Question 1000Hz vs 8000Hz

[axlrose]

I am looking at a Razr DAV3 and there seem to be these two options for about the same price. Can anyone help me with what this 1000 vs 8000 means? The 1000 is available for about 50 bucks less on sale right now. I am not in need of a pro grade mouse, but like the feel of the DAV3 in my hand. I am thinking $100 for the 1000 version could be a good gift, but I don't know what I'm missing without the 8000. Thanks.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

are you sure it is Hz and not DPI that is described in the specifications?

Can anyone help me with what this 1000 vs 8000 means?

if it is related to reported polling rate,
a rate of 1000 is fine for gaming.

if is referring to dpi rather than Hz, then 1000 will be pretty slow.

my G600 goes up to 8200 dpi and that is too fast for me.
can store 3 options to switch between;
i keep it max 6000,
normal usage 2400(gaming, browsing),
for image editing/etc 800.

1000Hz vs 8000Hz

if it is referring to available wireless connection speed then that is a totally different reference.

you may want to go to a local store(computer shop, Best Buy, etc) and see if they have any on display you can try out and see how either option may affect you personally.

 

[Paperdoc]

Reading the Razr web page specs shows both models have a max Resolution of 30,000 dpi. That's the smallest movement it can report.
The 1000 versus 8000 item is the MAX POLLING RATE - that is, the speed of communicating the mouse position data to your computer. This is important to some gamers for response speed, and can be set slower for some activities like graphics editing.

 

[axlrose]

Reading the Razr web page specs shows both models have a max Resolution of 30,000 dpi. That's the smallest movement it can report.
The 1000 versus 8000 item is the MAX POLLING RATE - that is, the speed of communicating the mouse position data to your computer. This is important to some gamers for response speed, and can be set slower for some activities like graphics editing.

Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro Gaming Mouse: 63g Ultra Lightweight - Focus Pro 30K Optical Sensor - Fast Optical Switches Gen-3 - HyperSpeed Wireless - 5 Programmable Buttons - 90 Hr Battery - Black https://a.co/d/9ffow5G

Above link shows the two options. I didn't realize until just now when rolling my cursor over the two options, the 8000Hz has an extra cable and a small brick? What are those? I definitely want wireless, so is the 8000Hz not an option then if it has to be wired to be of use?

Also, I know we are only a month away from Black Friday deals, but should I expect the DAV3 1000Hz model to get any more than 33% off? Wondering if that's already a pretty sweet deal and I should just pull the trigger on it?

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

when rolling my cursor over the two options, the 8000Hz has an extra cable and a small brick? What are those?

look up the model support page(s) on Razer's own site.
it will show more clearly if the mouse is wireless or not.

any extra cable/brick included could be for wired charging and/or for optional USB wired use.

 

[BFG-9000]

The 30k dpi Razr DAV3 is not on the list of mice compatible with the Razer 8000 Hz HyperPolling Wireless Dongle. The 26k dpi DeathAdder V3 HyperSpeed variant is.

I'm not sure why you'd want to pollute the RF environment with 8000 packets per second (every 0.125ms) anyway, but at least it's Razer's own RF so might work, unlike Bluetooth with 34ms average latency (which means they'd have to wait and send 272 packets all at once after you move the mouse)

 

[axlrose]

DAV3]https://a.co/d/65sH6cV']DAV3 pro with 8000Hz[/URL]

Now I'm more confused than I was before starting the post. So no idea what this cable and brick are? And it doesn't exist in 8000Hz but is being sold with it?

 

[Paperdoc]

I am NOT a gamer, so this is an uneducated opinion, I guess. The main difference I can see is that the 8000 mode communicates its info to your computer 8 x faster. I suspect that may be significant if you want the ultimate, or really are an expert gamer at high competitive level. If you do not consider yourself at that level to need that extra edge in performance, you may choose not to use that option. But NOTE that the web pages for the Pro and non-Pro models say that BOTH have the same resolution and data rate specs (three rate options from 1000 to 8000).

However, you have caught a real difference in hardware. The more expensive PRO model IS battery-powered, with a battery life of UP TO 17 hours in 8000 mode, or 90 hours in 1000 mode. The non-Pro model is wired only - NO battery - which you say us important to you, but costs about half of the Pro model. I won't speculate on Black Friday deals.

 

[BFG-9000]

While it's not on that list, apparently both DAV3 Pro and the cheaper DAV3 HyperSpeed are compatible with the HyperPolling dongle for wireless 8000Hz. Neither comes with that (though there is a V3 Pro + Dongle bundle set), so out-of-the-box the 8000Hz polling only works over the USB cable until you buy the dongle separately.
These list 90hrs battery life at 1000Hz wireless, but only 17hrs at 8000.

The plain DAV3 is wired-only which explains why it's so much cheaper. It has 8000Hz over USB cable but is not compatible with any wireless dongle.

 

[JohnBonhamsGhost]

I'm more confused than I was

like i stated previously,
go to any local large electronics store(Best Buy, Micro Center, local shops, etc) that carries computer hardware and has products out on display
and try whatever they may have available.

you have no idea what aspects of a mouse really pertain to your idea of a good product until you've actually experienced the differences and found something that feels right for you.
then you know what to search for and what is a priority for your own use.

just going by what is advertised or what other users may suggest usually leads to wasted money and/or buyer's remorse down the road.

