1080 vs 1080ti

[yuvalpapo]

Hi! I would like to ask two questions.
I currently have a Gtx 1080 with an i5 6500. I would like to know if there is any reason to upgrade from my 1080 to a Ti?
And will a Gtx 1080Ti will bottleneck an i5 6500.

Thanks a lot!

 

[fedefury]

The gtx 1080ti first of all has a higher amount of vram. To see specifics go to this website:http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-1080

 

[yuvalpapo]

Thanks for the answer! I know the pure specs on the card my question is will I see a major difference if I'll upgrade from a 1080 to a Ti.

 

[sizzling]

Maybe worth it if you game at 4k 60Hz and cash isn't much of an issue. The Ti gives about 30% more fps. What res & Hz are you gaming at?

 

[yuvalpapo]

I'm currently playing at 1440. And some games like GTA V and Ghost recon wildlands drop frames. I never know whether it's optimization or my card not keeping up.

 

[sizzling]

What fps & Hz? If high fps >100 Id expect your CPU may be limiting performance. What's your cpu usage when these drops happen?

At 1440p I don't think the 1080Ti is worth it even if you run a high Hz monitor. You would really want an overclocked cpu to help push the high fps, a 7700k would be perfect.

 

[yuvalpapo]

What fps & Hz? If high fps >100 Id expect your CPU may be limiting performance. What's your cpu usage when these drops happen?

I'm playing at 1440 at 60fps. I have never really looked at CPU usage when the drops happen.

 

[sizzling]

Use something like MSI Afterburner to monitor gpu & CPU usage to work out what is the limiting factors. If you only have a 1440p 60Hz then there is zero benefit of getting a Ti

 

[yuvalpapo]

Use something like MSI Afterburner to monitor gpu & CPU usage to work out what is the limiting factors. If you only have a 1440p 60Hz then there is zero benefit of getting a Ti

Thanks for your answers! Why is there zero benefit if I'm gaming at 1440@60fps?

 

[fedefury]

its because your cpu can't keep up and therefore performance might be affected

 

[sizzling]

Because 1440p @ 60Hz a 1080 should be pushing 60+ fps at 1440p in all games. You can only display 60 frames on a 60Hz screen, going higher fps just causes screen tearing.

 

[yuvalpapo]

Because a 1080 should be pushing 60+ fps at 1440p in all games. You can only display 60 frames on a 60Hz screen, going higher fps just causes screen tearing.

So the reason I'm dropping frames can be my CPU? And by upgrading it instead of the card I can get solid 60 on games without drops?
Thanks!

 

[sizzling]

Because a 1080 should be pushing 60+ fps at 1440p in all games. You can only display 60 frames on a 60Hz screen, going higher fps just causes screen tearing.

So the reason I'm dropping frames can be my CPU? And by upgrading it instead of the card I can get solid 60 on games without drops?
Thanks!

I might be, monitor cpu & gpu usage to be sure what the cause is

 

[yuvalpapo]

Because a 1080 should be pushing 60+ fps at 1440p in all games. You can only display 60 frames on a 60Hz screen, going higher fps just causes screen tearing.

So the reason I'm dropping frames can be my CPU? And by upgrading it instead of the card I can get solid 60 on games without drops?
Thanks!

I might be, monitor cpu & gpu usage to be sure what the cause is

If my CPU is on high usage it means that it's the factor that's limiting pushing 60 fps?

 

[sizzling]

Yes but you need to look at individual cores as well as total CPU usage. Some games use all 4 cores but some don't. If a game that only uses 2 cores is maxing out 2 cores it still your CPU even though total usage is well under 100%

 

[yuvalpapo]

Yes but you need to look at individual cores as well as total CPU usage. Some games use all 4 cores but some don't. If a game that only uses 2 cores is maxing out 2 cores it still your CPU even though total usage is well under 100%

I see. And one more question. We already agreed that I do not need the 1080Ti What kind of processor do I need if I decide to upgrade? An i5 i7?
Thanks a lot for the help man!

 

[dewjustin]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

 

[sizzling]

Yes but you need to look at individual cores as well as total CPU usage. Some games use all 4 cores but some don't. If a game that only uses 2 cores is maxing out 2 cores it still your CPU even though total usage is well under 100%

I see. And one more question. We already agreed that I do not need the 1080Ti What kind of processor do I need if I decide to upgrade? An i5 i7?
Thanks a lot for the help man!

Please monitor usage and prove its CPU first.

