xeon 2698 readings

[that1man]

http://postimg.org/image/qqk057e7v/

what would one that knows a lot about cpus take into consideration when looking at these readings and planning to build a work station for 3d,music creation, audio recording, special effects and raw video editing of 4k footage?

is there a specific reason to pay attention to things like stepping? the lower the better?

also i notice the higher the cpu core count the lower the ghz gets. should i lean more towards cores or ghz? any body know of an article that explains this really simply or care to explain in terms of what i'll be doing? i did a little googling but i guess it varies and depends on what the system is being used for

im going to be using an asrock extreme6/ac and a nvidia m4000

thanks to all who helps

 

[DonkeyOatie]

There's no way you are going to be using that motherboard, it has an LGA 1150 socket and you need a LGA 2011-3 socket for that chip and a WS-type motherboard too to use ECC memory.

A chip can handle only so much power and remain within the power and thermal specification. The more cores, the less power per core, so the slower it must go.

Higher stepping is better, it is a revision number for the lithography used for the chip. Higher numbers are more recent and therefore 'better'.

That's a nearly $3000 chip. Are you sure that you need that much?

I'm guessing that you are outside the USA. What's your budget in local money?

In simple terms, for the same generation of CPUs, the number of cores x the speed of each core is a good comparative metric of throughput.

For your chip that's 16 x 2.3 = 36.8

An i7 5960X overclocked to 4.4 Ghz will give 8 x 4.4 = 35.2 and costs about $1000, although a bit more expensive with cooling and such.

A complete i5 5960X system could cost less than a Xeon 2698 CPU.

It's not quite that simple due to difference in cache and other things.

 

[that1man]

lol im in the US. those readings are actually from an ES version? are you sure my MB is 1150??? im looking at the manual right now and it says 2011-3 socket

 

[DonkeyOatie]

This asrock extreme6/ac is an LGA 1150 motherboard. http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97%20Extreme6ac/

Do you mean the X99 version? You still, likely, need ECC.

I'd be waiting a month or two for the Broadwell-EP Xeon 2698 V4 anyway. If you need tons of cores, 20 will be even better,

 

[that1man]

yea x99.. also this es xeon is like 670 bux on ebay

Intel Xeon E5 2698B V3 ES 2.0Ghz 40MB 16Core 22nm LGA2011-3 135W Processor US

i already have crucial ddr4 ECC memory

my budget is 3000 at the most. only thing im not sure on is the processor. you think that Xeon 2698 V4 is gonna be overly expensive like usual? i dont wanna spend over a thousand on a cpu and im even trying hard to cut that in half. also not sure how many cores is enough

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound snotty. I wanted to make sure you were doing the right thing.

It's a used CPU, and a great bargain for that price, provided that you can use what it does and it works. Used prices changes the whole calculation. Broadwell-E is completely out then.

I don't know what the B designation means or why the speed is quoted at 2.0 Ghz, so perhaps they are talking about a chip other than this one. http://ark.intel.com/products/81060/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2698-v3-40M-Cache-2_30-GHz

 

[that1man]

so should i go for cores over ghz for what i'll be doing? how many cores would you go for for this type of work on a 3000 to 3500 dollar budget?

 

[DonkeyOatie]

Because of the crazy cheap price, your CPU is outside my comparison experience.

Can your software use all thouse threads? I assume it can. Does your software need ECC for reliability? If it does you need a different motherboard.


There's a member on the board BAMBIBOOM. See if you can find them an PM them, they have a lot more practical experience here than I do. You are moving from theory, which I know, to practice with large numbers of cores, which I do not. I know my limitations.

 

[bambiboom]

http://postimg.org/image/qqk057e7v/

what would one that knows a lot about cpus take into consideration when looking at these readings and planning to build a work station for 3d,music creation, audio recording, special effects and raw video editing of 4k footage?

is there a specific reason to pay attention to things like stepping? the lower the better?

also i notice the higher the cpu core count the lower the ghz gets. should i lean more towards cores or ghz? any body know of an article that explains this really simply or care to explain in terms of what i'll be doing? i did a little googling but i guess it varies and depends on what the system is being used for

im going to be using an asrock extreme6/ac and a nvidia m4000

thanks to all who helps

that1man,

All your choices are extremely high performance. To choose the CPU though, I need a list of all the uses, software and the sound interfaces. The software list is important to see if you're using fully- multi-threaded applications for effects processing. If you're running Protools or Sonar Producer, Premiere, you go for as many cores as you can. If it's not fully threaded, then it's clock speed.

The Quadro M4000 is an amazingly good workstation card, if you're going to be doing 4K video effects and editing- excellent choice.

With a single CPU system you can run a 750W PSU. I use an HP 6-core 130W Xeon E5 and that system is rated to run 2X 150W GPUs plus three drive bays, all on a 500W PSU. An M4000 is 120W.

Here's a slightly unconventional approach that takes advantage of used E5's. It wouldn't have the advantage of native M.2 but a Samsung 850 EVO is no slouch either.

This is based on a Supermicro Superworkstation that provides a case, 900W PSU, dual Xeon LGA2011 motherboard that supports E5-2600 v1 and v2 CPU/s, and a pair of CPU coolers. The components are server quality- designed to run continuously at full load. These are rated to be very quiet.

The nice feature is that so many choices have been made and integrated. You only have to plug in the CPU's, RAM, GPU drives so after loading the OS and Programs in a few hours you're at work. This saves ordering, assembling, and general configuration- there's no wiring.

