You Intel Followers are the most Stupid People

Guest · Apr 30, 2001

I am sick and tired of the Praise from the P4 from the Intel guys on here.

You say oh.. the P4 1.7 is really good and is good against the AMD 1.2 and 1.3

MY GOD u people

How DUMB are u?

HOW STUPID?? *!*

Its 400MHz slower and on par with AMD?

HAHAHHA
MY GOD that is SAD

FOUR HUNDRED MHz LOWER to be on PAR with a 400MHz SLOWER MHz clocked CHIP

MY GOD!

HAHAHHAHAHAH

think about it!
400MHz to be on PAR

Kinda reminds me of how poor Cyrix was for Gaming, if it says Intel or compatable 400needed, you needed like a 600-700 MHz to run it
hahahhahaa

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Guest · Apr 30, 2001

This isnt even a CLOCK for CLOCK comparison anymore

its Intel has a 400MHz lead and AMD is still holding is ground

BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

--call it what you wish, with this machine I can make mercury flow in 3 directions at once--

Guest · Apr 30, 2001

400 MHz lead and on par 

can you say HAHAHAHHA ? 

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TheAntipop · Apr 30, 2001

1) I like AMD. In fact of the 3 systems I own, two (2) have K6-2s, and the other has an Athlon.
2) You give AMD a bad name with posts like this. Please realize that you do not represent AMD and that you sound just as stupid as the people you are criticizing.
3) Quit trying to raise your post count by making one post three separate posts. Its really pathetic and truly annoying.

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Crashman · Apr 30, 2001

I here a Mac will beet the Athlon 1.33 with only 700MHz, now THERE's you laugh. It is getting to the point where clock speed is not an important factor in comparison, because the architechtures are so different. If AMD can't come up with a 1.7GHz chip to blow the P4 away, then all you can do is compare fastest to fastest.

Cast not thine pearls before the swine

Guest · Apr 30, 2001

I want to stress the point of p4 optimizeation guys. 70% with photoshop hate to say it but if we look forward to similar increases in performance due to this optimizeation ill be a betting man that youll be singing a different tune. Oh Tbird i thought i told you each chip has its plus and minus sure the SPARC is a grest chip but i wouldnt play games on it, get my point???

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Guest · Apr 30, 2001

yea i do

but were comparing PERSONAL COMPUTERS HERE

IBM COMPATABLES PEOPLE..
Not MACS

And besides
we always compare x86 compatable cpu's
thus Intel/AMD

400MHz gain to be on par is a joke

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Raystonn · Apr 30, 2001

You obviously don't know much about computer architecture. For a CPU, Performance = (clock speed) x (average instructions per clock). Clock speed alone is completely irrelevant in comparisons with other processors.

-Raystonn

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Guest · Apr 30, 2001

just because you used it twice so it didn't look like an accident, optimization not optimizeation.

and i hope most ppl do realize that tbird represents his own little immature group of people with amd chips that do not represent at all the majority of the amd community nor amd itself, heh. i like my athlon 900 right now because it was really cheap for the performance and i haven't had any problems with fragility, overheating, etc. i think we should just discuss the facts openly and everyone can come to their own conclusion on what chip is best for them and people shouldn't be discriminated for their choice. posts like tbird's are just good for the occasional laugh,

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Guest · Apr 30, 2001

i make u guys laugh?

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BuGaLoU · Apr 30, 2001

tbird, you are a moron and are just as silly as the over zealous Intel folks. Get a life and quit pimpin AMD like it is your hoe.. lol..

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camieabz · May 1, 2001

That old chestnut!


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Guest · May 1, 2001

Ahahaha Tbird's a pimp and im a prick ahahaha.

SPUDMUFFIN

Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It. :lol:

Guest · May 1, 2001

tbirdinside your just as retarted as that other dipshit amdmeltdown.. Are you two brothers?

Guest · May 1, 2001

Hehehe tbird is retarded and amdmeltdown is a dipshit and im a prick hehehe.

SPUDMUFFIN

Being Evil Is Good. Cause I Can Be A Prick And Get Away With It. :lol:

TheAntipop · May 1, 2001

and you cant spell retarded.

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327goat · May 1, 2001

anyone who tries to push the "mac is faster even at lower clock speeds" is full of it. I've used both enough to know. A 400 MHz I-Mac, with 256 ram could not even come close to keeping up with my old origional Pentium 166, with a shamely 64mb. The mac starts to slow down beyond usability with no more than four windows of IE open. Photoshop is a big thing mac users like to reap to all it's glory. Personally, i've used equivalent MHz mac's and pc's for photoshop, doing the same type of work, Mac doesn't even come close to being on the same level.

