your opinion about all TCG you tested ?

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Hello,
I did a simple thing, I copy the full list of TCG from potomac and I
would like that you write down your opinion about the one you tested
???
No more than 2 lines per game!!!
I don't know most of the game and it is possible to have some of them
cheap on ebay it is why I want to know the one which are good or bad!


..hack//enemy
7th Sea
Age of Empires
Arcadia
Babylon 5
Battletech
Beyblade
Bionicle
Buffy
Call of Cthulhu
Creepy Freaks
CrossGen
Cyberpunk
D&D Miniatures
DC HeroClix
DC/Marvel TCG (Upper Deck)
Deck Protectors
Doomtown
Doomtrooper
Dragonball Z/Dragonball GT
Duel Masters
Firestorm
Galactic Empires
Game of Thrones
Gaming Supplies
Guardians
>following the advice of some people I bought a couple of cheap box
(starter, booster and dagger isle)... I will test the game beginning
of july!

Harry Potter
Hercules
Highlander
Hum Aliens
Hyborian Gates
Illuminati
Initial D
L5R/LBS
Looney Tunes
Lord of the Rings
Lord of the Rings Miniatures
Lost Colony
Mage Knight
Magic
>I played, liked it 5 years ago, but there is too much money
involve!!! I stopped!

Magic - Foreign
Magi-Nation
Marvel HeroClix
Marvel Recharge
Marvel/DC TCG (Upper Deck)
MechWarrior
Middle Earth
>tested , love the cards, but the game not too much.

MLB Showdown
Monster Rancher
Mythos
NBA Showdown
NeoPets
Netrunner
NFL Showdown
On The Edge
Ophidian 2350
Other/Unlisted Gaming Boxes
Overpower
>too easy, nothing amazing about this game!!!! don't buy it!

Pokemon
Rage
>I have a couple of deck and I keep all the werewolf for teh
collection... great to play once or twice a year, no more.

Redemption
RIFTS
Sailor Moon
Scooby Doo
Settlers of Catan (Board Game)
Shadowfist
Shadowrun
Simpsons
Spycraft
Star Trek
Star Wars CCG (Decipher)
Star Wars TCG (WOTC)
SW: Jedi Knights
SW: Young Jedi
Tomb Raider
Ultimate Combat
Vampire/Jyhad
>if you have a group of 4 of 5 friend to play, it is a great games. I
collect and play it as much as possible even if the cards are not
beautiful

WarCry
Warhammer 40K
Warlord
WCW Nitro
Wheel of Time
Wizard in Training
WWE Raw Deal
Wyvern
Xena
X-Files
Yu-Gi-Oh
YuYu Hakusho

 

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Hey,


Pokemon
> Was good for a while, but when they added 300 more it went down.
Redemption
> I have played it for a year and I think it rocks! Plenty of strategy
along with Biblical principles.

"cure" <cure@caramail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I did a simple thing, I copy the full list of TCG from potomac and I
> would like that you write down your opinion about the one you tested
> ???
> No more than 2 lines per game!!!
> I don't know most of the game and it is possible to have some of them
> cheap on ebay it is why I want to know the one which are good or bad!
>
>
> .hack//enemy
> 7th Sea
> Age of Empires
> Arcadia
> Babylon 5
> Battletech
> Beyblade
> Bionicle
> Buffy
> Call of Cthulhu
> Creepy Freaks
> CrossGen
> Cyberpunk
> D&D Miniatures
> DC HeroClix
> DC/Marvel TCG (Upper Deck)
> Deck Protectors
> Doomtown
> Doomtrooper
> Dragonball Z/Dragonball GT
> Duel Masters
> Firestorm
> Galactic Empires
> Game of Thrones
> Gaming Supplies
> Guardians
> >following the advice of some people I bought a couple of cheap box
> (starter, booster and dagger isle)... I will test the game beginning
> of july!
>
> Harry Potter
> Hercules
> Highlander
> Hum Aliens
> Hyborian Gates
> Illuminati
> Initial D
> L5R/LBS
> Looney Tunes
> Lord of the Rings
> Lord of the Rings Miniatures
> Lost Colony
> Mage Knight
> Magic
> >I played, liked it 5 years ago, but there is too much money
> involve!!! I stopped!
>
> Magic - Foreign
> Magi-Nation
> Marvel HeroClix
> Marvel Recharge
> Marvel/DC TCG (Upper Deck)
> MechWarrior
> Middle Earth
> >tested , love the cards, but the game not too much.
>
> MLB Showdown
> Monster Rancher
> Mythos
> NBA Showdown
> NeoPets
> Netrunner
> NFL Showdown
> On The Edge
> Ophidian 2350
> Other/Unlisted Gaming Boxes
> Overpower
> >too easy, nothing amazing about this game!!!! don't buy it!
>
> Pokemon
> Rage
> >I have a couple of deck and I keep all the werewolf for teh
> collection... great to play once or twice a year, no more.
>
> Redemption
> RIFTS
> Sailor Moon
> Scooby Doo
> Settlers of Catan (Board Game)
> Shadowfist
> Shadowrun
> Simpsons
> Spycraft
> Star Trek
> Star Wars CCG (Decipher)
> Star Wars TCG (WOTC)
> SW: Jedi Knights
> SW: Young Jedi
> Tomb Raider
> Ultimate Combat
> Vampire/Jyhad
> >if you have a group of 4 of 5 friend to play, it is a great games. I
> collect and play it as much as possible even if the cards are not
> beautiful
>
> WarCry
> Warhammer 40K
> Warlord
> WCW Nitro
> Wheel of Time
> Wizard in Training
> WWE Raw Deal
> Wyvern
> Xena
> X-Files
> Yu-Gi-Oh
> YuYu Hakusho

