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I thought Morrowind was the only beautiful and immersive 3D gaming
world out there with large expansive outdoor enviroments, but I
recently played Gothic 1 and Operation Flashpoint: Cold War and was
pretty impressed with what was presented. The sunrise lighting in
OPF:CW's 4th/5th scenario was very well done I thought.

I would have *loved* to see this enviroment used in a FPS RPG of some
sort. Although I imagine recent efforts to create immersive
enviroments are even better. (Wouldn't know...my system can't handle
them.)

What are your favorites?
 
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At the time Ultima Underworld just blew me away. But most recently I
would co-sign on Morrowind. The thing that spoiled the immersion in
Morrowind is that even with the day/night time cycles the NPC either
stayed in one spot or walked the same paths. Gothic 1/2 corrected this
but the graphics pale in comparison. Dungeon Lords is the most recent
RPG out, so I'll have to see, but from the screen shots it looks subpar
to Morrowind.

As far as most recently, I'm still blown away by Far Cry with the
"Cold" render filter. Half-Life 2 and Doom III were nice as well, but
HL seems flat to me for some reason and Doom III is a little too unreal
or cartoony. But that's the problem with futuristic games, most of the
stuff supposedly hasn't been invented yet.
 
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I think Myst/Riven/Uru were my top picks.

Half life 2 still blows me away. Never played Morrowind :-(.
 
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I'd say the most best world I've ever encountered is in Planescape
-Torment, but Morrowind, Gothic 2, Tomb Raider and Operation Flashpoint
were also immersive.
I've gone "sightseeing" in all of them.

Right now I'm playing Guild Wars, and have to say that the world is
absolutely gorgeous, doubtless it's the prettiest world I've ever seen,
and although there aren't that many npc's, they are extremely well
animated. So far (I'm one day and 7 levels into the game) the Guild
Wars world has been the virtual tourists dream.
 
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Blabbus Blabbibicus wrote:
> I thought Morrowind was the only beautiful and immersive 3D gaming
> world out there with large expansive outdoor enviroments, but I
> recently played Gothic 1 and Operation Flashpoint: Cold War and was
> pretty impressed with what was presented. The sunrise lighting in
> OPF:CW's 4th/5th scenario was very well done I thought.
>
> I would have *loved* to see this enviroment used in a FPS RPG of some
> sort. Although I imagine recent efforts to create immersive
> enviroments are even better. (Wouldn't know...my system can't handle
> them.)
>
> What are your favorites?

It'd be hard to pick among EQ2, WoW and CoH. All are very impressive, but
in somewhat different ways. Morrowind just never did that much for me on
any level, despite its graphics.

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<mike_noren2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'd say the most best world I've ever encountered is in Planescape
> -Torment, but Morrowind, Gothic 2, Tomb Raider and Operation Flashpoint
> were also immersive.
> I've gone "sightseeing" in all of them.
>
> Right now I'm playing Guild Wars, and have to say that the world is
> absolutely gorgeous, doubtless it's the prettiest world I've ever seen,
> and although there aren't that many npc's, they are extremely well
> animated. So far (I'm one day and 7 levels into the game) the Guild
> Wars world has been the virtual tourists dream.
>

The trouble with GW is that the terrain is all on rails. I've spent at least
half the time trying to find how to get from one spot to another 10 feet
away because a little 3 foot slope is in the way that I'm not allowed to
cross. Ruins it for me. Its like Dungeon Seige in that regard.
 
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> The trouble with GW is that the terrain is all on rails. I've spent
> at least half the time trying to find how to get from one spot to
> another 10 feet away because a little 3 foot slope is in the way that
> I'm not allowed to cross. Ruins it for me. Its like Dungeon Seige in
> that regard.

Hmm, so they left the glass walls in then. I thought that might have just
been because since that was the first "event" I participated in, it was
maybe because the terrain wasn't completely finished. Looks like those
glass canyons were indeed a "feature".

--
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"Roger Christie" <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> once tried to
test me with:

> The trouble with GW is that the terrain is all on rails. I've spent at
> least half the time trying to find how to get from one spot to another
> 10 feet away because a little 3 foot slope is in the way that I'm not
> allowed to cross. Ruins it for me. Its like Dungeon Seige in that
> regard.

