2400G vs 2200G

[icutthraot_tc]

So, I consider buying one of these two CPUs mentioned in the title. So the 2200G is $99 MSRP and the 2400G is $169 MSRP. Do you recommend buying the 2400G over the 2200G for $70 difference ? Also, I'll use the PC mostly for gaming. Answers will be very much appreciated !

THANK YOU ALL

 

[Evvvvv]

So, I consider buying one of these two CPUs mentioned in the title. So the 2200G is $99 MSRP and the 2400G is $169 MSRP. Do you recommend buying the 2400G over the 2200G for $70 difference ? Also, I'll use the PC mostly for gaming. Answers will be very much appreciated !

THANK YOU ALL

Go for it if you can afford. But even 2200G will be good for gaming, its just 2400G is slightly better and it has more threads so if you want to edit or something, 2400G is a way to go

 

[Shektron]

If you're only gaming, and not making any major sacrifices to go with the 2400G, I would say go with it. The extra performance of the GPU definitely makes a difference, and the extra [strike]cores[/strike] threads might make a difference in the future.

 

[photonboy]

1) first, you need to spend more on DDR4 memory to not bottleneck the iGPU to much (i.e. 2x4GB 3200MHz CL16) and make sure the memory you get is supported by the motherboard at that speed.

Newer X470 boards are more compatible with DDR4 memory but may cost more.

2) games compared:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCD5JwdpKh0

Note slower memory would cause the performance to be much CLOSER due to memory (thus CPU) bottleneck.

3) VRAM is achieved by using some of system memory so if you assign 2GB (of 8GB) you have 6GB left for Windows + the game.

4) R3-2200G would leave $70 for a graphics card which isn't very much, plus I'd rather see the extra threads in the CPU of the R5-2400G

So...
My recommendation without knowing TOTAL BUDGET would be get the R5-2400G, possibly an X470 motherboard, a 2x4GB 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 memory kit (or close), then OVERCLOCK as best as possible then later on get a better graphics card.

*Make sure the CHIPSET supports overclocking. It can make quite a big difference.

 

[icutthraot_tc]

1) first, you need to spend more on DDR4 memory to not bottleneck the iGPU to much (i.e. 2x4GB 3200MHz CL16) and make sure the memory you get is supported by the motherboard at that speed.

Newer X470 boards are more compatible with DDR4 memory but may cost more.

2) games compared:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCD5JwdpKh0

Note slower memory would cause the performance to be much CLOSER due to memory (thus CPU) bottleneck.

3) VRAM is achieved by using some of system memory so if you assign 2GB (of 8GB) you have 6GB left for Windows + the game.

4) R3-2200G would leave $70 for a graphics card which isn't very much, plus I'd rather see the extra threads in the CPU of the R5-2400G

So...
My recommendation without knowing TOTAL BUDGET would be get the R5-2400G, possibly an X470 motherboard, a 2x4GB 3200MHz DDR4 CL16 memory kit (or close), then OVERCLOCK as best as possible then later on get a better graphics card.

*Make sure the CHIPSET supports overclocking. It can make quite a big difference.

But, if my budget is around $450 should I consider buying the 2400G ? and also the is no much deifference between the chips
Thanks

 

[Shektron]

Yes you can consider it:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($61.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $458.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 00:08 EDT-0400

If you don't want an SSD, you could go with a better motherboard and faster dual-channel RAM, will help in performance. But the impact of SSD's is so much more noticeable. It's your choice.

 

[icutthraot_tc]

Yes you can consider it:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($61.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team - Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $458.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 00:08 EDT-0400

If you don't want an SSD, you could go with a better motherboard and faster dual-channel RAM, will help in performance. But the impact of SSD's is so much more noticeable. It's your choice.

I think that the faster dual channel RAM will be worth the money instead of the SSD. Thank you though

 

[jr9]

Ryzen APU builds run poorly in single channel mode as well as lower speed RAM. Choosing low speed RAM has a profound impact on FPS with this APU.

I really recommend getting the 2400G. It's not just CPU power but it has more GPU power as well. Considerably more. You also really want a motherboard that supports the 2400G out of the box guaranteed.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $480.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 18:46 EDT-0400

OS not included. Also an SSD a good thing to have these days.

 

[Shektron]

Ryzen APU builds run poorly in single channel mode as well as lower speed RAM. Choosing low speed RAM has a profound impact on FPS with this APU.

I really recommend getting the 2400G. It's not just CPU power but it has more GPU power as well. Considerably more. You also really want a motherboard that supports the 2400G out of the box guaranteed.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $480.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 18:46 EDT-0400

OS not included. Also an SSD a good thing to have these days.

Power supply's a bit overkill, and does the X370 motherboard guarantee support for 2nd gen processors? I know the X470's do.

As for the memory, dual channel it is then. But if you can still squeeze an SSD into it, you'll really notice a difference.

 

[jr9]

It's good to go a little bit higher on the PSU IMO in quality and wattage. I do for every build I do. If you ever wanted to add a GPU down the road when things are not so crazy you would not be having to rewire the entire PC in addition to buying an new PSU. That and a quality PSU will run the entire life span of the PC especially if it's not running at high load all the time.

That board does support 2000 series with no BIOS flash required and it's awesome. The motherboard maker updated the BIOS for those particular boards and it says it on the Newegg page. I've done two builds with that board at it accepted both the 2200G and 2400G out of the box. As much as X470 board would be nicer the prices still need to come down and stabilize for it to be worth doing an APU build with. Still very new.

Definitely want an SSD in 2018 even for a budget build you could get even a lower capacity one just for the OS and programs. Kingston ones are pretty cheap and the games/documents could go in the HDD.

 

[icutthraot_tc]

Ryzen APU builds run poorly in single channel mode as well as lower speed RAM. Choosing low speed RAM has a profound impact on FPS with this APU.

I really recommend getting the 2400G. It's not just CPU power but it has more GPU power as well. Considerably more. You also really want a motherboard that supports the 2400G out of the box guaranteed.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($162.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($103.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.85 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cougar - MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $480.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-25 18:46 EDT-0400

OS not included. Also an SSD a good thing to have these days.

That's a good build but in the other answer you said that I should buy a higher-wattage PSU. Thank you though!

 

[jr9]

A 450W covers you if you wanted to add a video card later as it gives you about 200W of headroom. That is as much as you ever would need. If you don't then the extra wattage is good and the PSU will last longer. If you wanted to spend less on the PSU a 400-450W bronze unit would work too. You could add a large card and it would run. I mention this again because the APU graphics processor is only about as strong as a GT 1030 which is an very budget graphics card so the range of games that run well on it would be limited to lighter games like League or Fortnite. Many people buying this APU are using is as a crutch until graphics card prices come down. For a gaming machine though the APU is no replacement for a GPU.

 

[icutthraot_tc]

A 450W covers you if you wanted to add a video card later as it gives you about 200W of headroom. That is as much as you ever would need. If you don't then the extra wattage is good and the PSU will last longer. If you wanted to spend less on the PSU a 400-450W bronze unit would work too. You could add a large card and it would run. I mention this again because the APU graphics processor is only about as strong as a GT 1030 which is an very budget graphics card so the range of games that run well on it would be limited to lighter games like League or Fortnite. Many people buying this APU are using is as a crutch until graphics card prices come down. For a gaming machine though the APU is no replacement for a GPU.

Yeah, I understand. But I think that 500W is better for the future. I agree with you. THANK YOU