[SOLVED] Wraith Stealth on i3-10100F?

[Prad_Bitt]

Hey guys. I might get an i3-10100F for my friend in a couple months, but I'm having trouble finding a cheap cooler because we don't want the ugly whiny Intel cooler. I live in India, the Deepcool Gammaxx GT argb is $38 which seems like a pretty good deal, but we'd rather not spend that either because we're trying to spend as less as possible in areas that aren't that important (rgb cpu cooler). Blue LED Gammaxx 400 is ugly as all hell (can i turn off the blue LED?) $19, great performance but so ugly. I have a Ryzen 5 3600, CM Hyper 212 RGB ($55) . The Wraith Stealth stock cooler that came with it is just kept in the box, so I can just give it to them if I want to, but will it make a difference over the intel cooler? Because this one is all aluminum, as far as I can tell. I just want more cooling at a lesser price. The case is going to be the CM MB511 ARGB. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Darkbreeze]

No, you can't put a Wraith cooler on an i3. Not in any way that would be considered functionally correct or acceptable.

Get the Gammaxx 400, it's the best of those options. It cools better even than the GT, as it has more heat pipes. The GT is only more expensive because of the RGB. The Gammaxx also outperforms the 212 EVO.

If you don't like the LED then replace the fan with a different one, now or down the road. Or get the regular Gammaxx 400, or Gammaxx 400 v2, that doesn't come with the LED lighting if it's available in your market.

Yes, the wraith cooler would perform better than the Intel stock cooler if it could be PROPERLY mounted on that socket, but it can't. It can possibly be alley engineered to sit on there but it will never work properly.

You need a cooler intended for use with the LGA 115x or LGA 1200 sockets, which both take the same cooler mounting hardware but are not compatible with any of the AMD mounting hardware especially not the stock AMD coolers.

On an i3, the stock cooler will probably not be all that bad, but the Gammaxx 400 is certainly a much better option.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

No, you can't put a Wraith cooler on an i3. Not in any way that would be considered functionally correct or acceptable.

Get the Gammaxx 400, it's the best of those options. It cools better even than the GT, as it has more heat pipes. The GT is only more expensive because of the RGB. The Gammaxx also outperforms the 212 EVO.

If you don't like the LED then replace the fan with a different one, now or down the road. Or get the regular Gammaxx 400, or Gammaxx 400 v2, that doesn't come with the LED lighting if it's available in your market.

Yes, the wraith cooler would perform better than the Intel stock cooler if it could be PROPERLY mounted on that socket, but it can't. It can possibly be alley engineered to sit on there but it will never work properly.

You need a cooler intended for use with the LGA 115x or LGA 1200 sockets, which both take the same cooler mounting hardware but are not compatible with any of the AMD mounting hardware especially not the stock AMD coolers.

On an i3, the stock cooler will probably not be all that bad, but the Gammaxx 400 is certainly a much better option.

Okay thanks for this. I can probably pitch in a little and get a Noctua Chromax 120mm fan.

What about the Gammaxx GTE? It seems to be the same, about $8 more, and has rgb fan, (not argb) which probably means I can turn off the LED with software.

There's a huge market for that LED stuff here. It's a static color! That's the worst possible thing

 

[Darkbreeze]

Are you talking about the GTE or the GTE v2?

What region are you in, as it might be easier to help you find options if I knew. Not a big deal either way.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Are you talking about the GTE or the GTE v2?

What region are you in, as it might be easier to help you find options if I knew. Not a big deal either way.

India. Weird options here. For non Led coolers other than the U12s ($80) all I can see is deepcool fans with bright blue fans that look like something out of a gas station dept store lol

amazon.in
primeabgb.com
mdcomputers.in
vedantcomputers.com

These are the staple pc component websites.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Do you have any black paint? Put a few dabs of black paint over the actual LED bulbs on the fan, then you won't see any lighting at all.

For that CPU, being honest, pretty much ANY 120 or 140mm air cooler is going to be perfectly fine, so long as it isn't some entirely unknown cheaply built knockoff brand.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Do you have any black paint? Put a few dabs of black paint over the actual LED bulbs on the fan, then you won't see any lighting at all.

For that CPU, being honest, pretty much ANY 120 or 140mm air cooler is going to be perfectly fine, so long as it isn't some entirely unknown cheaply built knockoff brand.

What about the Ryzen 3100 instead? They have the same performance right? Plus a better cooler? I'll probably only buy when prices settle and budget ampere comes out

 

[Darkbreeze]

To be honest that's a tossup. The Ryzen 3100 has better multithreaded performance, depending on what it is we're talking about, games or applications, and what title it is if it's a game, but in general it has moderately better multithreaded performance.

The i3-10100 on the other hand has a small advantage when it comes to single core performance. So it really matters what you do and what kind of games you tend to play. If you play games that you KNOW do better with more cores and threads, then the Ryzen might be the better choice. If you play games or run applications that you know primarily benefit more from strong core performance, then the 10100 might be the better choice. To be honest, I'd probably recommend whichever you can get for cheaper once you include the motherboard and memory, and keep in mind that the Ryzen 3100 (Depending on the board model and BIOS version, usually) will probably be capable of running a faster memory kit than the i3, which will likely be limited to 2666mhz memory.

Honestly, price is likely the biggest factor in any comparison of these two parts, BUT, since you already have a cooler that WILL fit the Ryzen 3100, you need to factor that in as well since you will not need to also purchase a cooler if you go that way.

 

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Black nail varnish is also good for annoying LEDs

 

[Prad_Bitt]

To be honest that's a tossup. The Ryzen 3100 has better multithreaded performance, depending on what it is we're talking about, games or applications, and what title it is if it's a game, but in general it has moderately better multithreaded performance.

