW NG created (or guys use forums or
other platforms).


>especially regarding new games that are of general interest to the group,
>and very especially new *Blizzard* games--which aren't *that* OT, anyway.

This is not a Blizzard related NG, have a look at its name.


>Chill, Joerg. 🙂

I haven't been upset at all. I just try to read a newgroup that has
one single game as its topic (and not the latest ones that the
authoring company is distributing), and it gets more and more
annoying because of these "oh, it's so damn cool", "*argh* I already
wasted tons of cash for it, but have to wait so damn long until it
starts in my country" or "it's faster than this, less complex than
that but all in all the best game ever" postings.

I simply don't understand the lazyness of reading the concerning FAQs
for setting up a new newsgroup.


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