 

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> I don't know most of the game and it is possible to have some of them
> cheap on ebay it is why I want to know the one which are good or bad!

One of the best sources of information for this is:

http://www.rpweld3.com/reviews/ccgreviews.html

Sadly, he stopped going this as of last June (June/2004). But just about
any
game that came out before that time was reviewed. If you are interested in
getting into any of the older/ish games, this is the place to start learning
about
it.

Sorrow
--
Why did the chicken cross the road?
"To die. Alone. In the rain." - Ernest Hemingway

 

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> Lord of the Rings
I have not played this game, but did want too until they came out with so
many cards so fast. I don't have that much time or money
>
> Redemption
Played for 5 years. It is more fun when there are several advanced
players. Often there are only U14 around. But has a great group here.

> Settlers of Catan (Board Game)
Great Board game. Becareful where you but though b/c it's as pricey as
all the other Adventure Board Games. see www.boardgamegeek.com

 

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cure wrote:

> Hello,
> I did a simple thing, I copy the full list of TCG from potomac and I
> would like that you write down your opinion about the one you tested
> ???
> No more than 2 lines per game!!!
> I don't know most of the game and it is possible to have some of them
> cheap on ebay it is why I want to know the one which are good or bad!
>
>
> .hack//enemy
It's Decipher. Below I will detail why I will never buy another Decipher
game.

> 7th Sea
Has been discontinued. Interesting game, but some of the play mechanics
seem a little unbalanced (why would you choose boarding over gunnery?)

> Deck Protectors
Um, this isn't a TCG. They're card sleeves.

> Doomtown
Has been discontinued. Excellent game. You actually build a geography; the
game has a wonderful requirement that you must learn how to *maneuver*.

> Gaming Supplies
Um, not a TCG. It's supplies for use with TCGs, like it says.

> Guardians
>>following the advice of some people I bought a couple of cheap box
> (starter, booster and dagger isle)... I will test the game beginning
> of july!
I played this a little. It had some interesting aspects but in the end
didn't catch me. Part of the problem was the art, which was certainly
very nicely done but just wasn't to my taste.
>
> Harry Potter
I believe this has been discontinued as well. Overly simple. Might be
good for younger players.

> Initial D
An interesting concept; very different. Only seen a small demo deck, so
it's difficult for me to evaluate how well they carried it off.

> L5R/LBS
Two different games; Legend of the Five Rings and Legend of the Burning
Sands. Set in the same world, but different games and not interchangeable.

Legend of the Five Rings
Excellent game. Subtle gameplay and a storyline that cannot be matched
(and which you can contribute to by playing in sanctioned tournaments).

Legend of the Burning Sands
Has been discontinued. An interesting game that got caught by its confusing
similarity to L5R and AEG's ill-conceived "Rolling Thunder" release concept.

> Magic
>>I played, liked it 5 years ago, but there is too much money
> involve!!! I stopped!
You might want to look into this again. Standard (Type II) has become the
reigning tournament type. While it's a pain to see your cards rotate out
of Standard, it's nice to see $30 World Championship Decks (and yes, there
have been some).
>
> Magic - Foreign
This is just Magic cards printed in foreign languages.

> Netrunner
One of the best TCGs ever made. Sadly, it has been discontinued. Unique
concepts, excellent gameplay.