Yep, that is the immersion breaker for me, essentially it's a 2D world, you
can never jump or in any way go vertical except on the preset paths.

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Blabbus Blabbibicus <blabbus@talk.com> once tried to test me with:

> What are your favorites?

Far Cry is extremely cool graphically. Physics are also good. Very
immersive. Half-Life 2 is also very well done, and the physics are
astounding in it. I wasn't that thrilled with Doom 3, maybe if someone does
something other than a corridor shooter with it I'll be impressed then.
That Vampire Bloodlines game also is pretty cool 3D especially for an RPG
but I never got very far in it.

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On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:20:32 -0400, "Roger Christie"
<rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> wrote a very poorly quoted
message:

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"Blabbus Blabbibicus" <blabbus@talk.com> wrote in message
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>
> I thought Morrowind was the only beautiful and immersive 3D gaming
> world out there with large expansive outdoor enviroments, but I
> recently played Gothic 1 and Operation Flashpoint: Cold War and was
> pretty impressed with what was presented. The sunrise lighting in
> OPF:CW's 4th/5th scenario was very well done I thought.
>
> I would have *loved* to see this enviroment used in a FPS RPG of some
> sort. Although I imagine recent efforts to create immersive
> enviroments are even better. (Wouldn't know...my system can't handle
> them.)
>
> What are your favorites?

The world outside my window really kicks ass, best 3D and lighting I've ever
seen. NPCs are very realistic, appearing to live their own lives, sound
quality is superb, better than anything I've ever heard. Most amazing of
all is the open-ended design, giving me the freedom to literally go in any
direction I want, do the puzzles and quests in any order. Not sure how big
the landscape is, but I have a feeling that I could walk for days without
zoning. I'm very impressed, so much so every other game pales in
comparison.
 
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On 2005-05-04, bugler@gmail.com <bugler@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think Myst/Riven/Uru were my top picks.
>
> Half life 2 still blows me away. Never played Morrowind :-(.

I'm only an hour or so into Morrowind, but it hasn't blown me away
graphically, because everything is so brown. Where's the colour? Are
there any beautiful vistas later on that don't share a palette with
Quake 1?

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On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:13:04 +0100, Toby <google@asktoby.com> wrote:

>On 2005-05-04, bugler@gmail.com <bugler@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Myst/Riven/Uru were my top picks.
>>
>> Half life 2 still blows me away. Never played Morrowind :-(.
>
>I'm only an hour or so into Morrowind, but it hasn't blown me away
>graphically, because everything is so brown. Where's the colour? Are
>there any beautiful vistas later on that don't share a palette with
>Quake 1?

Well, there is also red. That's about it. Enjoy.

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"Blabbus Blabbibicus" <blabbus@talk.com> wrote in message
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>
> I thought Morrowind was the only beautiful and immersive 3D gaming
> world out there with large expansive outdoor enviroments, but I
> recently played Gothic 1 and Operation Flashpoint: Cold War and was
> pretty impressed with what was presented. The sunrise lighting in
> OPF:CW's 4th/5th scenario was very well done I thought.
>
> I would have *loved* to see this enviroment used in a FPS RPG of some
> sort. Although I imagine recent efforts to create immersive
> enviroments are even better. (Wouldn't know...my system can't handle
> them.)
>
> What are your favorites?

At the time it was released, Trespasser was pretty impressive. Fond memories
of leaping off the top of a waterfall, and having enough time to appreciate
the scenery before landing in the pool at the bottom :)

I'd like to see the Half-Life 2 graphics used in an RPG, but I don't know if
the engine can cope with large non-linear environments.

Rich
 
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:31:58 +0100, "Richard Wingrove" <rich@privacy.net>
wrote:

>I'd like to see the Half-Life 2 graphics used in an RPG, but I don't know if
>the engine can cope with large non-linear environments.

