XFLop Next GPU already obsolete

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XFLop Next will use ATI R500. ATI is shipping R520 for PCs in May. By
the end of this year, PCs will be getting the next version beyond R520
while the XFLop Next starts showing up a stripped down ATI R500. LMAO.

Posted: 09/30/04

According to news site digitimes, market sources say ATI Technologies
is expected to roll out a new GPU codenamed R500 for the Xbox Next in
the first quarter of next year.
Built using a 90nm process at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing
Company (TSMC), R500 purportedly will have performance similar to the
R520, ATI's next-generation graphics chip for computers. The graphics
card company will receive royalties from Microsoft based on the number
of chips produced.

ATI's R520 to arrive in May
Tuesday 25 January 2005

ATI plans to introduce its brand new R520 technology exactly a year
after it announced its R420. Despite the news that ATI might even be
ready with R520 for CeBIT, it seems that the company wants to hold its
breath and try to release the silicon in May.
We already said that the R520 taped out and our sources confirm that
the chip is in good shape, but then again it's still the first working
silicon that it got out of the fab. It takes at least six weeks to get
the next revision of silicon. This means that ATI is still on track and
will possibly make one more revision before it goes to final
production.
Our biggest concern about R520 is its manufacturing process. ATI will
build it using a 90 nanometre process and this might be tricky.
Shifting to a smaller process is always problematical, not automatical.
Remember Nvidia's adventure with the NV30 where it ended up with ill
starred consequences and subsequent unavailability? ATI is very
optimistic over its decision, however. ATI likes to be more
conservative and doesn't like to risk it for a frisket. Just look at
its X800 110 nanometre chips, for example.
We know we can expect more than 16 pipelines but ATI still likes to
call these 16, "extreme" pipelines. ATI used to say that the R420 had
eight extreme pipelines and that resulted in 16 in the X800XT and the
world renowned X800XT PE. This time I would expect up to 24 pipes.
Its PS 3.0 part with full 32 floating point precision will definitely
give Nvidia a run for its money. Still, we still haven't seen which
playing cards Nvidia is holding. Has it an Ace or a Joker up its sleeve?

 

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"Blig Merk" <blig_murk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106666937.837745.320180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> XFLop Next will use ATI R500. ATI is shipping R520 for PCs in May. By
> the end of this year, PCs will be getting the next version beyond R520
> while the XFLop Next starts showing up a stripped down ATI R500. LMAO.
>


For a system that, for most users, is going to be hooked up to a regular
480i television, how much graphics and processing power is needed for a
console system? Xbox 2 will have CPU and graphics capabilities that will be
leaps and bounds beyond the original Xbox. This continued obsession by
people over whose next generation console will be the most powerful is anal.
Even if you are going to be hooking Xbox 2 into something better than a
normal TV, I'm sure the hardware will be powerful enough to more than please
users. Remember too, that more powerful hardware means higher operating
temperatures. All I want is a fun gaming console, not something that
emphasizes graphics over gameplay.

Also, I wouldn't consider a stripped down version of the R500 to exactly be
"obsolete". My PC is running a 16-month-old Radeon 9800 Pro, and it still
runs all of the games out there more than satisfactorily. Hardly an
obsolete piece of technology.

 

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Blig Merk wrote:

> XFLop Next

Meet Bligmerk, still the only remaining person on earth who thinks an XFL
reference is somehow clever. Make that the only person on earth who even
remembers what the XFL is.

> will use ATI R500. ATI is shipping R520 for PCs in May. By
> the end of this year, PCs will be getting the next version beyond R520

A card which will cost more than an entire Xbox 2.

> while the XFLop Next starts showing up a stripped down ATI R500. LMAO.

God. Still another year of Xbox 2 pre-release panic trolling, to be followed
by a year of "XFLop 2 has no games!!!!11" panic trolling, to be followed by
a year of "PS3 has teh GTA4zorz!!!111" panic trolling, to be followed by a
few years of "PEECEE games looik better than teh XFLOPZORZBOXORZ 2!!!!111"
panic trolling, and then the cycle will begin again anew for Xbox 3.