> Pokemon
Unbalanced and overly simple, IMHO. May become the second TCG I decide
to sell out of.

> Shadowfist
Nice game, excellent multiplayer, nonstop action. Great game if you
love a game where a card in play's average lifetime is two or three turns.

> Star Trek
Bleh. The only CCG I ever sold out of. Decipher is in the business of
power rares and clumsy, inadequate fixes. Can you say "Bridge Crew Deck"?

> Star Wars CCG (Decipher)
And the other reason I will never buy a Decipher game. "The main characters
will be commons!" "Wait, no, we lied, they're rares. Play the third alien
from the left in the Cantina scene if you have to play your commons. This
makes it more fun to collect!"

> Vampire/Jyhad
>>if you have a group of 4 of 5 friend to play, it is a great games. I
> collect and play it as much as possible even if the cards are not
> beautiful
Exactly my take. The best multiplayer CCG ever made, but you can't
really play it with only two people.

> Yu-Gi-Oh
From what I can tell, this has a nasty tendency to degenerate into, "I have
the biggest monster, so you're helpless" because you can't gang up several
small creatures on the big one like you can in almost any other CCG.
Ways around it, but not enough.

--
Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

 

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Okay... this could take a while, but what the heck.


> 7th Sea
RPG or CCG? I've played both. Don't get much of a chance to play the RPG
anymore, but my collection of cards is hard to rival. Love the game and
mourn its passing.

> Babylon 5
Again, what version? Miniature, RPG or CCG? I've played the CCG, and it's
kind of boring. I know a lot of people who love it, but I could never get
into a card game that dealt with politics.

> Battletech
CCG is cool.

> Beyblade
Fun to play with my 8 year old. We collect the tops.

> Bionicle
Any particular game? There must be a dozen or more out there.

>Doomtown
One of the best and most innovative CCGs ever made. Wish I could find more
people to play it with.

> Firestorm
The most strategic sci-fi CCG ever made. Love the game, the art and the
story. This one makes you think like no other game I've encountered. Try
it!

> Galactic Empires
Ugh. Have a ton of cards with mediocre artwork and vague instructions.
Never have figured out how to play it.

> Game of Thrones
One of the best looking CCGs. Gorgeous artwork that fans of the books will
love. The game itself is okay, and we play it often.

> Harry Potter
More fun than it appears. Some love it, some hate it. You'll have to
decide for yourself. Persoanlly, my kids and I love it.

> Highlander
Boring.

>L5R/LBS
Like them both. Wish I could find the Awakening cards for LBS.

> Looney Tunes
Blah. Not as much fun as you might think.

> Lord of the Rings
Which version? CCG is decent enough. Never got incolved with the
miniatures.

> Mage Knight
Sold my collection of 500 pieces when it started to suffer from Magic
syndrome. Too big, too fast, impossible to collect.

> Magic
Ugh, don't get me started. You have to be a millionaire to keep up.

> Magi-Nation
Cute game, anime artwork. We play but don't collect seriously.

> MechWarrior
I have about 200 figures for a game I've never played.

> Middle Earth
Again, lots of cards but never played the game. I've heard it's kind of
boring and long.

>Pokemon
The only CCG my wife will play with me. Stopped buying it years ago.

> Rage
The initial releases were cool, and the game rocked. The revamped version
blew.

> Star Wars TCG (WOTC)
Play it regularly and have a decent collection. Nice and quick, easy to
learn and teach. Good game.

> SW: Jedi Knights
YUCK. They thought anything with "Star Wars" on it would sell. Horrible
game.

> SW: Young Jedi
Got it when it first game out, played twice, stopped buying it. Not a bad
game.

> Tomb Raider
More fun than you'd think to look at it. Good for solo play too, which
makes it unique.

> Warhammer 40K
Minis or CCG? Played the card game for awhile, but had to stop due to $
issues.

> Warlord
Love it, demo it, will play it anytime.

> Wheel of Time
If possible, even more boring than Babylon 5. Only reason I bought it is
because I love the books.

> Wizard in Training
Cheap knockoff of Harry Potter that came out first and died quickly. Not
bad to play, but kind of complicated for kids.

> Wyvern
Collected the cards, played once. Dull.

> X-Files
CCG version of Clue. Nice attempt, but no depth and has none of the
excitement of the show.

> Yu-Gi-Oh
Kind of iffy on this one. Have two starter decks and that's it. Play
occasionally.

Hope this helps you!

