Wtb,Creature Hologram

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send price and condtion,Thanks

Lee Conklin.
P.O Box 208 Jugg Street
Moravia,New York 13118
http://community.webtv.net/conkl/SomeofCONKS
http://members.tripod.com/~andybauch/magic.html

 

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>I'm holding my breath for some reproductions to be made but those who said
>they were "very close" to having one appear to have gone very quiet.

For your sake, let's hope they stay very quiet. I doubt they repops
will see the light of day if Wayne finds out who to go after.....

Kirb

 

[martin]

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Here's a search temr to play with:

polaroid dmp-128

Sets me to wondering if the image could somehow be re-developed.
Problem is, Polaroid's out of this busines.

 

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John Trudeau (the designer of CFTBL) currently has a hologram up for
bid on Ebay. He has put other holograms on there in the past as well.
I'm guessing he has a small stash of them and is "releasing" one every
few months. I wonder how many he has. If I remember correctly, his
previous holograms have sold in the $400-$500 range. The picture he
uses on his auctions show an incredibly bright green image. It looks
like he uses the same picture every single time though. Don't know if
there's any variation in the ones he sells, but it is probably safe to
assume they're all NOS and in fine condition. Here's a link to the
auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6197879404&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Unfortunately, Ebay seems like the only source for these things. There
has been rumblings of repros coming soon in the past, but to this point
nothing has been successfully brought to market. My guess is either a
technical issue (actually making the holos), a licensing issue (with
Universal), or both.

Ted

 

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SB wrote:
> Lenticular Imaging - maybe not a hologram but I bet its a cheaper
> option! Somebody send them a high res scan of your green hologram!
>
> http://www.depthography.com

This has been discussed before, google lenticular holograms (limiting
the search to rgp).

I don't think you'd be very happy with a lenticular substitute for a
hologram. Lenticulars trade off depth of field with resolution, and
have a much more limited viewing angle as compared to holograms. So
with a hologram you get deep 3D with high resolution.

An advantage of lenticulars is that they don't suffer from color shift
as your viewing angle changes, so multicolor artwork looks better.

steve SDTM

 

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"rudy gulp ptooie" <t.mottor@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1122902825.422638.113030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> John Trudeau (the designer of CFTBL) currently has a hologram up for
> bid on Ebay. He has put other holograms on there in the past as well.
> I'm guessing he has a small stash of them and is "releasing" one every
> few months. I wonder how many he has. If I remember correctly, his
> previous holograms have sold in the $400-$500 range. The picture he
> uses on his auctions show an incredibly bright green image. It looks
> like he uses the same picture every single time though. Don't know if
> there's any variation in the ones he sells, but it is probably safe to
> assume they're all NOS and in fine condition. Here's a link to the
> auction:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6197879404&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

FYI the two that I've seen (I bought one of them and a friend bought
another) that he sold on eBay were pretty badly scuffed. Looks like the
same photo -- so just a head's-up for any potential bidders that it may not
be in fine condition.

Randy

 

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Great point Randy. They're probably NOS, but after sitting around for
a dozen years who knows what condition they are still in. To be safe,
I would write and ask lots of questions before bidding that significant
amount of money. He seems like a real nice guy in the few emails I've
had with him in the past. I've never purchased anything from him, but
he is very friendly and forthcoming with lots of info on the pins he's
designed.

To think that just a couple of years ago, these holos were available
from sources such as Pinball Resource for around $20.

Ted

 

[sb]

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:43:44 +1000, <conkl@webtv.net> wrote:

> send price and condtion,Thanks


You and me both buddy.

I'm holding my breath for some reproductions to be made but those who said
they were "very close" to having one appear to have gone very quiet.

 

[Adi]

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You, and him, and your buddy, and his buddy's cousin and a lot of other
people. There is a long line, the game has been released in 1992, and as
Cliffy confirmed they do wither and fade away and die. Like everything else
in pinball, someone WILL eventually make them. It is certainly cheaper and
easier than back then. Hang in there.

Adi
www.txpinball.com



"SB" <groobly@gmail.com> wrote in message newsp.sus5yliyge2v2v@guinness...
> On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:43:44 +1000, <conkl@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > send price and condtion,Thanks
>
>
> You and me both buddy.
>
> I'm holding my breath for some reproductions to be made but those who said
> they were "very close" to having one appear to have gone very quiet.
>

 

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My holo was in a dirty, disgusting bar for a dozen years, and it's
fine.