Out of curiosity, Bilgewank, how old will you be when you finally mature
enough to get over your obsessive hatred for a video game console? I suppose
since you're already a 40-year-old unemployed brain-injured virgin living in
your mom's trailer there's little chance another few years are going to make
any difference.

I don't even need to point out that by the time the PS3 comes out, its
Nvidia GPU will likely also be available for PCs, do I? Or that the Geforce
3 was available for PCs before the Xbox came out? Or that a console with GPU
X will generally outperform a PC with an identical GPU from a graphical
standpoint, since developers are coding for one locked-in hardware spec? Or
that PCs *always* outstrip consoles technologically no more than six months
to a year after the console's release?

Consoles are not PCs. But then that's just one of many things you are
woefully unable to grasp. Luckily your own stunted member does not number
among them, or you'd never get any sort of sexual release whatsoever.

-Z-

 

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NightSky 421 wrote:
<snip>
> Also, I wouldn't consider a stripped down version of the R500 to
> exactly be "obsolete". My PC is running a 16-month-old Radeon 9800
> Pro, and it still runs all of the games out there more than
> satisfactorily. Hardly an obsolete piece of technology.

No, it's not going to be obsolete, but it will be the weakest of the 3
new consoles.

Nintendo is going to use a similar, but more powerful chip (also from
ATI, but will presumably ship at least a year later). And the PS3
surely won't be weaker than it, either.

The Xbox owes most of its success to being far more powerful than the
other consoles. Now it's going to be the least. Which doesn't bode
well for it or for gamers. Especially since multi-platform games tend
to be made with the least powerful console in mind. Not that games
will be ugly, just that they won't be a nice looking as they could be.

 

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In article <1106666937.837745.320180@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
blig_murk@yahoo.com says...
>
>XFLop Next will use ATI R500. ATI is shipping R520 for PCs in May. By
>the end of this year, PCs will be getting the next version beyond R520
>while the XFLop Next starts showing up a stripped down ATI R500. LMAO.
>
>Posted: 09/30/04
>
>According to news site digitimes, market sources say ATI Technologies
>is expected to roll out a new GPU codenamed R500 for the Xbox Next in
>the first quarter of next year.
>Built using a 90nm process at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing
>Company (TSMC), R500 purportedly will have performance similar to the
>R520, ATI's next-generation graphics chip for computers. The graphics
>card company will receive royalties from Microsoft based on the number
>of chips produced.
>
>ATI's R520 to arrive in May
>Tuesday 25 January 2005
>
>ATI plans to introduce its brand new R520 technology exactly a year
>after it announced its R420. Despite the news that ATI might even be
>ready with R520 for CeBIT, it seems that the company wants to hold its
>breath and try to release the silicon in May.
>We already said that the R520 taped out and our sources confirm that
>the chip is in good shape, but then again it's still the first working
>silicon that it got out of the fab. It takes at least six weeks to get
>the next revision of silicon. This means that ATI is still on track and
>will possibly make one more revision before it goes to final
>production.
>Our biggest concern about R520 is its manufacturing process. ATI will
>build it using a 90 nanometre process and this might be tricky.
>Shifting to a smaller process is always problematical, not automatical.
>Remember Nvidia's adventure with the NV30 where it ended up with ill
>starred consequences and subsequent unavailability? ATI is very
>optimistic over its decision, however. ATI likes to be more
>conservative and doesn't like to risk it for a frisket. Just look at
>its X800 110 nanometre chips, for example.
>We know we can expect more than 16 pipelines but ATI still likes to
>call these 16, "extreme" pipelines. ATI used to say that the R420 had
>eight extreme pipelines and that resulted in 16 in the X800XT and the
>world renowned X800XT PE. This time I would expect up to 24 pipes.
>Its PS 3.0 part with full 32 floating point precision will definitely
>give Nvidia a run for its money. Still, we still haven't seen which
>playing cards Nvidia is holding. Has it an Ace or a Joker up its sleeve?
>


Damn Bliggy. Your actually starting to get boring. Isn't this what always
happens with consoles versus PC's? Consoles will always be eclipsed by newer
and better videocards for the PC because they come out every year. You want to
start buying a new console every year?

 

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On 1/25/2005 3:27 PM, Jeremy Reaban spake thusly:

> The Xbox owes most of its success to being far more powerful than the
> other consoles.