The i3-10100 on the other hand has a small advantage when it comes to single core performance. So it really matters what you do and what kind of games you tend to play. If you play games that you KNOW do better with more cores and threads, then the Ryzen might be the better choice. If you play games or run applications that you know primarily benefit more from strong core performance, then the 10100 might be the better choice. To be honest, I'd probably recommend whichever you can get for cheaper once you include the motherboard and memory, and keep in mind that the Ryzen 3100 (Depending on the board model and BIOS version, usually) will probably be capable of running a faster memory kit than the i3, which will likely be limited to 2666mhz memory.

Honestly, price is likely the biggest factor in any comparison of these two parts, BUT, since you already have a cooler that WILL fit the Ryzen 3100, you need to factor that in as well since you will not need to also purchase a cooler if you go that way.

Prices here are weird. There's only a $9.5 difference between 2666 and 3200mhz C16 lol. So RAM isn't an issue. The issue is a nice cheap wifi board that's compatible. I can't find a single cheap B450 or B550 wifi. B460m. Pro vdh wifi on the other hand is widely available - $130. All wifi B550 are close to $200

 

[Darkbreeze]

Oh, I know exactly what you mean. I just went through this ordering a board for my sister's build. I ended up going with almost the exact same configuration, slightly different. B460m VDH but not the wifi model, because she doesn't need the wifi, and the i3-10100. I already have maybe ten DDR4 kits around here so that part is a non-issue.

Now, I WOULD have preferred to go with something Ryzen like one of the G models with graphics built in, and those USED to be a very good budget option. Not anymore. ALL of the Ryzen CPUs are basically more expensive than something equivalent from Intel, which is quite the script flip, plus the Intel parts are actually, somewhat, available. As for the motherboards, there is definitely a problem with supply and that's a perfect storm threefold problem, because of what's happened all year with hardware supply chain from China and elsewhere PLUS the holiday season just happened, AND there are major problems with supply of various parts for CPU, motherboard and graphics card manufacturers and all three of those things are seriously affecting availability and price.

This, is just a small example, overall, of why and what's going on.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-chipset-shortage-motherboard-prices-skyrocket

Mainly, there is a shortage of parts for all these components to be built, plus the various fabs are overwhelmed with demand and a lot of it isn't even PC related. CPUs for phones and such is a problem and Apple is high on the list of companies adding to the problems for everybody else because they have so much fab production allotted to them by TSMC, which affects AMD. It also affects plans that Intel supposedly had to possibly offload some production of their own CPUs to TSMC to ramp up production, which probably is a big fat not happening now.

Then SSD controller manufacturers say they are having shortages as well, so the price of SSDs is probably going up and availability going down, despite there being a glut of NAND.

As you know, power supplies are expensive still, and are still hard to come by. It's everything right now and the majority of it I believe is simply down to so many places having shut down production for short OR long periods of time, depending on where it is, and also a few small catastrophes that have happened where power has been lost and other various minor nightmares have occurred at some fabs.

That's why I say, whatever is cheaper but will do the job is the best option right now.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Oh, I know exactly what you mean. I just went through this ordering a board for my sister's build. I ended up going with almost the exact same configuration, slightly different. B460m VDH but not the wifi model, because she doesn't need the wifi, and the i3-10100. I already have maybe ten DDR4 kits around here so that part is a non-issue.

Now, I WOULD have preferred to go with something Ryzen like one of the G models with graphics built in, and those USED to be a very good budget option. Not anymore. ALL of the Ryzen CPUs are basically more expensive than something equivalent from Intel, which is quite the script flip, plus the Intel parts are actually, somewhat, available. As for the motherboards, there is definitely a problem with supply and that's a perfect storm threefold problem, because of what's happened all year with hardware supply chain from China and elsewhere PLUS the holiday season just happened, AND there are major problems with supply of various parts for CPU, motherboard and graphics card manufacturers and all three of those things are seriously affecting availability and price.

This, is just a small example, overall, of why and what's going on.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-chipset-shortage-motherboard-prices-skyrocket

Mainly, there is a shortage of parts for all these components to be built, plus the various fabs are overwhelmed with demand and a lot of it isn't even PC related. CPUs for phones and such is a problem and Apple is high on the list of companies adding to the problems for everybody else because they have so much fab production allotted to them by TSMC, which affects AMD. It also affects plans that Intel supposedly had to possibly offload some production of their own CPUs to TSMC to ramp up production, which probably is a big fat not happening now.

Then SSD controller manufacturers say they are having shortages as well, so the price of SSDs is probably going up and availability going down, despite there being a glut of NAND.

As you know, power supplies are expensive still, and are still hard to come by. It's everything right now and the majority of it I believe is simply down to so many places having shut down production for short OR long periods of time, depending on where it is, and also a few small catastrophes that have happened where power has been lost and other various minor nightmares have occurred at some fabs.

That's why I say, whatever is cheaper but will do the job is the best option right now.

Ah... Actually, her exams just got pushed lol now it'll be even longer before the build is in conception. I think waiting for ryzen 3 5200G or 4200G or whatever they wanna call it will be worth it. Hopefully by that time we'll have budget ampere and other stocks to make a cheaper proper build.

 

[Darkbreeze]

IDK. I'm glad I was able to get the parts I got now, because I suspect that everything across the board is about to get fundamentally more expensive and especially at the budget end of things because I feel like that is where there is going to be the biggest push for new systems based on everybody having more financial problems and less savings than they had during the last year. Even if these vaccines work out, it's not going to solve all the issues that have already been created, but then again, who knows.