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No reason to spend all that much money at this point in time unless you really need a PC now. The next 5-6 months there will be new GPUs and the new gen of CPUs. If it was a cheaper build I'd say go with it, but going for highest tier possible, ain't worth it right now. Also I'd get a bigger...

It's not hitting 100w watching YouTube and stuff but it usually spikes to 65w with average of 45w. A 14900k shouldn't be drawing 30w, if use balanced power profile it should be sitting at below 10w. At complete idle it's sitting at single digits, like 2-3 watts

If that's what your data shows then your data is just flawed. Even the 12900k at 125w is faster than the 7950x at 65w. I have them all, I've actually tested them.

So you double down that the 7950x at 65w is faster than the 13900k at 125w. OK buddy

Only problem is, you are wrong. I've tested cbr23, at 65w power draw (PPT) the 7950x scores 22k, the 13900k at 125w scores 32k. If you think a 7950x at 65w is faster than a 13900k at 125w then you have no idea what you are talking about.

Wrong. First of all 105w tdp on amd parts means 140w actual power draw. Intel doesnt have 8 core chips at 170w tdp. Also it has nothing to do toh single core performance. Cpus don't draw 100s of watts at st workloads. They are sitting at 30-40 watts. Please, can be stop the anti intel...

You serious or what? Intel already has cpus out on the market (for 2 years nonetheless) that are faster than both the 6core and the 8core zen 5 part in MT performance. That's craaazy, amd really needs to up the core count. They been left in the dust in the mid range segment.

That's not how it works at all. Base clocks have nothing to do with TDP. Well - they do, but just because it's drawing 65w doesn't mean it's running at base clocks. I'm pretty sure even at 65w in most MT workloads it will be over 3ghz. Also boosting to 5.3 ghz doesn't mean it draws 219 watts either.

Get into the bios, press F7 for advanced mode, go to OC settings ---> Advanced CPU configuration and there should be an option called Temperature limit or something, choose your value and then save and exit

I wouldn't recommend XTU, the program is fine but it conflicts with any changes in the bios. If your problem is just the temperatures in heavy workloads then simply set a temperature limit in the bios, something like 85-90or whatever you feel comfortable with.

Where did I offer to fix anything? Im just explaining that whether you go for Intel or amd, you need to tune things into the bios. You could argue the same thing about his post but you didn't. My intel cpu doesn't run too warm and my mobo out of the box settings are perfect, so why is he...

What he is saying is subjective. I can claim my pentium 4 pc is super fast. Doesn't make it true. Objectively gaming performance takes a huge hit without XMP. He might be fine with the performance he is getting, but most people wouldn't, that's why people enable xmp, undervolt, overclock...

If your pc is bone stock without xmp on top of that then your pc is just mega slow, lol.

Although 80c in gaming is kinda a lot, it's not a problem whatsoever so...who cares?

Obviously. And it was done on purpose. I just find it very interesting that whenever someone does that with AMD they get called out, but nobody gets called out when doing that with Intel. This is something that psychology has to study, it's really not normal my man.

Oh, are you saying that the 7950x isn't inherently an inefficient CPU but it just has a way higher power limit than the 5950x?

I am comparing "stock" to "stock", since both setups are with XMP on. 3600 ram for the 5950x and 6000 for the 7950x.

Zen 4 was tooted as a huge efficiency increase over Zen 3. In reality the 5950x is 50% (!!!!) more efficient than the 7950x. Overpromise, underdeliver.

Right, because gnexus and hwunboxed don't already understand that's how you measure efficiency and that's how people are going to run their CPUs, they are waiting for me to tell them. As if there is a single person alive that buys a 14900ks to run blender for 10 hours a day without power...

That's because you choose to focus on these CPUs in order to be able to *hit on Intel. They have pre downclocked cpus as well, non k and T lineup. You ignore them so you can make your narrative.

