[SOLVED] X370 SLI PLUS and Ryzen 2600X

[ruderuderude]

Hi,

I'm trying currently to upgrade my RAM to a 64GB 3200 C14 because this is supposed to be the best combination with my Ryzen 2600X. But do I see correctly on this website

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-SLI-PLUS#support-mem-14

that this is not possible with my current motherboard? I tried searching this quite often and I hope I do not annoy anyone with this question. Sorry english is not my first language!

 

[drea.drechsler]

Hi,

I'm trying currently to upgrade my RAM to a 64GB 3200 C14 because this is supposed to be the best combination with my Ryzen 2600X. But do I see correctly on this website

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-SLI-PLUS#support-mem-14

that this is not possible with my current motherboard? I tried searching this quite often and I hope I do not annoy anyone with this question. Sorry english is not my first language!

Ryzen 2000 CPU's are rated only to 2933 memory. It may be possible to get 3200 memory to work but it's not 'guaranteed' as it would be an overclock for the CPU's internal memory controller. All you can do is try, if it doesn't work just manually set the memory clock to 2933 while also leaving XMP enabled to see if that works.

Manually tweaking of timings and voltages might get it to work at 3200 even so. That can be hard, but using the AMD DRAM Calculator tool might help you with timings to use.

 

[ruderuderude]

Ryzen 2000 CPU's are rated only to 2933 memory. It may be possible to get 3200 memory to work but it's not 'guaranteed' as it would be an overclock for the CPU's internal memory controller. All you can do is try, if it doesn't work just manually set the memory clock to 2933 while also leaving XMP enabled to see if that works.

Manually tweaking of timings and voltages might get it to work at 3200 even so. That can be hard, but using the AMD DRAM Calculator tool might help you with timings to use.

So am I misinformed?

Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series have a sweet spot with memory at 3200 with a CL of 14, Ryzen 3000 series has a sweet spot at 3600 with a CL of 16.

from this Reddit thread: View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbpqbm/fastest_ram_for_ryzen_2600x_does_ddr43600_make/

 

[drea.drechsler]

So am I misinformed?
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Not so much misinformed as not understanding. The CPU being rated by the mfr. to 2933 doesn't mean it can't work above that rated speed, but it's overclocking. As with any overclocking it's not always achievable as it depends on quality of CPU and memory as well as quality of the motherboard. Much of that can be overcome with tweaking of timings and voltages.

Higher memory speeds almost always benefits Ryzen CPU's since IF clock speed is pegged to memory. But it can be a bit of a struggle with tweaking and testing. And it can also result in harming performance with latency sensitive applications if timings are left too loose.

So, say it another way: You can't just pop it in any old motherboard with any old CPU and expect to work right off even on XMP. At the very least it may need a big bump in voltage (many people aren't willing to do that). Even if it does it's probably using extremely loose timings that will result in laggy performance.

 

[ruderuderude]

Not so much misinformed as not understanding. The CPU being rated by the mfr. to 2933 doesn't mean it can't work above that rated speed, but it's overclocking. As with any overclocking it's not always achievable as it depends on quality of CPU and memory as well as quality of the motherboard. Much of that can be overcome with tweaking of timings and voltages.

Higher memory speeds almost always benefits Ryzen CPU's since IF clock speed is pegged to memory. But it can be a bit of a struggle with tweaking and testing. And it can also result in harming performance with latency sensitive applications if timings are left too loose.

So, say it another way: You can't just pop it in any old motherboard with any old CPU and expect to work right off even on XMP. At the very least it may need a bump in voltage (many people aren't willing to do that). Even if it does it's probably using extremely loose timings that will result in laggy performance.

Ah thanks a lot for clearing that up and making that clear. I actually don't really want to go into overclocking and am just looking for the best price to performance also for the future if i might upgrade.

 

[drea.drechsler]

Ah thanks a lot for clearing that up and making that clear. I actually don't really want to go into overclocking and am just looking for the best price to performance also for the future if i might upgrade.