Guest · May 1, 2001

I don't like those flame wars but Tbirdinside:

EVERY FOLLOWER (WHETHER IT IS Intel OR AMD) is _STUPID_!

Just go out there and buy what is best for you (OK I admit for the moment 1.33GHz TBird is best deal for me but who knows may be Northwood will be next best deal). And please lets stop those stupid AMD vs Intel flames - both their processors are good (one for one thing, other for something else). And Tbirdinside - as some people noted here you behave exactly as stupid as AmdMeltdown. Do you want to be compared to him (I'd rather not but still its your choice)?
Regards,
menads

funkdog · May 1, 2001

I see your point about no longer being able to compare clock speed, but isn't that really what a P4 advocate is doing? Truly the performance difference between a P4 1.7ghz and my overclocked ghz athlon at 1350 is negligable and can hardly be seen with the naked eye. Now granted that any software written specifically for SSE2 is going to shine on a p4, but isn't that the point of writing optimized applications? When running day to day basic programs, i.e. internet explorer (insert your browser of choice, for I don't want to start a flaming browser war) or a game like Quake III, the Athlon at a lower clock speed definately compares favorably.

Now take the clock for clock race that has been going on since the introduction of the Athlon, what then are we to use as the drag strip? Of course p4 advocates will say memory latency or bandwidth correct? Since everyone know that a P4 was made specifically to combat this bottleneck.

As long as there are AMD supporters or diehards, as well as Intel diehards there will never be fair and unbiased comparisons.

At least that's my two cents. Maybe we should devise some sort of price/performance formula. For me, money talks and bs walks and right now AMD is in the sweet spot of people not wanting to fork over some cash for a $10 computer chip.

Guest · May 1, 2001

thank you

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funkdog · May 1, 2001

correct me if I'm wrong because I wasn't very good at math in school. You said that cpu performance = speed (mhz) x instructions per clock? So we'll call that P=SxI ok? Let me know if I lose you. So we have the equation sort of, you have to let me know what kind of instructions you are talking about. You see it varies.

Athlon can do 3 x86 instructions per clock
PIII (for sake of comparison) can do 3 x86 only if 2 are simple instructions.

Athlon can do 9 internal executions to it's execution units
PIII can do 5

Athlon can do both an add and multiplyed FPU instruction per
PIII can do either a multiplyed every other or 1/2 or an add per.

So what is it going to be? What kind of instructions can we use, then we can plug in the numbers for any processor available. Does this sound like a feisable equation for your theory of CPU performance?

Raystonn · May 2, 2001

An instruction is just that, an instruction. Any example of an x86 instruction would be "mov ax, 03h". It is basically one processor opcode. All applications are made of instructions. Executing instructions more quickly means you have better performance running applications.

Now then, not all instructions take the same amount of time to execute. Thus, the number of clock cycles differs per instruction. This is why we must analyze the "average" instructions per clock. Of course this average will change depending on what application you are running. Different applications use more and less of different instructions. But we can just take the average of all applications.

-Raystonn

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Raystonn · May 2, 2001

"any software written specifically for SSE2 is going to shine on a p4"

Drivers will be released soon that use all of these optimizations, improving the performance of all applications that use these drivers. For example, new drivers from NVidia have recently been released that give an improvement of between 30% and 90% in all applications that use graphics. Link --> http://www.all-about-pc.de/english/news/news_1.asp?m04j2001#Nvidia 12.0 divers kick ass!

"a game like Quake III, the Athlon at a lower clock speed definately compares favorably"

Perhaps you haven't seen the Quake3 benchmarks. The P4 definately pulls _way_ ahead of the Athlon in this game.

-Raystonn

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ejsmith2 · May 2, 2001

What all research and development (R&D) is ntel in right now? I know you guys basically designed the AGP port, and came up with DMA. What else, as specific as you can be without releasing confidential/secret/top-secret information, is ntel working on for standards? SSE2 is one, and the RDRAM issue is another. How about AGP 8x, or an optical computer? Magnetic Ram?

Raystonn · May 2, 2001

Intel Labs Research and Development:
http://www.intel.com/labs/index.htm?iid=intelhome+roll_labs&

-Raystonn

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