Maj

 

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There are a couple missing that I've played that i'll include:

> Battletech
Demonstrated it quite a bit and it's certainly easy to teach. I feel the
game is too 'linear' and that the dice detract from the gameplay.

> Call of Cthulhu
It's not out yet. I worry about rumours of a Fantasy Flight 'rare card =
power card' ethos. Certainly has some fantastic artwork though. I'll give it
a try.

> Doomtown
Demonstrated it a couple of times, but by the time I was in a position to
buy into it the rolling thunder release program had put me off entirely.

> Illuminati
Interesting and fun. Broadly speaking.

> ::Judge Dredd::
I liked the concept and the artwork. The best strategies were far too
obvious and the game is now out of print.

> L5R
I had to demonstrate this game and I hate it. Loath it even. Too long, too
complicated to teach easily and just not rewarding in any fashion. blerg.

> Magic
Played it competitively for years. To be as good as I would want to be to
start playing it again, I would need to dedicate time that I no longer have.
An amazing game.

> Mythos
I quite liked the concept but the replay value is a bit limited to my mind.

> Netrunner
A great game that doesn't lend itself to tournament play, which may have led
to its demise. The concept is great, although I think it could have be
executed better.

> ::Spellfire::
I've had some good games of this. Really. Lots of cards, the latest rules
and balanced decks are required I think. There are worse CCGs...

> Star Trek
....and this is one of them. Power rares are an endemic problem of Decipher
CCGs. Discuss.

> Vampire/Jyhad
With 4-5 players it's amazing. A wonderful game that i'll probably never
bore of playing. The amount of errata is unfortunate but probably necessary
to keep the game alive.

Matt.

 

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On 7 Jun 2004 05:06:10 -0700, cure wrote:

>I did a simple thing, I copy the full list of TCG from potomac and I
>would like that you write down your opinion about the one you tested
>No more than 2 lines per game!!!

I've bought and played many of these but don't want to waste time on
the stinkers. It's not smart to try and do more than one CCG and the
one to go for from that list is undoubtedly Shadowfist. The reasons
are:

* Longevity - first published in 1995 and still going strong with a
new expansion recently and another one coming later this year. And
remarkably, no cards are banned, retired or otherwise unplayable.

* Multi-player - makes it more fun and balanced than most CCG

* Good theme - action movies, kung fu, sorcery, guns, monkeys -
something for everyone.

* Good looks - the original cards used many of the same artists as
Magic and the latest set has some of the most gorgeous art ever. And
it hasn't changed its layout or card backs unlike many other
long-lived CCGs.

An honourable mention should go to Doomtown which still has its fans
but is quite moribund now. Die-hard fans should come to Origins where
the last of the organised events are to be found.

Andrew

 

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>> Highlander
>Boring.

How so? It's had many cards errata'd (like MtG) to make the game more
playable-overpowered promo cards nearly destroyed the game in the early days.
That was boring, watching my opponen play while I could only draw and discard.

It does help to be a big fan of the movies/TV show.

>
>> Magi-Nation
>Cute game, anime artwork. We play but don't collect seriously.
>
This is my current favorite game, but sadly it looks like the company will go
under before releasing the new expansion.

Just my 2¢
Dave

 

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"cure" <cure@caramail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I did a simple thing, I copy the full list of TCG from potomac and I
> would like that you write down your opinion about the one you tested
> ???
> No more than 2 lines per game!!!
> I don't know most of the game and it is possible to have some of them
> cheap on ebay it is why I want to know the one which are good or bad!
>
>
> Battletech
Yuck. Doesn't do justice to the source material. I didn't like the
artwork, and its got that dice mechanic... ;-)

> Game of Thrones
I heard good things about it in early release, but have also heard that the
expansions make it a bit less fun, due to some serious escalation.

> Guardians
Fun stuff, if it can be found for cheap.

> Hyborian Gates
Awful, awful, awful.

> Illuminati
On principle, I must support any TCG which encourages the consumption of
coffee while playing...

>Imajica (inserted, just becasue I happen to remember it...)
Good game mechanics, but the game's theme is absolutely inaccessible to
anyone who hasn't read the book.

> L5R
This game never kept my attention, despite a healthy local playing
community, and my own interest in its theme.

> Mage Knight
Ultra-rare super mega foil holo chase cards go 3D... If you can convince a
someone to play a limited format, it can be fun and challenging.

> Magic
You too can jump on the bandwagon, and have your collection obsoleted every
year! As with most things, the most popular is never the best.

