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I use firefox + adblock plus. Youtube videos don't play for me for a month now. Interestingly, I can play the video in incognito mode. Seems like they track per user account.
 
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Youtube (google, Alphabet) can do everithing outside EU. If US citizens and other countiries are OK whith that then OKAY, but peoples in EU are not! We do have laws that regulate this things. So alphabebet You should start obey thoes laws and you should STOP seding us your ADS.
 
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don't know what you are on about.
I use firefox with ublock, abp, disconnect and ghostery. Got some warnings (last warning 2 weeks ago that I need to disable adblockers and a count down, still videos played fine after). Been running fine for the past week with no warnings/count downs/slow downs at all. Brave also works with nothing added. I'm EU based if that matters at all.
 
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Here is a new twist. I have no ad blockers but for years I have had my youtube history turned off. About a month ago if I go to youtube I get a blank page that says , Being as you have your history turned off and we can't personize youtube so to correct this please go to setting and turn on history.

So yes all I get is a blank home page now from them.

I can manualy type what I'm looking for and still get there but really shows that home page you get to when you do www.youtube is not the same for anyone.

I get it, feed you things you might like but none of that home page that you see is standard. It's you bottled up and rearanged to sell for them. I get that as well but completely fake to someone else using your PC.

And here is a big kicker If i'm signed into my email it links me signed into youtube and I get the blank page. Leave my email open for a little while and YOUTUBE will sign me out of my mail and than youtube will again seem normal with content like before.

So for them to now play by the rules with my do not track history, that leads to them serving up personalized content.
They sign me out of my accounts to bypass the do not track history to feed me personalized content !!!!!!!!!
 
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Google makes most of its money off advertising... 80% in 2021. So wonder why they want to stop people using ad blockers? :)

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Where the above may well be the case, it is important to point out that even if you subscribe to the ad free experience, you MUST disable your ad blocker for the page to perform correctly.
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Even with no add ons turned on, I can't see anything under videos on Chrome
random example:
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So I use Firefox and even with a Premium sub it still messes with me there, but in a different way. Mainly by messing with recommended page but I am used to it now. I have experimented before by disabling all my add ons on FF and it still happens. Could be they want people to use Chromium as it won't let us block ads for much longer.
 
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Odd because I have several ad blockers installed in Firefox including an extension to block YT ads from even running and I have yet to encounter any of the issues mentioned in this post.

Edit: At least not yet so I will be keeping an eye on this. However even if it does occur I don't plan on disabling the ad blockers because YT is now at a point where the constant ads are too much.
 
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Adblock doesn't change the fact that YouTube videos are, in themselves, advertisements (that are also full of even more advertisements. ) YouTube in it's current form only seems to exist to answer the question "What if infomercials had pop-up ads?"