*points*
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, you mean? The textures are different
but the engine is the same or mostly the same. So it could be done. How
about Fallout HL2? :)

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http://home.comcast.net/~macecil/
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Toby <google@asktoby.com> wrote in news:slrnd7jlcg.5eh.google@ID-
171443.user.uni-berlin.de:

> On 2005-05-04, bugler@gmail.com <bugler@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think Myst/Riven/Uru were my top picks.
>>
>> Half life 2 still blows me away. Never played Morrowind :-(.
>
> I'm only an hour or so into Morrowind, but it hasn't blown me away
> graphically, because everything is so brown. Where's the colour? Are
> there any beautiful vistas later on that don't share a palette with
> Quake 1?

Vanilla Morrowind does look rather dated now.
You should install some of the graphics replacers.
It looks really good with these installed:
Morrowind Visual Pack from
http://khalazza.production.free.fr/view_plugin.php?ref=21
Morrowind Visual Pack 2.2 [Nature] from
http://khalazza.production.free.fr/view_plugin.php?ref=29
Visual Pack XT from http://www.thelys.org/mods.php?a=Qarl#Visual_Pack_XT
Better Sky by Thann from
http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/modcontrols/mod.asp?modid=4437

And also Better Bodies and Better Heads to make the NPCs look better.


C
 
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Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:20:32 -0400, "Roger Christie"
> <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> wrote a very poorly quoted
> message:
>
> This page will help you post useful messages rather than a screwed up
> .sig:
> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/
> --
> Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
> please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
> Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.


Bite me.
 
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"Michael Cecil" <macecil@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 5 May 2005 09:31:58 +0100, "Richard Wingrove" <rich@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I'd like to see the Half-Life 2 graphics used in an RPG, but I don't know
if
> >the engine can cope with large non-linear environments.
>
> *points*
> Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, you mean? The textures are different
> but the engine is the same or mostly the same. So it could be done. How
> about Fallout HL2? :)

*slaps forehead*

Err, yes, forgot about that one :) Haven't tried it yet myself - are there
lots of large areas to wander around, without having huge loading times
often?

Rich
 
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:48:23 +0100, "Richard Wingrove" <rich@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Err, yes, forgot about that one :) Haven't tried it yet myself - are there
>lots of large areas to wander around, without having huge loading times
>often?

Well, there are loading times between areas normally. Or you could
install the game into a ram disk and nearly do away with those, if you
have enough ram to spare.

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On 2005-05-05, Michael Cecil <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:48:23 +0100, "Richard Wingrove" <rich@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Err, yes, forgot about that one :) Haven't tried it yet myself - are there
>>lots of large areas to wander around, without having huge loading times
>>often?
>
> Well, there are loading times between areas normally. Or you could
> install the game into a ram disk and nearly do away with those, if you
> have enough ram to spare.

Sounds interesting. I have 1 gig: I'm assuming that is not enough?
Considering VTMB is a little unstable, this is only going to make
matters worse, right?


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On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:32:42 +0100, Toby <google@asktoby.com> wrote:

>On 2005-05-05, Michael Cecil <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 May 2005 13:48:23 +0100, "Richard Wingrove" <rich@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Err, yes, forgot about that one :) Haven't tried it yet myself - are there
>>>lots of large areas to wander around, without having huge loading times
>>>often?
>>
>> Well, there are loading times between areas normally. Or you could
>> install the game into a ram disk and nearly do away with those, if you
>> have enough ram to spare.
>
>Sounds interesting. I have 1 gig: I'm assuming that is not enough?
>Considering VTMB is a little unstable, this is only going to make
>matters worse, right?

I didn't have any stability problems with it regardless of whether I was
using the ram disk or not, just the problems with the plot that were not
fixed before the game was released. OMA's unofficial patches fixed those
however. He's not hosting the patches anymore but you can find them on
many gaming sites now. Anyhow I was using 2G for the game and 1.2G for
the ram disk. Hmmm...thinking back, it did crash to desktop once but it
wasn't a big deal at the time so I didn't remember.