> MechWarrior
DA suffers less from Ultra-Rare-Super-Mega-Foil-Holo-Chase Syndrome than its
predecessor, Mage Knight, and is better for it. Multi-story tall combat
robots are always a plus, too...

> Mythos
I actually liked this, but games could stagnate from each player being able
to muck with thier opponent's strategy moreso than being able to accomplish
their own.

> Netrunner
Very nice mechanics. The genre got stale about the same time as William
Gibson and Bruce Sterling did, though... Be honest, who's actually read all
of _Virtual Light_? 😛

> On The Edge
See Guardians.

> Rage
Brrrrroken. My own distaste for the dishonesty of Ryan Dancey with WotC's
non-Magic gaming community of the mid-late 90's raises the bile factor
towards its re-release.

> Shadowfist
Great genre. Good, solid game. Re-playability is decent. People tell me
that multi-player is fun, but TTBOMK I've never been in a room with two
other players...

> Vampire/Jyhad
My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best Multiplayer
TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when
released to the masses, he went back to the drawing board and got it right.
VTES is the result. I gush... Frankly, I'm so biased in my love of this
game, listening to me going on about it is probably not wise.

> Wyvern
Yuck. So your Big Draw for your TCG is Dragons..? Why do they all look
like Chia Pets, then... Horrible artwork, horrible mechanics.

> X-Files
It seems somehow fitting that the TCG for X-Files fans is a convoluted
version of two-player solitaire...

DaveZ
Atom Weaver

 

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> > Netrunner
> Very nice mechanics. The genre got stale about the same time as William
> Gibson and Bruce Sterling did, though... Be honest, who's actually read
all
> of _Virtual Light_? 😛

How do you see that the genre got stale? Even so, how does that bear on the
CCG? As a game, Netrunner is quite fun and challenging to play.

> > Rage
> Brrrrroken. My own distaste for the dishonesty of Ryan Dancey with WotC's
> non-Magic gaming community of the mid-late 90's raises the bile factor
> towards its re-release.

Have you taken a look at 2ndEd Rage (Rage Across Las Vegas)? It's actually
very balanced and fun to play.

> > Vampire/Jyhad
> My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
Multiplayer
> TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when
> released to the masses, he went back to the drawing board and got it
right.
> VTES is the result. I gush... Frankly, I'm so biased in my love of this
> game, listening to me going on about it is probably not wise.

It was quite good. Up until Camarilla Edition, anyway. But that's just one
man's opinion.

Sorrow
---
I keep telling them that I think they're out to get me.
They ask me if I feel remorse and I answer, "Why of course!
There's so much more I could have done if they'd let me!"
So it's Rorschach and Prozac and everything is groovy

 

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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:33:48 GMT, David Zopf wrote:

>> Vampire/Jyhad
>My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best Multiplayer
>TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when...

Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG. It is still retains
Magic's dwindling life mechanism and is all about eliminating other
players from the game. This is ok for a two-player game like Magic -
the game ends when one player is out. But it's a poor basis for a
multiplayer game. Play a fun, theme deck and *bam* you're ousted and
go off to weep while the other players finish the game. And a game
can take hours to finish. While you're waiting, you can look through
the game's art and then tear your eyes out. A more suitable title
would be the best TCG for masochistic Goths ...

Meanwhile, as I said in the other post, the best multiplayer TCG is
Shadowfist. Everyone gets to play the game until it's complete and
the process is usually more upbeat - building to a crescendo rather
than fading into nothingness.

But I'm reminded of the last episode of Angel, "Not Fade Away", which
aired here yesterday. And I really must go do something about that.
Grrrr...

Andrew

 

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> >> Vampire/Jyhad
> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
Multiplayer
> >TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when...
> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.

This is, of course, your opinion and to which you are certainly allowed.
However, it was voted the "Best Multiplayer TCG Ever" by the readers
of InQuest magazine.

Sorrow
---
"Our generation has had no Great Depression, no Great War.
Our war is a spiritual war. Our depression is our lives."
- Tyler Durden

 

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"Andrew S. Davidson" <ad@csi.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:33:48 GMT, David Zopf wrote:
>
> >> Vampire/Jyhad
> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
Multiplayer
> >TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when...
>
> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.

Why do Shadowfist players come across so repulsively arrogant, elitist and
condescending in on-line fora? I've met you IRL and you seem a perfectly
reasonable fellow, likewise the other 'fist players involved in the 'dice'
discussion the other month were really personable once they stopped
over-reacting and started posting constructively.

I swear this sort of attitude puts people off playing Shadowfist. And for
what? What a pointless discussion. I don't care what game you end up playing
Cure as long as you enjoy it.


