x800 pro, getting "bad" framerates

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Hi all.

I'm new here so be gentle. I'm a rare breed, a female gamer who loves to kick arse in ut2004. After suffering horrid framerates in certain ONS maps on my old GF4, I decded to get myself a Sapphire x800pro (after reading the benchmarks from Tom, how could I resist?).

However, I'm shocked at how badly the card is actually performing, in comparison to Toms benchmarks, on my system. Has anyone else here actually obtained an x800pro yet? I'd be curious to see what sort of frame rates they get.

I was playing crossfire last night, and got avg 70fps in spec mode with no players, near the core. Once the action started, it was averaging at 33 fps - not good enough. Same on any map. Worse on big open maps like dawn - get an average 28 there.

I've tried various levels of AA and filtering but nothing seems to actually improve the frames per second. I couldn't find an option to turn AA off altogether in the graphics card opengl/direect3d settings (it was either 2x or "application controlled").

I'm hoping that the bad performance is due to some old Nvidea driver being left around, so will do a format / reinstall windows tonight. I'll probably reinstall UT too (and I don't have EAX selected in ut because it reputedly has a performance hit)

Nerdy info:

Intel p4 2.8 clocked to about 3.1 (10%)
asus p4p800 motherboard
Sapphire radeon x800pro
Creative audigy player
bog standard ddr333 pc2700 ram (1gig)
OS: WinXP with no service pack.

I know all too well my system isn't as good as the one Tom used in his benchmarks. However it's not insuperior to the point where it should knock 60fps off the benchmarked fps!

Other notes about UT:

I run at 1280 res, 32 bit colour, have tried various detail levels but framerate remains at a constant (low) average.
There's no hardrive thrashing, it just goes quite slow in places.
Avg fps without firefights is 50
avg with firefights is 28-33
 

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I know of at least one member here, Speeduk, who HAD one (he voltmodded, aggressively OCed and unlocked all 16 pipes and sold it for a large profit). He had higher frame rates in FarCry...so something is wrong.

When you switched from GF4 to X800P...did you reinstall windows or use some driver deletion programs to FULLY remove all of nVidia's drivers? Also, what Catalyst version do you have?

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"When you switched from GF4 to X800P...did you reinstall windows or use some driver deletion programs to FULLY remove all of nVidia's drivers? Also, what Catalyst version do you have?"

I plan on formatting tonight. There could well be some drivers left kicking around, though I did uninstall the software and uninstall the card from device manager.

Using the latest cats, 4.5 I think.
 

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Yeah, remnants of nVidia drivers can really screw up ATi's performance...a clean format should do you wonders (unless you have a near-dead card in addition). Also, CAT 4.6s are out...so are 4.7betas (which have excellent performance).

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Thanks for the info. I'll try find those beta drivers and install them after I reformat.

I'll let you know if it works.

What's a "near dead" card?
 

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A bad card that will still work (albeit barely).

Most cards work perfectly, some are DOA, others are bad (or near-dead as I said). Usually the bad ones are secondhand, however (first owner OCs the crap outta the card). Bad cards also artifact a lot...so I highly doubt you have a bad card.

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"You Cpu 2.8B or 2.8C? 533Mhz FSB or 800Mhz FSB."

800mhz.

Just did a format and clean install, latest drivers, clean install of UT.

28 fps min at 1024, 32 bi tcolour.
33 average.

Totally slow in other words..
 

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Mem divider probably. Shouldn't make that HUGE of a difference...my 9800Pro on a 3.06B gets higher fps, so something else is wrong.

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WTF--run 3DMark03 if you can and post your score. You can download it <A HREF="http://www.futuremark.com" target="_new">Here</A>.

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dude, 28fps in UT?


o_O


something not right there. you should be gettin 300fps lol



did you install chipset drivers, and dx9b, and audio drivers?

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Latest intel chipset drivers from www.asus.com for my p4p800
Latest audigy drivers
Latest (non beta) cat drivers

dx9b installed as part of ut2004

Will run 3dmark soon
 

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wierd man


thast just wierd. my GF4 on a 2000+ Athlon, got more than 30fps. mind you , that was with no AA/AF but still

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I know.. I don't understand it :) My gf4 was faster.

The format's made no difference at all. I've knocked it down to 1024, and without aa or anything on it's still dropping to 28 when theres action on screen (can be up to 70 with no action in closed off areas).


Just downloading 3dmark now, will be an hour or so.
 
If you are basing it on AVG fps, first thing first, remove Vsync, it's better for gaming mos times, but benchies are usually run without Vsync to allow highest max fps.

Also consider that the game may have defaulted to higher details, viewdistance, etc. based on it's recognition of a more powerful card.

Also on games that don't require the latest feature DX7/8 based games, often you will see little performance difference because they are both running the game without a problem (the GF4ti is a very VERY good DX7/8 card), and then you become limited by your system's abilities to run the game (thus being CPU/memory/etc limited). If you look at most X800/GF6800 benchies, they aren't impressive at 800x600/1024x768, and even sometimes 1280x1024, but it's when he resolution goes higher or the AA/AF are turned up that they show the greatest improvements.

I think getting faster memory would help, but unless the annoyance is equal to the price of some PC3200CL2 stuff, then it's a minor issue, and running asynchronously with the FSB will work, just not as well as DDR400.

Once you post 3Dmk03 (and I would also recommend posting 3Dmk01 results) then we'll get a better idea of how well your system perfroms, and where there may be bottle necks. And yes using the Catalyst 3.6 would be a good idea, and the beta 4.7s 'may' also help. But if it is a system issue, you may be getting all you will ever get regardless of benchies.


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no dude, it just isnt right


my 8500le performed better, with a slower CPU. in UT2004 with max everything

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Your 3DMark Score is 5255 3DMarks!

Grapeape-

It's ut2004 being tested. It uses dx9b.
If it is a system issue then why;

1, Are my results so differenty to Toms, when I only have a slightly slower cpu, and slightly slower ram?
2, was my gf 4 faster?
3, Is the lowest 3d mark score on the search 4k higher than mine?

Basically my score is half what it should be and my fps is half what it should be.

Can anyone think what could possibly cause this? A bios setting? A hardware issue?
 

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Heh.. ignore my marks up til now.. I'm clearly an idiot.

I'd left 4xaa and 8xaf on. With the card at default settings I get just over 9000 points. Which is better, but still a couple thousand lower than people with similar systems.

Could that be due to my ram?

Also, the reason I had 4xaa and 8xaf on first place, was to compare my frames to the reputed benchmark Tom did of 92 fps (1280, 32bit, 4xaa, 8xaf). I get 30 though, not 92.. really is puzzling me.