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Thanks Barb.
Next plan is to check it with a different manufacturer's USB adapter instead
of the Netgear.
I have my doubts about Netgear in general (bad experience with a DG834G
router, now replaced by a Draytek)
Mike
"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> If you have the latest Netgear drivers and are having this problem,
> I'm afraid I have to send you to Netgear support. If it isn't WHQL'd,
> as you say, ask them for WHQL's drivers.
>
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:13:04 +0100, "Mike Ball"
> <m.j.ball@xtrainame.xtracom> wrote:
>
>>Absolutely.
>>
>>It is unchecked.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:rue4j0d0jm3qv0bm1blhdehf7cr1k09nus@4ax.com...
>>> Have you unchecked 802.1x authentication?
>>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:10:29 +0100, "Mike Ball"
>>> <m.j.ball@xtrainame.xtracom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Barb,
>>>>
>>>>I did try the new networking wizard already, tried entering the key
>>>>using
>>>>it - same thing, no connection.
>>>>
>>>>I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than contact Netgear tech support
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>"Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:8nf3j0dikcj21pegskdbk08gh042botd5j@4ax.com...
>>>>> In addition to the other replies, you might want to check out the new
>>>>> wireless network wizard in XP SP2 and see the differences in entering
>>>>> a WEP key or WPA passphrase. As for Netgear and signed drivers, you
>>>>> should speak with Netgear's tech support.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:03:43 +0100, "Mike Ball"
>>>>> <m.j.ball@xtrainame.xtracom> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well hiding the true length of the key from the person who has just
>>>>>>entered
>>>>>>it seems pretty pointless to me and just makes problem determination
>>>>>>more
>>>>>>uncertain - which given the variable nature of wireless connections is
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>last thing one wants. None of the APs, routers or adapter utilities
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>used so far hide the length of the key - only the digits themselves.
>>>>>>Then
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>least you're pretty sure it's using what you've just typed in. And
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>seen nothing in the help, nor found any article on the Windows support
>>>>>>site
>>>>>>so far which states that this is what it does, which just causes
>>>>>>uncertainty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Take all your points about entering the key, and they've been well
>>>>>>communicated in the past - I only ever type my key in (26 hex digits)
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>copy and paste from Notepad. Windows is not helping diagnose the
>>>>>>problem
>>>>>>by
>>>>>>'hiding' things from me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The AP is broadcasting the SSID.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm beginning to suspect that maybe the Netgear WG121 driver may not
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>fully compatible with WZC (whatever SP). After all, it's one of many
>>>>>>drivers for which at installation you get a message saying that it
>>>>>>hasn't
>>>>>>gone through the Windows Logo scheme but continue anyway. Does make
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>wonder how extensively its been tested with the several patches that
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>been produced for XP Wireless over the last year or so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Yves Konigshofer" <ykoniREMOVEgshofer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:uZW252UjEHA.2524@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> As far as I know, the amount of "blobs" is not indicative of the WEP
>>>>>>> key
>>>>>>> length and is used to hide the true length.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not used WEP for a while and not under SP2. Under SP1, there
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> this problem with pasting WEP keys using formatted text (e.g. text
>>>>>>> copied
>>>>>>> out of programs like Word) while unformatted text (e.g. text copied
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Notepad) would work fine. Thus, the solution was to either type in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> key by hand or to copy and paste the key from Notepad. Keep in mind
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> when entering non-hex keys, case does matter. Also, some routers
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> passphrases to generate a WEP key. Unlike WPA-PSK, there is no
>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>> for generating a WEP key from a passphrase and this approach does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> with WZC. If you use WEP, you need to enter the final key into WZC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, WZC usually does not work if you are both using encryption
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> are not broadcasting the access point's SSID.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Yves
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike Ball" <m.j.ball@xtrainame.xtracom> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4130f40d$0$20246$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>>>>>>>> Barb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've seeen this data posted by your good self on various replies.
>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>> you explain why whatever one enters in the key field with WinXP SP1
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> SP2, whether 5, 10,13 or 26 characters, when you go back and check
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> afterwards WIndows just shows 8 'blobs'. So.,.....is it actually
>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>> notice of what you're entering, is it corrupting it or.....?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask because I am using a Netgear WG121 USB adapter on my XP SP2
>>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>>> talking to a Draytek Vigor 2600G ADSL router. I use WEP 128 bit
>>>>>>>> encryption. When I use the Netgear smart Wizard utility, everything
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> fine. (and it's quite obvious what format to enter the key in with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Netgear utility). However, when I prevent the Netgear utility
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> starting up (by removing it from my startup group), and I configure
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 128 bit WEP key using WZC instead, it never connects to the router.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> fact, WIndows tells me it doesnt even SEE the network. I've tried
>>>>>>>> entering my 26 hex digits many times - every time it doesn't
>>>>>>>> connect,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I can only see 8 blobs when I look at the properties for the
>>>>>>>> connection.
>>>>>>>> Start up the Netgear utility again and all connects fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My conclusion - the WIndows support is not driving the network
>>>>>>>> adapter
>>>>>>>> properly and/or not using the key I'm entering.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why is the WIndows key support so awkward? Are there any known
>>>>>>>> bugs
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the WEP key support - even with SP2 applied? I had hoped that with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> changes to wireless support in SP2 that I'd be able to use WZC
>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the Netgear utility, but no....BTW, I;m using the very latest
>>>>>>>> Netgear
>>>>>>>> WG121 drivers and utility (V2.0 from their web site).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rgds,
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Barb Bowman [MVP-Windows]" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:2ffji01pfnpqjtc84kmghhp8vqs6g3h2im@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> 40 is the same as 64
>>>>>>>>> 104 is the same as 128
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (add 24 to 40 or 104)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 ASCII Character=8 Bits
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 HEX Character=4 Bits
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 40 or 64 bit ASCII WEP code has 5 characters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 40 or 64 bit HEX WEP code has 10 characters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 104 or 128 bit ASCII WEP code has 13 characters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 104 or 128 bit HEX WEP code has 26 characters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:21:01 -0700, "scott b"
>>>>>>>>> <scottb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have a laptop with XP and a Linksys WPC11 ver 3 card. I can
>>>>>>>>>>connect
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>no problem when I have the WEP disabled (using windows to
>>>>>>>>>>configure
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>wireless network settings versus the linksys configuration
>>>>>>>>>>utility),
>>>>>>>>>>however,
>>>>>>>>>>I am having an icompatibility issue with the encryption level.
>>>>>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>offering me a choice of 40 bits or 104 bits for my WEP setting
>>>>>>>>>>instead
>>>>>>>>>>of 64
>>>>>>>>>>bits or 128 bits. Here is the error message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The network password needs to be 40bits or 104bits depending on
>>>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>>>network
>>>>>>>>>>configuragtion. This can be entered as 5 or 13 ascii characters
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>10
>>>>>>>>>>or 26
>>>>>>>>>>hexadeciamal characters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I am admittedly new to XP, I have not had these issues with Win
>>>>>>>>>>2k.
>>>>>>>>>>How
>>>>>>>>>>do
>>>>>>>>>>I get XP to offer the 128bits (or 64bits for that matter) that my
>>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>>NIC offers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thank you in advance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Barb Bowman
>>>>>>>>> Expert Zone Columnist
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Barb Bowman
>>>>> Expert Zone Columnist
>>>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>>>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> Expert Zone Columnist
>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
>>> MS-MVP (Windows)
>>
>
> --
> Barb Bowman
> Expert Zone Columnist
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> MS-MVP (Windows)
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