Matt Green

 

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In article <2ioojjFpgqr3U1@uni-berlin.de>, Sorrow <jcboget@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Vampire/Jyhad
>> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
>Multiplayer
>> >TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when...
>> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.
>This is, of course, your opinion and to which you are certainly allowed.

No, it's just correct.
A vast majority of those who have tried both Fist and Jyhad consider Fist
considerably better.

>However, it was voted the "Best Multiplayer TCG Ever" by the readers
>of InQuest magazine.

Which is a good sample why?


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In article <ca7chh$d7q$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Matt Green <matt@rid0utass0ciates.c0.uk> wrote:
>Why do Shadowfist players come across so repulsively arrogant, elitist and
>condescending in on-line fora?

Trash talk, mostly.
Note that we get on each other's nerves sometimes too.


>I've met you IRL and you seem a perfectly
>reasonable fellow, likewise the other 'fist players involved in the 'dice'
>discussion the other month were really personable once they stopped
>over-reacting and started posting constructively.

Went the other way too, I'll note -- there were a lot of annoying
miscommuncations early in the "dice" thread, which turned into a useful
conversation once some of them were smoothed out a bit.

I'll note that I have something of an "old usenet" style, which tends to cover
both not "suffering (apparent) fools gladly" as well as a few other things.

>I swear this sort of attitude puts people off playing Shadowfist. And for
>what? What a pointless discussion. I don't care what game you end up playing
>Cure as long as you enjoy it.

Absolutely. But discussion can be fruitful anyway.

BTW, if one is interested in trying Fist without having to invest in
cardstock and all that garbage, there's now a way to try it, for free, online
(at least if, unlike me, you have a Windows box).



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"Joshua Kronengold" <mneme@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
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> In article <2ioojjFpgqr3U1@uni-berlin.de>, Sorrow <jcboget@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >> >> Vampire/Jyhad
> >> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
> >Multiplayer
> >> >TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic
when...
> >> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.
> >This is, of course, your opinion and to which you are certainly allowed.
>
> No, it's just correct.
> A vast majority of those who have tried both Fist and Jyhad consider Fist
> considerably better.
>
> >However, it was voted the "Best Multiplayer TCG Ever" by the readers
> >of InQuest magazine.
>
> Which is a good sample why?

Because its the Only sample. There are not enough fist players to get a
statistically significant sampling.

Now if you can pull off another vote and have a higher turn out than the
inquest vote, then you can make a claim that fist is better. Until then
Vtes is supreme.

Raille

 

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"Andrew S. Davidson" <ad@csi.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:33:48 GMT, David Zopf wrote:
>
> >> Vampire/Jyhad
> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
Multiplayer
> >TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when...
>
> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.
Sorry, but it is, too, Troll... (Nyah, nyah! thpffft! etc... Who peed in
_your_ Cheerios this morning..? I thought this was an opinion thread, and
not an Andrew S. Davidson opinion thread. You'll be happy to know, I've
altered the header title appropriately 😛 )

> It is still retains
> Magic's dwindling life mechanism and is all about eliminating other
> players from the game. This is ok for a two-player game like Magic -
> the game ends when one player is out. But it's a poor basis for a
> multiplayer game. Play a fun, theme deck and *bam* you're ousted and
> go off to weep while the other players finish the game.
....Or start another game with others so ousted. Note, if you agree with
others as to the relative competitive level of decks, this doesn't happen in
casual play. If you attend a tournament with a fun, theme deck, you should
have the sense to know ahead of time that you'll be sitting around a lot...

> And a game can take hours to finish.
For inexperienced players, yes. I'll admit the slow play early on tends to
convince a lot of people to not stick with the game. Most groups with even
a moderate level of experience can reduce game lengths to less than two
hours, often less than an hour. If your attention span cannot tolerate
that, well then, you shouldn't be playing a multiplayer game... As with all
games, circumstances of deadlock can arise.

> While you're waiting, you can look through
> the game's art and then tear your eyes out. A more suitable title
> would be the best TCG for masochistic Goths ...
>
Andrew, you're going to make an excellent old person someday (soon), you
crotchety old fart... That aside, the majority of the VTES players out
there aren't from the goth subculture, nor are they Vampire RPG types. The
typical VTES player is a strategic-minded gamer with the rare trait of
actually enjoying social interaction while gaming. As to the artwork,
everyone has their preferences. I like many of the (non-Christopher Shy)
vampire portaits, and have my favorite artists for the game (Kieran Yanner
is a recent fave). The artword for VTES strikes a wide range of quality, if
only becuse there are now so many cards... By contrast (and since you seem
to _want_ to get in a 'my opinion is worth more than yours' contest), the
cartoonish style of Shadowfist is cute, but approaches tedium quickly for
me. I _do_ like LA Williams' "Hopping Vampire", though, even if it does
have two legs...