I'd say it owed its initial success to that. But now it's an established
player with established franchises and a ton of developer support -- way,
WAY more than Nintendo. The Xbox 2 doesn't need to blow away the PS3
graphically to compete, it just needs to more or less keep up.

> Which doesn't bode
> well for it or for gamers.

The PS3 should be the most powerful by virtue of the fact it'll be the last
one to market, but that also gives the Xbox 2 a year or so to build up a
user base, which is what helped the PS2 get such a headstart in this
generation. Although it didn't help the Dreamcast vs. PS2 one bit.

And Nintendo, well, god bless 'em but they seem determined to remove
themselves from the running completely with some kind of whack-ass
reinvention and simplification of console gaming. But again, we know next to
nothing about the Revolution at this point.

E3 2005 is going to be first time all three consoles strut their stuff,
unless Sony decides to hold off until E3 2006 for the PS3. Which they might
so as to have all the attention focused on them alone.

> Especially since multi-platform games tend
> to be made with the least powerful console in mind.

So the Xbox 2 will be the default platform with the PS3 getting crippled
ports instead of the other way around? Sweet revenge! But I think the
ATI and Nvidia GPUs will be close enough in performance that the differences
between Xbox 2 and PS3 visuals won't be as noticable as some people think.

-Z-

 

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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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> Blig Merk wrote:
>
>> XFLop Next
>
> Meet Bligmerk, still the only remaining person on earth who thinks an XFL
> reference is somehow clever. Make that the only person on earth who even
> remembers what the XFL is.
>
You know whats even worse? I don't have the link, but I went to google
groups and read messages from the Xbox launch, Bliggie wasn't even the first
to call the Xbox the XFlop.

 

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"Jeremy Reaban" <jer@connectria.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> The Xbox owes most of its success to being far more powerful than the
> other consoles.

If by saying "being far more powerful than the other consoles" you mean
"Halo," I completely agree.

 

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:52:55 -0700, Zackman <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net>
wrote:
>On 1/25/2005 3:27 PM, Jeremy Reaban spake thusly:
>> Which doesn't bode
>> well for it or for gamers.
>
>The PS3 should be the most powerful by virtue of the fact it'll be the last
>one to market, but that also gives the Xbox 2 a year or so to build up a
>user base, which is what helped the PS2 get such a headstart in this
>generation. Although it didn't help the Dreamcast vs. PS2 one bit.

IIRC, Sega of America kept asking their Japanese offices for more money
for advertising, which more often than not was denied. The Dreamcast didn't do
as well in Japan as it did in the US (or Europe, for that matter) either. With
Sony hyping the PS2 at every opportunity (does "75 million polygons at a time"
sound familiar?), and stating that it would be as far above the Dreamcast as the
Dreamcast was above the first Playstation, it's not surprising that Sega of
America wanted and needed more advertising and promotion to counter that. I
doubt that Microsoft will make the same mistake, as they'll likely throw
whatever money they need to to counter their competitors' hype.

>E3 2005 is going to be first time all three consoles strut their stuff,
>unless Sony decides to hold off until E3 2006 for the PS3. Which they might
>so as to have all the attention focused on them alone.

I believe that Sony announced that they'd have videos showing off what
the PS3 was capable of at the next E3, in an announcement which followed
Microsoft's (of using the next E3 to publically unveil the XBox 2) by days.
Considering what the first videos of the PS2 were like, such as Square's CGI
which falsely promised comparable in-game graphics, I doubt that the PS3 videos
will be any more accurate of Sony's future hardware. Please note that I'm not
bashing Sony's hardware here, just their honesty, or lack of it.

--
I've gone to look for myself. If I should get back before I return, keep me here!

 

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I think it's hilarious that he complains about the Xbox 2 being one
graphics card release away from the latest and greatest while his
favorite console is using graphics technology from, what? 1998? 1999?
- Jordan

 

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"Meet Bligmerk, still the only remaining person on earth who thinks an
XFL
reference is somehow clever. Make that the only person on earth who
even
remembers what the XFL is."

That's only because I reminded him last week... Damn! What was I
thinking! :^)

- Jordan