BambiBoom Pixel Cannon Waveformarificrendereditgraphilicious iWork TurboSignature Extreme AudioVideBlast 9900 ®©$$™®£™©™_2.2.15

Case /Motherboard /Power supply: Supermicro SuperWorkstation SYS-7037A-I Dual Socket LGA2011 Xeon 900W Mid-Tower Workstation Barebone System (Black) > $721

http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/7038/SY...
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-7038AI

CPU: 2X Intel Xeon E5-2680 Eight-Core Haswell Processor 2.7 /3.6GHz, 20MB LGA 2011 CPU, 130W > used about $400 ($200 each)

http://ark.intel.com/products/64583/Intel-Xeon-Processo...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SR0KH-Xeon-E5-2680-2-7GHz...

Memory: 32GB (4x 8GB) Crucial 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Memory Model CT102472BA186D > $320 ($60ea.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=12K-00W...

GPU: PNY Quadro M4000 VCQM4000-PB 8GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Full Height Workstation Video Card > $859.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G...

RAID Controller : Future:

Disk 1: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-75E500B/AM> $158.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2W0...

Disks 2, 3: 2X WD Black 2TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD2003FZEX> $258 ($128ea) (Files, Backup, System Image)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical Disk: SAMSUNG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-224DB/BEBE - OEM > $18

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit English (1-Pack), OEM > $139.

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MSFQC08289
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TOTAL = $2873

Add a Firewire card for an external interface.

By using used CPU's the price is quite reasonable, in consideration of the result: 16 cores / 32 threads at 2.7 / 3.5GHz. will make work of effects processing,video editing, rendering and the 3.5 speed would work even for good for 3D modeling and graphic design. Plus- a savings of $16,000 against a new dual 8-core E5 system,... The RAM is 1866 since the chipset allows the CPU to be an E5-v2 that supports it. In the future, add +32GB RAM, a fast RAID controller and a RAID 1, PCIE SSD, and when Xeon E5-2687w v2's are $800 each you can have the 16 cores / 32 threads @ 3.4 /4.0 GHz. Cost / Performance / Optimization / Expandable. Not beautiful not the latest technology and not compact, but capable of any task or can be made so.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) > 32GB DDR3 1866 ECC RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > 2X Xeon X5680 (6 -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 48GB DDR3 1333 ECC Reg. > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (27", 1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3500 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)

 

[DonkeyOatie]

See, I told you so. Thanks BambiBoom. Every time you post I learn a little more.

 

[that1man]

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound snotty. I wanted to make sure you were doing the right thing.

It's a used CPU, and a great bargain for that price, provided that you can use what it does and it works. Used prices changes the whole calculation. Broadwell-E is completely out then.

I don't know what the B designation means or why the speed is quoted at 2.0 Ghz, so perhaps they are talking about a chip other than this one. http://ark.intel.com/products/81060/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2698-v3-40M-Cache-2_30-GHz

i dont remember seeing this post or getting notified. i didn't take you for being snotty at all.. no worries

yea i usually compare the ones on ebay to the same on amazon or lintels site and sometimes the numbers are different, dont know why.. unless they are oem or ES versions

 

[that1man]

bambiboom,

Wow great response, thanks!

Ok so I'll try to break down how I will use the system...

I mostly(as of now) make music using Fl Studio and third-party plugins such as PLAY, Kontakt--Kontakt based libraries, Spectrasonics, Maschine etc. I also use or plan to use reaper and or ProTools for sound design and audio editing. my current audio interface is a Focusrite Saffire 24

I purchased avid media composer but always got errors so I've been using premier instead and might stick with it. I will use DaVinci Resolve 12 for cc,

I will use after effect, cinema 4d along with others like realflow 2015 and Houdini. will also use Photoshop and lightroom. I'm pretty sure there will be other software put these are the ones I want to be able to take advantage of whatever CPU I end up getting. the main thing I want to be able to tackle is the rendering and playing 4k footage in real time

gonna be transferring files captured with a DJI inspire, and a Blackmagic micro 4k raw or Sony Alpha A7S II. hope this is enough info to help you help me decide on a CPU. how do you feel about cheap ES processors?

I already purchased most of what I listed as far as components (case, MB, ram, SSD, CPU cooler). do you think I should reconsider?

thanks for your response

 

[that1man]

bump?

 

[bambiboom]

that1man,

Sorry, sorry, I never saw notification of your post of Feb 2.

It's a complicated business decision to shift gears after buying components, but the range of your uses and the inclusion of multi-threaded applications like Premiere and Pro Tools DAW mean that a dual LGA2011-3 system has a more future-looking versatility and expandability. Looking at the specification lists of Xeon E5-v3, as the number of cores increases, the clock speeds decreases so there is a break point at which it's better to buy two faster obsolete 8-cores than a single 16-core. A pair of Xeon E5-2680 on Passmark scores 18798 and yes, the 16-core E5-2698 v3 scores 20309, but it costs $3.645.

Also, I think the Supermicro Superworkstation is so much easier to complete by plugging in the CPU's, RAM, GPU, and Drives would save a lot trouble and distraction, plus the motherboard is from the foremost designer of workstation motherboards, there 's a big server-grade PSU, and the system rated to be very quiet.

Again, it's complicated and a business decision I've though about this type of system quite bit, and his will be the direction of my next workstation. When Xeon E5-2687w v2 CPUs are selling for $1,000 that's it- my last workstation!

Cheers,

BambiBoom

 

[DonkeyOatie]

He's getting that Xeon for $670 though so that must change the calculation.