> Meanwhile, as I said in the other post, the best multiplayer TCG is
> Shadowfist.
Again, the popularity of Shadowfist is so deplorable, I cannot really
comment other than from a read-through of the multiplayer rules.

> Everyone gets to play the game until it's complete and
> the process is usually more upbeat - building to a crescendo rather
> than fading into nothingness.
>
Conversely, dog-piling a single player is much easier (even encouraged) in
Shadowfist's environment. Just surviving as someone else's Tool until the
end of a multiplayer game can often be more of a bore than getting ousted,
and moving on strightaway to the next game at another table. Say, come to
think of it, a poorly built or thematic deck in multiplayer Shadowfist would
roughly result in the same effect as in VTES. The only difference; you have
to play it out to the bitter end...

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In article <UnJxc.6834$ak3.4623@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
David Zopf <david_zopf@snet.net> wrote:
>"Andrew S. Davidson" <ad@csi.com> wrote in message
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>> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.
>Sorry, but it is, too, Troll... (Nyah, nyah! thpffft! etc... Who peed in
>_your_ Cheerios this morning..?

Because someone disagrees with you does not mean they're a troll

Aside from that...you're wrong.

>only becuse there are now so many cards... By contrast (and since you seem
>to _want_ to get in a 'my opinion is worth more than yours' contest), the
>cartoonish style of Shadowfist is cute, but approaches tedium quickly for
>me.

Fist does not have a single art style.

>Again, the popularity of Shadowfist is so deplorable, I cannot really
>comment other than from a read-through of the multiplayer rules.

You can play online...

>and moving on strightaway to the next game at another table. Say, come to
>think of it, a poorly built or thematic deck in multiplayer Shadowfist would
>roughly result in the same effect as in VTES. The only difference; you have
>to play it out to the bitter end...

Nope. There's always a chance, if you can seize your time -- the very factors
that allow multiple players to gang up to take down, or more often, slow down,
a leader also allow a weaker player to grab a win if the table exhausts
itself.

Unless, of course, you are sitting for two hours with one card left in your
deck and a hand full of junk (but then, you -can- always just discard cards
and force yourself out of the game, since running through your deck is the one
way to "oust" yourself in Fist).


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"Sorrow" <jcboget@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > Netrunner
> > Very nice mechanics. The genre got stale about the same time as William
> > Gibson and Bruce Sterling did, though... Be honest, who's actually read
> all
> > of _Virtual Light_? 😛
>
> How do you see that the genre got stale?
Oh, I dunno... The whole haxx0r v. Eeev1l.c0rp bit seems horribly cliche'
to me by now. As with everything else in my post, its just opinion...

> Even so, how does that bear on the
> CCG? As a game, Netrunner is quite fun and challenging to play.
>
I agree. Hence the first three words written...

> > > Rage
> > Brrrrroken. My own distaste for the dishonesty of Ryan Dancey with
WotC's
> > non-Magic gaming community of the mid-late 90's raises the bile factor
> > towards its re-release.
>
> Have you taken a look at 2ndEd Rage (Rage Across Las Vegas)? It's
actually
> very balanced and fun to play.
>
As I mentioned, the bile factor is associated (however unfairly) with Ryan
Dancey, and not Rage 2ed, per se. I didn't look at Rage 2ed, and wouldn't
bother with it now (my free gaming time is seriously limited). Not unless
Legbiter made me. ;-)

> > > Vampire/Jyhad
> > My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
> Multiplayer
> > TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the flaws of Magic when
> > released to the masses, he went back to the drawing board and got it
> right.
> > VTES is the result. I gush... Frankly, I'm so biased in my love of
this
> > game, listening to me going on about it is probably not wise.
>
> It was quite good. Up until Camarilla Edition, anyway.

Everyone has reasons for deciding to try a new game, and for leaving old
ones. I can't say I agree with your reasons, but I can respect you're right
to them...

> But that's just one
> man's opinion.
>
and that _was_ the point of this thread, which seems to have escaped Some
(ahem!!!)

