Question X or non-X Ryzen

[Corgoi]

If I'm planning to overclock is there any reason to go for a X ryzen cpu?
Also, if the non-x ryzens don't have any turbo boosting feature, are they always gonna stay at the overclocked clock speed (even in idle) ?

 

[DMAN999]

If you plan on OCing then the non-X version would be my choice.
You can get it quite a bit cheaper and OC it (with a decent cooler) get the same performance as the x version.
If I had a 2600x instead of my 2600 I would most likely Not OC it.
As for it going to lower clocks at idle you just need to set the balanced power plan in Windows and it will.
I use the Ryzen Balanced Plan and mine clocks down to 1.55 GHz at idle and up to 3.95 GHz (all cores) under full load.

 

[Corgoi]

If you plan on OCing then the non-X version would be my choice.
You can get it quite a bit cheaper and OC it (with a decent cooler) get the same performance as the x version.
If I had a 2600x instead of my 2600 I would most likely Not OC it.
As for it going to lower clocks at idle you just need to set the balanced power plan in Windows and it will.
I use the Ryzen Balanced Plan and mine clocks down to 1.55 GHz at idle and up to 3.95 GHz (all cores) under full load.

but the standard clock speed is 3.6ghz and boost 3.9ghz how do you get those values lol

So basically the x versions are pre-overclocked chips ans that's all? The non-x'es have same overclocking capabilities? Cause then that's an obvious non-x 2700 for me

Also can I set some adaptive mode in bios? Or some offset values or smth. I don't really like changing it from the windows

 

[DMAN999]

I have mine OC'd in the BIOS.
My standard clock is 3.4 GHz and 3.9 on 1, 2 or more cores as needed.
BUT with the Balanced power plan it will clock lower at idle and up to whatever max you set in BIOS under load on all cores.
So as long as your MB has the necessary options in the BIOS you should Not have any trouble OCing the 2700 in the BIOS.

 

[Corgoi]

I have mine OC'd in the BIOS.
The standard clock is 3.4 GHz and 3.9 on 1.2 or more cores as needed.
BUT with the Balanced power plan it wil lclock lower at idle and up to whatever max you set in BIOS under load on all cores.
So as long as your MB has the necessary options in the BIOS you should Not have any trouble OCing the 2700 in the BIOS.

Oh, thanks
Also, since I'm new to AMD I have some questions and if you don't mind helping me I'd appreciate a lot

1. So if the ryzen only supports 2933 mhz , ram is 3000 and the mb supports over 3000, is there any setting in the bios that I can turn on to be able to run the ram at 3000 mhz (like xmp on intel) or do I have to go for 2933 mhz ram?

2. What motherboards are considered 'good' for amds? Like what's the amd's 'z370'? Or just recommend me a mb for a pc like ryzen 5 or 7 and rtx 2070

 

[99StefanRO]

In my opinion, if you are going to OC, the X version should not be on your list. I got myself a 2600 non X with a GAMMAX 300 and I OC'd it to 4.0 Ghz and 1.35v using Ryzen Master. It's stable, temps in gaming are around 50 degrees. I can not go further because my cooler won't let me, if I change it I'll go for 4.1-4.2.

So yes, for me it is simple:
Want to take your time and OC? Get a good cooler and the non X
Want to have better "out of the box" performance with no headaches? The X is your choice.

1. I have my RAM @3200 (3000 Mhz and OCed to 3200 Mhz) and no problem so far. There is a XMP for AMD. I forgot it's name.
2. The "z370" alternatives for AMD is the X470 (Do not settle for a X370, get the 470).

Forgot to say: I have a decent quality B450 motherboard, the ASUS TUF B450M-PLUS Gaming. It has a decent heatsink on the VRM and can handle my OC so far, I just can't seem to find any Manual Voltage Control in the BIOS, that's why I am using the RM Software.

 

[Corgoi]

In my opinion, if you are going to OC, the X version should not be on your list. I got myself a 2600 non X with a GAMMAX 300 and I OC'd it to 4.0 Ghz and 1.35v using Ryzen Master. It's stable, temps in gaming are around 50 degrees. I can not go further because my cooler won't let me, if I change it I'll go for 4.1-4.2.

So yes, for me it is simple:
Want to take your time and OC? Get a good cooler and the non X
Want to have better "out of the box" performance with no headaches? The X is your choice.

1. I have my RAM @3200 (3000 Mhz and OCed to 3200 Mhz) and no problem so far. There is a XMP for AMD. I forgot it's name.
2. The "z370" alternatives for AMD is the X470 (Do not settle for a X370, get the 470).