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 10:16:11 GMT, "Seymour C. Moore" <notv@l.id>
wrote:

>Toby <google@asktoby.com> wrote in news:slrnd7jlcg.5eh.google@ID-
>171443.user.uni-berlin.de:
>
>> On 2005-05-04, bugler@gmail.com <bugler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think Myst/Riven/Uru were my top picks.
>>>
>>> Half life 2 still blows me away. Never played Morrowind :-(.
>>
>> I'm only an hour or so into Morrowind, but it hasn't blown me away
>> graphically, because everything is so brown. Where's the colour? Are
>> there any beautiful vistas later on that don't share a palette with
>> Quake 1?
>
>Vanilla Morrowind does look rather dated now.
>You should install some of the graphics replacers.
>It looks really good with these installed:
>Morrowind Visual Pack from
>http://khalazza.production.free.fr/view_plugin.php?ref=21
>Morrowind Visual Pack 2.2 [Nature] from
>http://khalazza.production.free.fr/view_plugin.php?ref=29
>Visual Pack XT from http://www.thelys.org/mods.php?a=Qarl#Visual_Pack_XT
>Better Sky by Thann from
>http://www.rpgplanet.com/morrowind/modcontrols/mod.asp?modid=4437
>
>And also Better Bodies and Better Heads to make the NPCs look better.

You forgot to mention the Lighting upgrades which improves how MW's
ambient lighting works.

But also you have to remember that Morrowind takes place on a gigantic
volcanic island so there are bound to be alot of grays and browns.
<🙂

If you go to the Bitter Coast region (Far southwestern areas I
believe) and the human settled areas things become more green.
 
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On 5 May 2005 02:22:24 GMT, Knight37 <knight37m@email.com> wrote:

>"Roger Christie" <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL>charter.net> once tried to
>test me with:
>
>> The trouble with GW is that the terrain is all on rails. I've spent at
>> least half the time trying to find how to get from one spot to another
>> 10 feet away because a little 3 foot slope is in the way that I'm not
>> allowed to cross. Ruins it for me. Its like Dungeon Seige in that
>> regard.
>
>Yep, that is the immersion breaker for me, essentially it's a 2D world, you
>can never jump or in any way go vertical except on the preset paths.

That's why I was so impressed with Operation Flashpoint's engine. You
had full access to the entire island and it all loads up seamlessly.
There are hills in the distance which show their actual depth and
height, forests (pine and decidious) that you can walk through,
buildings which you can enter and explore, etc. etc.

And I mean this island is BIG. I remember wrecking the motorcycle you
use at the beginning of the game and trying to walk to the next town.
FORGET IT! It was way too far. It actually takes you about 15 mins to
drive to your first mission. And all the while you're driving past
farms, road signs, forests, other traffic, buildings, etc.

It wasn't up to today's graphical standards of course, but it was
nicely immersive.

I forgot to mention Grand Theft Auto 3 as one of my favorites. The
disappearing/reappearing pedistrians and traffic ruined it a bit, but
it was/is still pretty awesome.
 
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"Grackle" <nobody@lalaland.ca> wrote:
>"Blabbus Blabbibicus" <blabbus@talk.com> wrote in message
>news:085i71t4dvpf8vq69iaddieiie147j3i7h@4ax.com...
>>
>> I thought Morrowind was the only beautiful and immersive 3D gaming
>> world out there with large expansive outdoor enviroments, but I
>> recently played Gothic 1 and Operation Flashpoint: Cold War and was
>> pretty impressed with what was presented. The sunrise lighting in
>> OPF:CW's 4th/5th scenario was very well done I thought.
>>
>> I would have *loved* to see this enviroment used in a FPS RPG of some
>> sort. Although I imagine recent efforts to create immersive
>> enviroments are even better. (Wouldn't know...my system can't handle
>> them.)
>>
>> What are your favorites?
>
>The world outside my window really kicks ass, best 3D and lighting I've ever
>seen. NPCs are very realistic, appearing to live their own lives, sound
>quality is superb, better than anything I've ever heard. Most amazing of
>all is the open-ended design, giving me the freedom to literally go in any
>direction I want, do the puzzles and quests in any order. Not sure how big
>the landscape is, but I have a feeling that I could walk for days without
>zoning. I'm very impressed, so much so every other game pales in
>comparison.
>

Hahahahaha.
 
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Thusly "chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> Spake Unto All:

>Hmm, so they left the glass walls in then. I thought that might have just
>been because since that was the first "event" I participated in, it was
>maybe because the terrain wasn't completely finished. Looks like those
>glass canyons were indeed a "feature".

What it is, is that steeply sloping terrain is impassable. You can't
climb rockfaces, or jump off cliffs.

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