Yeah, it can do 7200-7400 mhz. Have tested the pro A. Not sure about 64gb though, my tests were always with 2x16gb ram

The prevailing motivation is to "shit on Intel" full stop. Yeah nowadays it happens to be because of their power profiles on the fully unlocked and preoverclocked K cpus because that's all those popular tech tubers have. Before it was about the lack of MT performance (see how nobody talks about...

It's hard to get actual data since most reviews are focused on hitting 500 watts running blender since **itting on Intel drives more traffic, so if I ever wanna know I need to test it myself. But let's just say that I'd be shocked if the ks wasn't hitting 5.5 all core with considerable ease at...

Ah, don't know how to help with 64gb of ram. You can try setting trefi to 65535, you can probably also run them at 7000-32-40-40-28 at 1.435v, but that's assuming your mobo can run 7000mhz ram.

I'm addressing you both since you are kinda asking the same thing. I don't know what die they are using, as I've said previously I don't really care about server CPUs, but I'd assume. If they indeed use the same die - that's weird, cause those look more like salvaged parts rather than fully...

Well for starters, just run a CBR23 and show me the scores and temperatures. If your score is fine, there is nothing to really fix

Which ram kit do you have? Tuning the ram means tightening the subtimmings.

The raptorlake Xeons aren't using the desktop die man. They don't have ecores. It's not exactly the case with ASIC quality. It's way more complicated than that. Higher ASIC quality is the better overclocker - as long as extreme oc (ln2 etc.) are not into the mix..

You are wrong (do xeons even use the raptorlake die??) but it doesn't matter even if you aren't. Still the KS takes precedence over the K regardless of laptops and xeons. The fact that the KS is running at clockspeeds than not all 13900k and 14900k can achieve makes it super obvious that it is...

No, it doesn't cause damage. You can mitigate the noise by capping your framerate

Power limit throttling means your CPU hit the maximum power allowed in the bios, probably it's set at 240 watts I assume. EDP limit is the CPU hitting the maximum current limit allowed, again, that's configurable in the bios.

Step 1) Use HWINFO Step 2) Run XTU Step 3) Observe power draw and individual core temperatures. It might be that one of the cores is hitting 100c while the rest sit at 80C or whatever. If you are thermal throttling while pulling 220watts or more that's kinda normal. A bit on the high side but...

Im using a u12a on my 12900k - I've even used in on a 13900k, no problem whatsoever. If you are hitting 85C - especially in gaming, something is really wrong there. IHS bend maybe? If you have a high end GPU and not a good case for airflow it might be that your case airflow is the probably...

Yes, better silicon quality, which is the same thing as binning. I don't have to trust Intel that the 14900ks is binned, it is binned. All cpus are getting binned, that's how you get cpus down the stack (14700, F series with no igpus etc). For the 14900ks to not have better silicon quality than...

If you wanna boost gaming performance you tune your ram, overclocking the cpu is a waste of time. Turn off HT, bump the cache frequency and tune the ram. You can get an extra 15-20% more gaming performance while consuming half the power. Examples Stock + XMP HT OFF + Tuned ram After...

It's not hard to increase your perceived efficiency. They can launch their new cpus with 150w power limits and boom, they'll get double the efficiency. Heck, they can re-release their 14900 with a 150w power limit and boom, marvelous efficiency. The hard part is to increase actual efficiency...

Any chance you scratched the motherboard? Check the lanes on the PCB around the B2 slot.

Better battery life, sure. There is no way that x86 can get anywhere near arm in terms of battery life - especially with windows being the way they are. Ain't happening.

Well I know empirically (because I've used them) that a 13900k and a 14900k cannot clock to 5.9 ghz that is the stock all core of a KS. Or to phrase it better, some 13900k and 14900k that are godly binned can, but a lot of them cannot. So on average the binning on the 14900ks is better, just...

I hope you watched the video though. If you did - why do you think amd hates the planet so much? :D