 

[axlrose]

like i stated previously,
go to any local large electronics store(Best Buy, Micro Center, local shops, etc) that carries computer hardware and has products out on display
and try whatever they may have available.

you have no idea what aspects of a mouse really pertain to your idea of a good product until you've actually experienced the differences and found something that feels right for you.
then you know what to search for and what is a priority for your own use.

just going by what is advertised or what other users may suggest usually leads to wasted money and/or buyer's remorse down the road.

Yep did that months ago. That's how I ended up with the DAV3 PRO fitting my hand better than anything else out on display, but I can't figure out the difference between the $149 DAV3 Pro and the $159 DAV3 Pro. I have a post on the Razer forums, but no answers there either.

 

[axlrose]

Yep did that months ago. That's how I ended up with the DAV3 PRO fitting my hand better than anything else out on display, but I can't figure out the difference between the $149 DAV3 Pro and the $159 DAV3 Pro. I have a post on the Razer forums, but no answers there either.

Asked the same question at Micro Center. They recommended I go with the $149 version, but didn't have a reason why necessarily. When I mentioned it was out of stock at their store, they said, get the $159 version then.

 

[USAFRet]

Not promoting either way, but read this:
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing...te-gaming-mouse-im-not-wasting-my-money-again

 

[BFG-9000]

Isn't buying a mouse for someone as a gift kind of like buying them shoes? Everyone has different preferences and tastes, and no fancy specs will change that.

I certainly wouldn't be too pleased to get a Razer mouse, already having the original glitchy and fragile Kärna Razer BoomSlang ball mouse with terrible drivers that caused the company to go bankrupt. It was the first mouse marketed as a "gaming mouse" but clearly inferior to the optical IntelliMouse Explorer from the same year which low-sens gamers still hoard and use today... despite the Razer boasting way better specs.

Razer themselves claim to be a "lifestyle brand" like Apple to justify their overpriced wares, a true marketing breakthrough. Thing is, true luxury brands such as Apple or Rolls Royce (who for decades merely quoted horsepower as "sufficient," or "adequate") do not hype specs. Only the cheap brands do.

Will you really notice 8000Hz (0.125ms) over 1000Hz (1ms) if the fastest tested LCD has 8.4ms input lag? If you can tell the difference, why aren't you using a CRT? Or for that matter a wired mouse? Sometimes specs are just for marketing to the gullible.

 

[Paperdoc]

OP, you said, "I can't figure out the difference between the $149 DAV3 Pro and the $159 DAV3 Pro." I PRESUME that was a typo and the FIRST model you meant was the NOT PRO one. Currently on Amazon the prices are not exactly that and both have reduced prices, but there is a significant difference.

You also posted earlier, "I definitely want wireless".

Both BFG-9000 and I posted more recently that the difference that MATTERS to you is that the more expensive PRO model IS battery-powered and wireless. (You have the option to use it connected by cable, too.) The non-PRO model is NOT wireless, you MUST connect by cable. There is NO difference between those two on the Polling Rate options (three options from 1000 to 8000 Hz) or on the resolution. There is the small note that the playing time when using the wireless mode with the PRO model is much shorter at the highest Polling Rate (understandable since that uses more power for more work) but still reasonable.

 

[BFG-9000]

OP mentioned Microcenter where the $149 model is RZ01-04630100-R and the $159 model is RZ01-04630300-R. They both are DAV3 Pro and have wireless HyperSpeed dongle (not 8k HyperPolling) but are different sku and UPC.

Both are stocked in-store but OP says one isn't in their store so only Razer would know the difference--maybe the only difference is newer artwork on the box or software or drivers. My Razer came in a tin can while later ones used only a cardboard box so had a different sku.

 

[axlrose]

Isn't buying a mouse for someone as a gift kind of like buying them shoes? Everyone has different preferences and tastes, and no fancy specs will change that.

I certainly wouldn't be too pleased to get a Razer mouse, already having the original glitchy and fragile Kärna Razer BoomSlang ball mouse with terrible drivers that caused the company to go bankrupt. It was the first mouse marketed as a "gaming mouse" but clearly inferior to the optical IntelliMouse Explorer from the same year which low-sens gamers still hoard and use today... despite the Razer boasting way better specs.

Razer themselves claim to be a "lifestyle brand" like Apple to justify their overpriced wares, a true marketing breakthrough. Thing is, true luxury brands such as Apple or Rolls Royce (who for decades merely quoted horsepower as "sufficient," or "adequate") do not hype specs. Only the cheap brands do.

Will you really notice 8000Hz (0.125ms) over 1000Hz (1ms) if the fastest tested LCD has 8.4ms input lag? If you can tell the difference, why aren't you using a CRT? Or for that matter a wired mouse? Sometimes specs are just for marketing to the gullible.

If that is the only difference between the mice, then it would be worth the ten dollar difference though right?

The gift is for myself. My parents like to buy us presents for Christmas, but ask for ideas.

 

[axlrose]

Best Buy

Went ahead with this one. Hoping it is a DAV3 Pro and wireless. It will be nicer than my broken old mouse either way. Thanks for your help.