1.35 v la 4ghz si 50 de grade cu cooler de 1milion? Si eu care voiam sa iau aio de 240mm
Atunci cred ca nu are niciun sens sa imi iau ceva mai bun decat un Hyper212 evo pt un 2700 si un x470

 

[99StefanRO]

1.35 v la 4ghz si 50 de grade cu cooler de 1milion? Si eu care voiam sa iau aio de 240mm
Atunci cred ca nu are niciun sens sa imi iau ceva mai bun decat un Hyper212 evo pt un 2700 si un x470

Da, totusi nu intelege gresit, asta se intampla doar in gaming unde CPU Usage nu prea trece de 50%. In prime 95 imi urca foarte repede peste 75.
Si eu ma gandeam la un AIO de 240 sau la un be quiet Dark Rock 4. Ideea e ca nu o sa ajunga CPU-ul daca te joci decat la maxim 70-80% usage in jocurile mai intensive.

Eu joc PUBG, CSGO, Forza Horizon 4 cel mai intens si in niciunul nu ajunge la 60 de grade.. in rest doar casual stuff.

 

[Corgoi]

Da, totusi nu intelege gresit, asta se intampla doar in gaming unde CPU Usage nu prea trece de 50%. In prime 95 imi urca foarte repede peste 75.
Si eu ma gandeam la un AIO de 240 sau la un be quiet Dark Rock 4. Ideea e ca nu o sa ajunga CPU-ul daca te joci decat la maxim 70-80% usage in jocurile mai intensive.

Eu joc PUBG, CSGO, Forza Horizon 4 cel mai intens si in niciunul nu ajunge la 60 de grade.. in rest doar casual stuff.

Si ce placa video ai apropo?

 

[99StefanRO]

Am un 1060 de 6 Gb. Imi cam face bottleneck asa ca planuiesc sa o schimb cu un 2060/2070 in vara asta.

Ea merge ok, jocurile sunt fluide si nu am probleme la 1080p 60hz, dar e loc de mai bine cu acest R5 2600.

 

[Corgoi]

Am un 1060 de 6 Gb. Imi cam face bottleneck asa ca planuiesc sa o schimb cu un 2060/2070 in vara asta.

Ea merge ok, jocurile sunt fluide si nu am probleme la 1080p 60hz, dar e loc de mai bine cu acest R5 2600.

Din ce imi spui tu, par bune rau Ryzen-urile astea
Imi facusem un build cu 9600k si 2060 si acum am facut 2700 cu 2070 si am iesit mai ieftin si cred ca o sa am si performante mult mai bune (si inteleg ca nu o sa faca 2700-le bottleneck pe 2070 daca tie iti face 1060-ul bottleneck pe 2600)
Intel sunt cam depasiti

 

[99StefanRO]

Din ce imi spui tu, par bune rau Ryzen-urile astea
Imi facusem un build cu 9600k si 2060 si acum am facut 2700 cu 2070 si am iesit mai ieftin si cred ca o sa am si performante mult mai bune (si inteleg ca nu o sa faca 2700-le bottleneck pe 2070 daca tie iti face 1060-ul bottleneck pe 2600)
Intel sunt cam depasiti

Nu sunt depasiti, in gaming Intel inca are avantaj. Sunt bune Ryzen, nu bune rau. In acelasi build, un intel ar scoata pana la 15 FPS mai mult decat un AMD de acelasi nivel, dar si pretul e cam mare.
2700 nu o sa iti faca bottleneck pe 2070.
Recomandarea mea ar fi sa mergi pe 2700 cu 2070 pentru ca sigur e mai bun decat un 9600k cu un 2060 si nu o sa ai griji cu el.
Astept cu nerabdare generatia a 3-a de Ryzen care se va lansa in vara, pare promitatoare si daca se adeveresc zvonurile Intel nu o sa mai merite din cauza pretului urias.

 

[Crosslhs82x2]

Hi i have the 2600x on a asus rog strix x470 f gaming with 16gb 2x8 g.skill flare x 3200 @3400 (asus xmp on this mobo is DOCP)and tightened timings running Ryzen Dram calculator, with a corsair h100i, and a gtx 1070 ti.
In bios i have xfr2 and pbo enabled.
Xfr= extended frequency range the better the cooling the higher it can go. (To a point) pbo= performance boost override.
@ 5% mim processor state in ryzen balanced plan it stays about 2.1 to 2.2ghz on any kind of cpu load it goes to 4.24 or better.
Running 3dmark firestrike cpu stats tell me it goes up to 4.6g especially when my ambient temps are cold.
Mostly 4.244g.
But keep in mind that 4.6g is Not sustained it is only for split secs.

If you are still in the planning stage the 3000 series will be out in June to July time frame. They have been spotted on foreign market sites already.
The 2600x is 6 core the 3600x will be 8 cores the 3700's will be i think 12 cores.

 

[Crosslhs82x2]

Oops 1 item in my specs should be
Corsair h110i.