What motherboard, cooler and PSU do you have?

 

[yuvalpapo]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

I've noticed a lot of threads saying that a lot of modern games don't use the hyper threading that i7's offer. Is that correct?

 

[sizzling]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

I've noticed a lot of threads saying that a lot of modern games don't use the hyper threading that i7's offer. Is that correct?

It used to be the case but in high fps (>100 fps) quite a few modern games are starting to benefit from an i7. At 60Hz/FPS there is nothing material between an i5 and its equivalent i7. What helps more is an overclocked i5 or i7 but I am surprised your 6500 dipping under 60 fps. You really need to check.

However, when a 6500 is using all 4 cores I think it only boosts to 3.4Ghz. The 6600k can usually easily be OC'd to 4.4Ghz, so that's an extra 29% all games can use. Only some games can benefit from an i7 in high fps setups

 

[yuvalpapo]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

I've noticed a lot of threads saying that a lot of modern games don't use the hyper threading that i7's offer. Is that correct?

It used to be the case but in high fps (>100 fps) quite a few modern games are starting to benefit from an i7. At 60Hz/FPS there is nothing material between an i5 and its equivalent i7. What helps more is an overclocked i5 or i7 but I am surprised your 6500 dipping under 60 fps. You really need to check.

However, when a 6500 is using all 4 cores I think it only boosts to 3.4Ghz. The 6600k can usually easily be OC'd to 4.4Ghz, so that's an extra 29% all games can use. Only some games can benefit from an i7 in high fps setups

So in my case gaming at 60fps I will benefit more from an i5 k series than an i7?

 

[sizzling]

See these examples, only high fps gaming really benefits from an i7

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2673-battlefield-1-cpu-benchmark-dx11-vs-dx12-i5-i7-fx/page-2
http://www.techspot.com/review/1089-fallout-4-benchmarks/page5.html

 

[sizzling]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

I've noticed a lot of threads saying that a lot of modern games don't use the hyper threading that i7's offer. Is that correct?

It used to be the case but in high fps (>100 fps) quite a few modern games are starting to benefit from an i7. At 60Hz/FPS there is nothing material between an i5 and its equivalent i7. What helps more is an overclocked i5 or i7 but I am surprised your 6500 dipping under 60 fps. You really need to check.

However, when a 6500 is using all 4 cores I think it only boosts to 3.4Ghz. The 6600k can usually easily be OC'd to 4.4Ghz, so that's an extra 29% all games can use. Only some games can benefit from an i7 in high fps setups

So in my case gaming at 60fps I will benefit more from an i5 k series than an i7?

Id expect so but please prove its your CPU first, at 60fps I am surprised you see drops under 60. If it is your CPU a K CPU is going to need a Z170 or Z270 motherboard, decent cooler and good quality PSU before you try any overclocking.

 

[yuvalpapo]

I7 ideally if your cpu is pegged at 100% in certain games, which it sounds like it probably is with the fps drops. 6700k/7700k sounds like a good bet for the best improvement your case.

I've noticed a lot of threads saying that a lot of modern games don't use the hyper threading that i7's offer. Is that correct?

It used to be the case but in high fps (>100 fps) quite a few modern games are starting to benefit from an i7. At 60Hz/FPS there is nothing material between an i5 and its equivalent i7. What helps more is an overclocked i5 or i7 but I am surprised your 6500 dipping under 60 fps. You really need to check.

However, when a 6500 is using all 4 cores I think it only boosts to 3.4Ghz. The 6600k can usually easily be OC'd to 4.4Ghz, so that's an extra 29% all games can use. Only some games can benefit from an i7 in high fps setups

So in my case gaming at 60fps I will benefit more from an i5 k series than an i7?

Id expect so but please prove its your CPU first, at 60fps I am surprised you see drops under 60. If it is your CPU a K CPU is going to need a Z170 or Z270 motherboard, decent cooler and good quality PSU before you try any overclocking.

I looked at my cores % usage and saw this in GTA V and Ghost Recon wildlands.
In GTA sometimes my CPU maxes to 100% and when it's not maxed it hovers between 80-100%
In Ghost recon also sometimes maxes but not all of the time.
My hard disk is at 100%

Does it mean my CPU is my problem or maybe even my hard disk?
Also does my GPU needs to be maxed most of the time while the CPU is low on % or high % like 80-100 is natural?

 

[sizzling]

Could be HDD, it shouldn't be at 100%. How much RAM do you have and what is its usage?