If YouTube's executives are so mad that they can't figure out how to make enough money off their monopoly on video, then they have a few options - All of which are much better ways to win back viewership (and by extension revenue) than all the unnecessary fights they keep picking with the customers (who also are the same people who have the burden of being the product, and the people making the product. )
Most of it involves giving the general non-corporates creators ANY incentive to make content that is actually worth watching.
  1. Decide once and for all whether or not YouTube is supposed to be social media, or streaming service. If the answer is streaming service, then start paying creators (who are your employees) up-front. You know, like how jobs work.
  2. Decide once and for all whether or not YouTube even needs to be profitable, or if it is a loss leader/provided service that exists to maintain a monopoly and lock customers into the Google ecosystem.
  3. If its decided YouTube should be social media, fix their worthless, obsolete recommendation algorithm so it better incentivizes creators to put effort into making good content.
  4. Reduce priority of features that only exist to consolidate and lock viewers into the top 0.02% of active channels - as these features wreck the recommendation algorithm by continually forcing people into content they are not interested in seeing. Additionally the unfairness in the system is too obvious, which just teaches the remaining 99.98% of creators that the platform is unfair, and therefore is bad. Angry/jaded ex-creators who realized they put a huge amount of work and creativity into content that never actually had a chance to be seen are not going to stick around to watch ads, and are much more likely to directing their free labor into creating value for competing
  5. Stop deliberately gamifying content creation in a pyramid-scheme F2P skinner box. Stop lying to people that starting a new channel is a viable way to make money. YT seems to have purposefully built themselves a content-mill treadmill, apparently designed to keep creators desperate. Contributing insane amounts of work just to make a number go up. I think its to make people addicted to the platform, but those gains were temporary. In it's current form it inevitably grooms creators to eventually start generating huge piles of low-effort garbage that will never get past ~30 views - before they eventually become angry and becoming open advocates against the platform. This is not a good path to long-term success, Also It costs a whole lot of money to host so much useless data.
  6. Stop shoving shorts down everybody's throat. The over emphasis on shorts isn't making YouTube competitive with Tik Tok, It's just annoying creators and making the experience way worse for people who want longer videos. By effectively forcing people to make Shorts, YT is just training smaller creators to jump ship to an app where it is far easier to make content, and far easier to find their niche and grow an audience.
  7. Give YouTube Premium to creators who are trying hard and making good content, for free. This is particularly important for creators who are large enough that YouTube runs mountains ads all over their content - but are not big enough (and probably will never be big enough) to get paid a meaningful amount of money, or even to control when the ads play. You would think this one would be the most obvious thing, but they've never even tried it. YouTube doesn't just expect free work; YT is increasingly expecting people to pay money to work for the company, which is bizarre.
  8. Do a much better job identifying and taking down spam content - Not spam comments because the controls on those are already way too strong - Spam creators, spam videos, blatant scams in paid-ads, stolen content, etc.
  9. Stop letting companies run ads over ads. For example a 3 minute movie trailer is an ad for a movie - ads like this should not be sandwiched between 4 ads, covered in banner/popup ads, and sometimes with an additional midroll ad. That's absurd. If YT wants ad revenue from movie trailers, then YT should instead directly charge the studio a hosting fee, and then play the trailer unmolested. The same goes for commercials from all industries.
  10. Make it far more obvious when a video is marked "sponsored content", and which part of the video is sponsored. For example, are the ad reads in the video the sponsored content, or the entire video? Because fully-sponsored videos often still have ad reads.
  11. Make significant effort to cut down on guerilla marketing / astroturf / affiliate commissions/ other current methods large companies use to covertly pose paid employees as influencers unaffiliated influencers, or to otherwise mask when content is sponsored and the nature of that sponsorship.
  12. Stop automatically deleting comments from videos that have comment moderation set to "off". As a creator I shouldn't have gotten people complaining their comments are being deleted when I'm not the one doing it (and I had no way of seeing what that comment even was). Those comments should at least be "held for review" section, a feature that never once actually held an unwanted comment for review.
  13. Add a PM system, or other ways for creators to directly talk to each other or their fans.
  14. Stop victim blaming failing creators for not doing enough "collabs" when your platform has no way whatsoever of facilitating collaboration - and very few community building tools in general.
  15. Fix the extremely broken value proposition of channel membership and supers. Automatically changing the color of some text is not enough work to entitle the platform to steal 30% of a direct donation to a creator, and it is not worth a $2 minimum to the viewer.
  16. Clean house on executive management - as they've been consistently losing money and clearly have no vision for the platform, nor any idea what they are even trying to do. YouTube has a lot wrong with it, because they're trying to be so many contradictory things at the same time right now. The scattershot approach is a clear lack of leadership.
  17. Alphabet can cut their losses and just write-off YouTube as a failed experiment. Sell the platform or just delete it from the internet. It might sting for a bit, but big channels have the resources to stand on their own feet - and everybody else will be better off in the long run by directing their time and effort toward other activities.
...I could probably spend all day adding to this list.
 
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This looks more like an interconnect bandwidth dispute between Google and major ISPs. I've been noticing degraded YouTube performance on an Android phone with the official YouTube app and no ad blockers as well as a desktop computer with uBlock. Remember when Comcast, Verizon, and TMobile degraded YouTube performance back in 2016 and 2017? The same sort of buffering issues and poor video quality appeared back then too. I wouldn't blame ad blockers or user error for YouTube's most recent issues.
 
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Youtube replaced tv for a lot of people - me about 10 years ago. Corporations can't compete against creators so easier to remove creators and turn Youtube into TV where we just get fed crap and ads we can't block.
Shame they killed off most of the other services we could go to see entertainment.
 
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Giroro said:
Most of it involves giving the general non-corporates creators ANY incentive to make content that is actually worth watching.
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The status quo is mostly fine for the content that I watch. I don't see why half of your ideas are needed. I also don't see why Youtube would be incentivized to make them work. For Youtube they want to maximize viewing time, not maximize viewers for any particular channel's content. Some series get cancelled in regular television. Some channels get "cancelled" by the algorithm on Youtube.
On 2, I don't use the rest of the Google ecosystem except at work. Youtube, by itself, does absolutely nothing to "lock customers into the Google ecosystem".
On 3, the algorithm isn't great but it isn't worthless.
On 4, I do get a lot of top recommendations, but also get more than a few recommendations of channels with <1000 subs. I don't know what your watching history prioritizes. For the creators, some sales effort may be needed in commenting on and referencing other channels, or just posting your creations on other social media when it is relevant (and not pure spam).
On 6, I would like shorts to more directly link to longer videos, and would also like it easier to maximize the shorts on desktop, but otherwise I think shorts are okay (I tend to not scroll the feed, though).
On 7, I don't understand how Youtube Premium would assist with the creation process as opposed to just being free viewing content for creators? I also think this would incentivize a lot of crap content (life hack! Upload junk content of your potted plant growing once a week for free Youtube Premium!).
On 8 through 16, these either seem like good or great ideas to me, or I don't know enough to say anything.
On 17, many of the channels I actively watch are relatively small. If Youtube disappeared they'd likely never be hosted, or would be hosted in such a distributed manner that I'd never find them again.
 
punkncat said:
Where the above may well be the case, it is important to point out that even if you subscribe to the ad free experience, you MUST disable your ad blocker for the page to perform correctly.
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i do have youtube premium, ublock is enabled in firefox, never had loading/buffering issues, before subscription, the only issue ive had was "are you still watching" nonsense
 
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