What memory speed are you using now and what capacity? It can help, but may not be the sort of improvement to make you perk up in your seat. If memory constrained going from 8 to 16GB along with a bump to 3200 will be nice, but if already at 16GB but 2933 you may not notice it except in memory sensitive BM's.

 

[ruderuderude]

I'm currently using two G.Skill F4-3000C15-8GVRB which is clocked to 1000 according to HWInfo. I work with a lot of High Res PSD files professionally and recently got into droning and those 4K files take ages to prerender for cutting. Also my current Lightroom Catalog has 150k images. Also I create Gigapixel images by stitching multiple 45MP pictures together. So I thought going directly to 64GB would be wiser And yeah generally I'm trying to figure out in what way I should upgrade my current setup but wisely as in I don't want to spend 1500$ on a GTX 3000 series card 😀

 

[drea.drechsler]

I'm currently using two G.Skill F4-3000C15-8GVRB which is clocked to 1000 according to HWInfo. I work with a lot of High Res PSD files professionally and recently got into droning and those 4K files take ages to prerender for cutting. Also my current Lightroom Catalog has 150k images. Also I create Gigapixel images by stitching multiple 45MP pictures together. So I thought going directly to 64GB would be wiser And yeah generally I'm trying to figure out in what way I should upgrade my current setup but wisely as in I don't want to spend 1500$ on a GTX 3000 series card 😀

I'm pretty sure more memory helps in your use case, whether it's 64Gb will make the difference is important though. If you have to run 4 sticks to get that much it will be very difficult to achieve higher clocks unless your motherboard was designed with the right sort of memory interconnects.

When memory size matters though, clock speed is rarely as important since nothing...NOTHING....is as bad as using virtual memory. Just going big, regardless of speed, will indeed make you sit up in your chair if you're current work means you're using virtual memory!

But back to your situation: if you do have to run with 4 16GB sticks to get 64GB I wouldn't count on more than 2666, that just because of motherboard limitations. You might get to 2933 but count on some tweaking to get there. And testing...long, long hours of letting it test with that much memory.

But as for your current memory: HWINfo telling it is clocked to 1000 means it's running at DDR-2000 speed, which is a pretty slow default DDR clock speed. You could speed up your current memory (it's DDR-3000) just by enabling XMP; have you ever tried that?

 

[ruderuderude]

I'm pretty sure more memory helps in your use case, whether it's 64Gb will make the difference is important though. If you have to run 4 sticks to get that much it will be very difficult to achieve higher clocks unless your motherboard was designed with the right sort of memory interconnects.

When memory size matters though, clock speed is rarely as important since nothing...NOTHING....is as bad as using virtual memory. Just going big, regardless of speed, will indeed make you sit up in your chair if you're current work means you're using virtual memory!

Yeah I found multiple YouTube videos at this point that compare Adobe Premiere Pro performance with more RAM which can really improve performance. Also Pudget Systems has a lot of benchmarks on it. Also CL14 or not does not seem to impact Premiere Pro render times and is mostly important for gaming performance.

But back to your situation: if you do have to run with 4 16GB sticks to get 64GB I wouldn't count on more than 2666, that just because of motherboard limitations. You might get to 2933 but count on some tweaking to get there. And testing...long, long hours of letting it test with that much memory.

But as for your current memory: HWINfo telling it is clocked to 1000 means it's running at DDR-2000 speed, which is a pretty slow default DDR clock speed. You could speed up your current memory (it's DDR-3000) just by enabling XMP; have you ever tried that?

You're the GOAT for pointing out XMP today. I had turned it off after installing and fiddling with an NVME and forgot to turn it back on. That was two and a half years ago. I have since then finished RDR 2 and Cyberpunk and a lot of other games with 15 - 20 % less performance on my computer. So since turning it back on my system is so snappy I'm considering turning down the mouse sensitivity ;D

Considering what type of RAM I'll go for I think I have to plan a little bit more on how I want to further go down the Ryzen line and whether I will want to switch my motherboard sooner than later but thank you a lot nonetheless!