I don't think anyone really knows or understands why, when, or how
these holos deteriorate.

My theory- sunlight/uv light. My Creature never saw any of it in that
bar, that's for sure.

I would think that the NOS ones for sale will be fine, as long as they
were kept in a folder or something and away from the elements.

rudy gulp ptooie wrote:
> Great point Randy. They're probably NOS, but after sitting around for
> a dozen years who knows what condition they are still in. To be safe,
> I would write and ask lots of questions before bidding that significant
> amount of money. He seems like a real nice guy in the few emails I've
> had with him in the past. I've never purchased anything from him, but
> he is very friendly and forthcoming with lots of info on the pins he's
> designed.
>
> To think that just a couple of years ago, these holos were available
> from sources such as Pinball Resource for around $20.
>
> Ted

 

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"ldnayman" <ldnayman@aol.com> wrote in message
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> My holo was in a dirty, disgusting bar for a dozen years, and it's
> fine.
>
> I don't think anyone really knows or understands why, when, or how
> these holos deteriorate.
>
> My theory- sunlight/uv light. My Creature never saw any of it in that
> bar, that's for sure.
>
> I would think that the NOS ones for sale will be fine, as long as they
> were kept in a folder or something and away from the elements.

My point was that the two he's sold that I know of were physically
scuffed -- literally hundreds of small scratches all over the thing -- they
looked fantastic other than that. I don't mean just normal surface
scratches from normal storage abrasion, but something happened to them, I
don't know what.

Randy

 

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Yup. My understanding is that UV light is what kills them (based on
many Google searches that I've performed in the past). If they're not
exposed, they should be alright.

The holo in my Creech is a beauty and I keep my game covered all the
time.

Ted

 

[Don]

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I want to add that I bought one of John Trudeau's holograms as well.
He described it perfectly including the one small flaw (which he
pointed out with a separate photo as well). The hologram was
excellent, green, bright and JUST as described. He even went so far as
to provide some repair tips for the machine. I wouldn't have paid the
super high prices some people did for those holos, I got mine for right
around $200. My opinion is that some people ended up with buyer's
regret after spending 500-600 bucks on a hologram and started hunting
for small imperfections to make complaints about. John was a great guy
to deal with, I'd buy from him again anytime.

- Don

 

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Don, these were not small imperfections I found as a result of buyer's
regret -- they were clear and obvious scuff marks.

I have exchanged e-mails with John and purchased other items from him that
were terrific, and he's been very friendly to deal with. I didn't make a
stink about it because he's a good guy and I figured the scratches wouldn't
be visible under the glass/plastic/low light anyway (which they aren't.)
But you couldn't look at these two holograms and not notice immediately that
they were very scuffed up.

I'm glad the one you bought did not have the problems I found.

Randy

"Don" <dlhenson@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1122938062.001664.103370@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I want to add that I bought one of John Trudeau's holograms as well.
> He described it perfectly including the one small flaw (which he
> pointed out with a separate photo as well). The hologram was
> excellent, green, bright and JUST as described. He even went so far as
> to provide some repair tips for the machine. I wouldn't have paid the
> super high prices some people did for those holos, I got mine for right
> around $200. My opinion is that some people ended up with buyer's
> regret after spending 500-600 bucks on a hologram and started hunting
> for small imperfections to make complaints about. John was a great guy
> to deal with, I'd buy from him again anytime.
>
> - Don
>

 

[Don]

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I appologize if I sounded rude. I guess I've had too many buyers come
back to me complaining of things that weren't issues at the time an
item was sold.

I'm sorry to hear you received a damaged holo and I agree with you that
if an expensive item like these holos had obvious scuffs not described
in the listing, I would be concerned too. I'm just also suprised that
John would list one for sale and not point out such damage. Mine had
only a very small imperfection on the Creature's nose area and he went
out of the way to point it out in the listing. Maybe also it is that
this replacement was such an improvement over my old solid blue holo
that I'm able to overlook pretty much any imperfection that's not
visible with the holo installed.

As always it brings back into focus what NOS really means. It does not
mean that the item has no wear or damage.