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In article <133b01c4b2342ec66dc40c3a4a9638b8@news.teranews.com>,
Raille <raille@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Joshua Kronengold" <mneme@fnord.io.com> wrote in message
>news:tJCdnWJfHaH73lrdRVn-hg@io.com...
>> In article <2ioojjFpgqr3U1@uni-berlin.de>, Sorrow <jcboget@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >> >> Vampire/Jyhad
>> >> >My personal favorite. Suffice it to say, it deserves the 'Best
>> >> >Multiplayer TCG, Ever' title. When Mr. Garfield saw all the
>> >> >flaws of Magic when...
>> >> Sorry but this is not the best multiplayer TCG.
>> >This is, of course, your opinion and to which you are certainly allowed.
>>
>> No, it's just correct.

It's a matter of opinion. I don't have one, not having ever played
Vampire. Shadowfist is a very good multiplayer game, however. (It is
possible that I may be biased.

>> A vast majority of those who have tried both Fist and Jyhad consider Fist
>> considerably better.
>>
>> >However, it was voted the "Best Multiplayer TCG Ever" by the readers
>> >of InQuest magazine.
>>
>> Which is a good sample why?
>
>Because its the Only sample. There are not enough fist players to get a
>statistically significant sampling.

Yes there are.

>Now if you can pull off another vote and have a higher turn out than the
>inquest vote, then you can make a claim that fist is better. Until then
>Vtes is supreme.

If people who have played Vampire but not Shadowfist think Vampire is
the best multiplayer CCG ever, does that mean they are right, or that
they have not played the better game?

(Of course, the same can be said of those who have played Shadowfist
but not Vampire, who think Shadowfist is the best.)

Popularity polls only work when those polled have sufficient
familiarity with the subject. Due to the expense of following a CCG,
most people don't widely sample the field. Consider what CCG would win
an InQuest poll for the best CCG ever. It it really the best, or just
the most popular?

 

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Raille wrote:
>
> Because its the Only sample. There are not enough fist players to get a
> statistically significant sampling.
>
> Now if you can pull off another vote and have a higher turn out than the
> inquest vote, then you can make a claim that fist is better. Until then
> Vtes is supreme.

Quantity is not quality.

Just because a minor majority voted George Bush to the White House does
not mean he is the best president.

Jyhad sure is the best Multiplayer TCG, I agree, but not because so many
people say so. It just IS very good.

And well, basically there haven't been that many Multiplayer TVGs, and
even VTES is not doing too great. It has a steady group of loyal
followers, but so does Quake2 (the dead computergame).

Pro's about Jyhad/VTES:
-it's not over in 5-10 minutes
-you have to actually think
-you have to talk to other players (coherent talk, not just 'Lightning
Bolt on your Hypnotic Spectre')
-(in Jyhad at least) the cards are pretty and dark
-it's about vampires, how cool can you get?
-it was built to be multiplayer, and is fun for all players. I've played
10-player games that lasted till sunrise (some players suddenly had to
leave at that time *gg*) and were interesting all through the game. And
yeah, some were ousted before it ended. Didn't see them sulk, they just
stayed to watch.

Con's?
-They changed the card's backs.
-They tried to copy Magic for too long and wanted VTES to be as succesful.

//Doc.

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:30:31 -0500, Sorrow wrote:

>This is, of course, your opinion and to which you are certainly allowed.
>However, it was voted the "Best Multiplayer TCG Ever" by the readers
>of InQuest magazine.

No, it wasn't a vote. It was a bit of fluff by the staff writers.
The title of the article was "Lord of Chaos" and what they were
thinking of was what they call chaos games, "a game where eight ain't
enough". I suppose that's why they included Magic the Gathering - a
game that doesn't have any proper multiplayer rules as I recall - just
a bunch of variant formats.

Their selections were LotR, Magic, Game of Thrones, B5 and Vampire.
Read what they had to say about Vampire. "Two is okay; four is
ideal". They didn't even know that the tournament standard for
Vampire is five players. Clueless.

Andrew

 

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Sez Andrew S. Davidson:

: Meanwhile, as I said in the other post, the best multiplayer TCG is
: Shadowfist. Everyone gets to play the game until it's complete and
: the process is usually more upbeat - building to a crescendo rather
: than fading into nothingness.

He's right, you know.

Bob Rossney
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"The Doctor" <DOK@freemail.nl> wrote in message
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: Quantity is not quality.
:
: Just because a minor majority voted George Bush to the White House does
: not mean he is the best president.

A minor majority of Supreme Court justices, even. A minority of, you know,
voters.

Not that I wish to besmirch InQuest's methodology by comparison.

Bob Rossney
rbr@well.com