- Don


Randy P. wrote:
> Don, these were not small imperfections I found as a result of buyer's
> regret -- they were clear and obvious scuff marks.

 

[sb]

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:28:34 +1000, martin <martin.reynolds@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here's a search temr to play with:
>
> polaroid dmp-128
>
> Sets me to wondering if the image could somehow be re-developed.
> Problem is, Polaroid's out of this busines.
>


Imagine that!! Immerse for 25 seconds in solution X and rinse in solution
Y and old green-gills is back laughing at you... I wish!

 

[Don]

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Correct Otto, that is what I meant to say. NOS should mean new,
original, not used, not installed and in many cases has been sitting
around a while. Being moved from shelf to shelf and in storage can
sometimes cause damage like scuffs, scratches, tarnish, etc. If there
are such imperfections, I agree that they need to be pointed out in the
NOS description.

- Don

Otto wrote:
> I disagree.
>
>
>
> New old stock means new but been sittin' around for a while.
>
> Not used. Not worn. Not damaged.
>
> Brand new but just sittin' around with mother time.
>
>
>
>
> If it isn't perfect, disclose it.
>
>
>
>
> Otto
>
> CARGPB11

 

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Exactly right Otto.

I remember the auction Randy won, I also remember it stating something
to the effect of this being his last one. Coincidence he listed this
one after
Randys' auction expired in his feedback, don't know.

IMO he should have exchanged the scuffed holo, with this one he
magically found in his "inventory".

These auctions of his once started at $10 or so, now $200

Mike


Otto wrote:
> I disagree.
>
>
>
> New old stock means new but been sittin' around for a while.
>
> Not used. Not worn. Not damaged.
>
> Brand new but just sittin' around with mother time.
>
>
>
>
> If it isn't perfect, disclose it.
>
>
>
>
> Otto
>
> CARGPB11
>
> My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Don" <dlhenson@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:1122950469.045091.226220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > As always it brings back into focus what NOS really means. It does not
> > mean that the item has no wear or damage.

 

[otto]

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I disagree.



New old stock means new but been sittin' around for a while.

Not used. Not worn. Not damaged.

Brand new but just sittin' around with mother time.




If it isn't perfect, disclose it.




Otto

CARGPB11

My web page: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Ottoslanding






"Don" <dlhenson@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> As always it brings back into focus what NOS really means. It does not
> mean that the item has no wear or damage.

 

[sb]

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:27:05 +1000, rudy gulp ptooie
<t.mottor@comcast.net> wrote:

> John Trudeau (the designer of CFTBL) currently has a hologram up for
> bid on Ebay. He has put other holograms on there in the past as well.
> I'm guessing he has a small stash of them and is "releasing" one every
> few months. I wonder how many he has. If I remember correctly, his
> previous holograms have sold in the $400-$500 range. The picture he
> uses on his auctions show an incredibly bright green image. It looks
> like he uses the same picture every single time though. Don't know if
> there's any variation in the ones he sells, but it is probably safe to
> assume they're all NOS and in fine condition. Here's a link to the
> auction:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6197879404&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
>
> Unfortunately, Ebay seems like the only source for these things. There
> has been rumblings of repros coming soon in the past, but to this point
> nothing has been successfully brought to market. My guess is either a
> technical issue (actually making the holos), a licensing issue (with
> Universal), or both.
>
> Ted


If I was going to pay $500 there is no way I could put it into a pinball
machine knowing full well that it would begin its slow slide into
destruction.

I'd be happy with a $20 plastic ridged quasi-3D look alike using the
technology they put into cards in cereal packets where the image appears
to move because the little plastic ridges show you a different underlying
image depending on your angle of view. You know the sort - you can feel
the tiny ridges in the clear plastic overlay with your fingernail.

 

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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 23:48:33 +1000, SB <groobly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd be happy with a $20 plastic ridged quasi-3D look alike using the
> technology they put into cards in cereal packets where the image appears
> to move because the little plastic ridges show you a different
> underlying image depending on your angle of view. You know the sort -
> you can feel the tiny ridges in the clear plastic overlay with your
> fingernail.


There you go:

Lenticular Imaging - maybe not a hologram but I bet its a cheaper
option! Somebody send them a high res scan of your green hologram!

http://www.depthography.com